Re: [Talk-us] SOTM US schedule

[Mike Thompson]

Martijn,

Thanks!

Mike

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:

> The last event should wrap up around 4pm. A final schedule should be up
> today or tomorrow. Apologies for the delay!
> Martijn
>
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 12:27 PM Mike Thompson 
> wrote:
>
>> Clifford,
>>
>> I am also looking at my flights, any idea when the last even on Monday
>> will be scheduled?
>>
>> Thanks for all you and other folks in Seattle are doing to put the
>> conference together.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 2:51 PM, Clifford Snow 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Katie,
>>> We should have the workshop schedule up shortly. We have 11 different
>>> workshop planned for Monday as well as code sprints. Additionally Maptime
>>> is planning workshops for Monday as well.
>>>
>>> Clifford
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Katie Filbert 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm thinking about attending SOTM US and looking at possible flights.

 SOTM website says the conference is July 23-July 25, but the program
 only has July 23 and 24.

 http://stateofthemap.us/program/

 Is there some program for July 25, such as hackathon or something?

 Cheers,
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Re: [Talk-us] SOTM US schedule

[Mike Thompson]

Clifford,

I am also looking at my flights, any idea when the last even on Monday will
be scheduled?

Thanks for all you and other folks in Seattle are doing to put the
conference together.

Mike

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 2:51 PM, Clifford Snow 
wrote:

> Katie,
> We should have the workshop schedule up shortly. We have 11 different
> workshop planned for Monday as well as code sprints. Additionally Maptime
> is planning workshops for Monday as well.
>
> Clifford
>
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Katie Filbert  wrote:
>
>> I'm thinking about attending SOTM US and looking at possible flights.
>>
>> SOTM website says the conference is July 23-July 25, but the program only
>> has July 23 and 24.
>>
>> http://stateofthemap.us/program/
>>
>> Is there some program for July 25, such as hackathon or something?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Katie
>>
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Re: [Talk-us] SOTM US schedule

[Clifford Snow]

Katie,
We should have the workshop schedule up shortly. We have 11 different
workshop planned for Monday as well as code sprints. Additionally Maptime
is planning workshops for Monday as well.

Clifford

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Katie Filbert  wrote:

> I'm thinking about attending SOTM US and looking at possible flights.
>
> SOTM website says the conference is July 23-July 25, but the program only
> has July 23 and 24.
>
> http://stateofthemap.us/program/
>
> Is there some program for July 25, such as hackathon or something?
>
> Cheers,
> Katie
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[Talk-us] SOTM US schedule

[Katie Filbert]

I'm thinking about attending SOTM US and looking at possible flights.

SOTM website says the conference is July 23-July 25, but the program only
has July 23 and 24.

http://stateofthemap.us/program/

Is there some program for July 25, such as hackathon or something?

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[Talk-us] SOTM US Early Bird Special

[Clifford Snow]

Just in case you didn't realize that US State of the Map Early Bird
conference discount ends this Sunday, April 10th. Be sure to register to
take advantage of the early bird special. Just point your browser to
http://stateofthemap.us and click on Early Bird half way down the page.

Looking forward to seeing everyone in Seattle this Summer.

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[Talk-us] SOTM-US Scholarships

[Clifford Snow]

OpenStreetMap US Blog post on Apr 02 2016 by Alex Barth and Arielle
Simmons-Steffen
Our annual State of the Map US [1] conference is about many things, but one
of the most important things it is about is building community. In fact,
that's why it is our theme for this year's conference! Increasing community
participation starts with increasing accessibility, and that is why this
year we are working hard to increase our scholarship offerings and decrease
participation costs for all of those are interested in attending. So if you
are interested in hanging out in Seattle from July 23rd to 25th - keep
reading, because we have some great plans on how to make it happen for you.

Apply for a Scholarship

Who doesn't love free money? If you’re contributing to the OpenStreetMap
community – whether that’s by organizing meetups, making maps, adding data,
writing code or documentation, or something else – and financial help will
make the difference in whether you can come to State of the Map US, apply
for a scholarship! No matter where you live, what your interests, or how
long you have been involved: we welcome your application.

What type of scholarships are we offering?

Travel stipend + accommodation : This scholarship covers a $300 travel
stipend and four nights of accommodation at Seattle University (nights:
22nd, 23rd, 24th, 25th of July).

50 % of funds reserved just for female scholars

Female participation at State of the Map US has increased steadily from
12.5 % in Portland 2012 to 30 % at last year's conference at the United
Nations in New York. We still have a long way to go friends, so this year
we're again dedicating 50 % of the scholarship program to female applicants!

Everyone has a chance

In the OpenStreetMap community - there is room for us all! Diversity means
everyone, and we don't want a single person to miss out on this exciting
event. So please consider joining us. It takes millions of edits to make
OpenStreetMap a resource for us all, but it only takes you to make our
community unique and special.

We value every member, and look forward to receiving your application!

Deadline: April 24th 2016

Apply for a Scholarship [2] to State of the Map US.

[1] http://stateofthemap.us
[2] https://goo.gl/jSv5Vi
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[Talk-us] SOTM-US - Great Videos!

[Mike N]

I couldn't make it to SOTM-US because of time constraints, but wanted to 
thank the sponsors and all who made the great videos!


http://stateofthemap.us/program/

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[Talk-us] SOTM US venue

[Richard Welty]

so the UN complex is pretty big; from 42nd street
north to 48th street. where within this complex
will we find SOTM US?

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Re: [Talk-us] SOTM US venue

[alyssa wright]

There will be volunteers leading attendees to the conference area. There
will also be a map in the program. We will be in conference room 1, 2 and 3
on the first floor, some additional caucus rooms for the BoFs and the
North Lawn building for lunch.

Hope that helps!
Alyssa.

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 so the UN complex is pretty big; from 42nd street
 north to 48th street. where within this complex
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Re: [Talk-us] SOTM US venue

[Richard Welty]

On 5/24/15 6:04 PM, alyssa wright wrote:
 There will be volunteers leading attendees to the conference area.
 There will also be a map in the program. We will be in conference room
 1, 2 and 3 on the first floor, some additional caucus rooms for the
 BoFs and the North Lawn building for lunch. 

 Hope that helps!

it will help once we find the volunteers, but it'd be nice to know
which street to expect to find them at. as i said, it's a big place.

what should we expect for security? regular visitors have to go
through some processes, i see. should we allow for time from
arrival to getting to the actual conference registration site?

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Re: [Talk-us] SOTM US venue

[alyssa wright]

We'll be sending out an email with instructions to all who have registered
for the conference. Stay tuned.

Best,
Alyssa.

On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 6:16 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net
wrote:

  On 5/24/15 6:04 PM, alyssa wright wrote:

 There will be volunteers leading attendees to the conference area. There
 will also be a map in the program. We will be in conference room 1, 2 and 3
 on the first floor, some additional caucus rooms for the BoFs and the
 North Lawn building for lunch.

  Hope that helps!

  it will help once we find the volunteers, but it'd be nice to know
 which street to expect to find them at. as i said, it's a big place.

 what should we expect for security? regular visitors have to go
 through some processes, i see. should we allow for time from
 arrival to getting to the actual conference registration site?

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[Talk-us] SotM-us 2015

[Richard Weait]

I see that the call for venues for SotM-us 2015 closed two weeks ago,
but I don't see any bids.  Are the bids private?  Was the call
extended?

Best regards and happy mapping,

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Re: [Talk-us] SotM-us 2015

[Alex Barth]

Richard -

The bids were submitted private. As soon as the board will reconstitute
after the elections we'll take a decision on the next location for State of
the Map US. FWIW, I personally don't see a reason to not share the
submissions together with the board decision, but I'd love to get the
permission from the submitters and my board colleague's approval for this.

Cheers -

Alex


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 I see that the call for venues for SotM-us 2015 closed two weeks ago,
 but I don't see any bids.  Are the bids private?  Was the call
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Re: [Talk-us] SotM-us 2015

[Richard Weait]

On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 6:21 PM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote:
 Richard -

 The bids were submitted private. As soon as the board will reconstitute
 after the elections we'll take a decision on the next location for State of
 the Map US. FWIW, I personally don't see a reason to not share the
 submissions together with the board decision, but I'd love to get the
 permission from the submitters and my board colleague's approval for this.

Cool.  Looking forward to it!

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[Talk-us] SOTM-US room/ride sharing

[Paul Norman]

For those who don't know, there's a place on
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_U.S._2014 for people to
indicate if they want to arrange a room share. Washington is fairly
expensive, so a room share is one way to save money.

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Re: [Talk-us] SOTM-US compared

[Alex Barth]

Frederik -

Thank you for taking the time to write up your impressions (and for coming
out to San Francisco in the first place) - this is really helpful for
creating better conferences.

 tea, chocolate and delicate mini cakes during practially all the breaks ;)

You can't beat that :)

On the note of conferences - everyone check out State of the Map in
Birmingham, I am looking forward to being there.

http://2013.stateofthemap.org/

I also know there are still sponsorship opportunities, so get your
employers to support a great OpenStreetMap conference!



On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 4:35 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:

 Hi,

this year I was at SOTM-US for the first time, and immediately
 thereafter travelled to the German-language version of FOSS4G, the FOSSGIS
 conference. There were lots of similarities - but also big contrasts. Below
 is a personal comparison that might or might not be useful or interesting.

 Both conferences were about the same size. I think FOSSGIS had a few more
 talks but SOTM-US had a few more visitors. Alas, FOSSGIS has three tracks
 of which traditionally one is exclusively OSM and the others are about
 other open source GIS stuff that might touch OSM but not necessarily so -
 so the number of pure OSM talks was probably higher at SOTM-US.

 SOTM-US was held in San Francisco, the (Wikipedia) leading financial and
 cultural centre of Northern California with about 800k inhabitants, and
 FOSSGIS was held in Rapperswil, a town of 8,000 half an hour away from
 Zurich, in Switzerland. Which might explain why at FOSSGIS we were greeted
 by the mayor and the president of the university, who said that because his
 university is on the shore of Lake Zurich, during the summer months he
 occasionally feels like he's running a swimming pool and not a university.

 Surprisingly, public transport was excellent in both locations; getting to
 the conference location from the airport was unproblematic.

 Both conferences covered their expenses through sponsorship, ticket sales,
 and paid-for workshops. Both offered sponsors the option of setting up a
 little booth. FOSSGIS has been doing that for a long time; for SOTM-US I
 don't if this was new. At FOSSGIS, as a community member, my entry was free
 but I was charged EUR 60 for the food and drink flat rate at the social
 event (pre-dinner beers and dinner at a farm house in walking distance); at
 SOTM-US, even speakers had to pay the US$75 ticket price but the social
 events were essentially parties thrown by different companies and as such,
 free of charge. The social event at FOSSGIS offered fantastic views over
 Lake Zurich and the mountains beyond; the social events at SOTM-US allowed
 one to catch a glimpse of what working for Stamen or Code for America is
 like. (Both offices were very cool in their own way. Although I doubt
 there's free beer during business hours.) On a third night, MapBox treated
 us to drinks at a local bar.

 Sponsors were very unobtrusive at both conferences. I knew it was like
 that at FOSSGIS but I was positively surprised by SOTM-US which, being held
 in the Land of the Free and of Unfettered Market Capitalism, I had feared
 might confront myself with much more sponsor messages than my European soul
 could take. In the end it was not a problem at all (big thank you to the
 sponsors at this point).

 Both conferences were held at universities, however SOTM-US was at a
 proper conference centre, whereas for FOSSGIS we used the normal student
 auditoriums. This has a certain tradition with FOSSGIS which is in many
 respects a low-budget event and doesn't spend a lot of money on being
 classy - if it is good enough for students then it is good enough for
 FOSSGIS. Video recording was through volunteers at FOSSGIS, and through
 paid professionals at SOTM-US; the FOSSGIS volunteers did an excellent job
 but of course student auditoriums are not as well prepared for recording as
 a conference centre.

 This year, for the first time since I can remember, FOSSGIS got the name
 badges right - large font, on lanyards, dual sided. It used to be a running
 gag with FOSSGIS about what would go wrong this time - either the font is
 too small, or only one side is printed and it flips over all the time, or
 whatnot. The name badges at SOTM-US were unremarkably professional - you
 didn't even notice that everything was right about them. (Good designers
 can probably tell a tale of this - if you do things just right, nobody will
 notice.)

 One small thing that struck me as extremely useful at SOTM-US was the
 programme booklet. Spring-bound, so you could easily have it flipped to the
 right page for the current day and small enough to fit in your pocket - the
 ideal utility for the conference nomad! FOSSGIS usually has a couple sheets
 of copied paper which are no match to a neat booklet. Definitely worth
 imitating. (FOSSGIS, to its defense, has a free, full-size, 140-page bound
 volume of conference proceedings 

Re: [Talk-us] SOTM-US compared

[Alex Barth]

Serge -

You're not doing yourself justice as initiator and organizer of what are
the first sprint days at a US State of the Map. I actually think the sprint
days went very well - we had amazing turn out for both days and great work
happened. So: I see absolutely no need to feel badly and thank you for
pushing on making them happen.

I agree there is room for improvement. Aside from clearer comms, the
biggest challenge is a great venue that has great internet, is accessible,
allows for being all in the same general space while breaking out into
groups. All within budget :) We know what's needed here, looking forward to
nailing this next year.

I also like the idea of lightning talks for next year's conference.


On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote:

 Frederik,

 Thank you for this valuable feedback, in particular regarding the sprints.

 I feel very badly about how the sprints went, and I want to go into
 detail why, and what I'm going to try to do next year about them.

 First, I want to say that for those people who were calling this a
 hack day, I don't blame you, for two reasons, but that I hope this
 changes in the future.

 1. OSM does not have institutional experience with sprints

 It was evident to me that many OSMers were interested in the sprints,
 but had only attendeded hack days, so to them, the terms were
 synonymous. They are not.

 A sprint is far more organized, more like BoF sessions going on, each
 with their own space. Imagine if a conference tried to have every BoF
 going on simultaneously in one space at the same time. This wouldn't
 work, and so what we had at the event was the equivalent.

 2. There were not sufficient resources were not put into the sprints

 Running sprints is expensive. It requires multiple rooms, or a very
 large room with lots of room for groups to work independently of one
 another, out of each others way

 In addition, I had expected that we would have a session for
 lightening talks, as we'd had in previous years. Lightening talks are
 key to getting sprints going, as it gives the opportunity for sprint
 organizers to talk about their project and lay out the goals for the
 sprints (which are very result-oriented).

 It was a surprise to me that we didn't have lightening talks, and by
 the time I found out, it was too late to change the situation, and so
 there wasn't any coordinated efforts around the sprints.

 Lastly, the number of days we were sprinting changed from two, to one,
 back to two, and the information about the sprints changed on the
 website. This lead to a lot of confusion in folks' mind.


 The feedback I received has been very positive on this topic, though,
 with more developers coming together than we had ever had before at a
 single OSM event (roughly 10% of attendees attended one or both sprint
 days). There is clear willingness by the community to work on
 challenging technical issues.

 I am hopeful that given the amount of interest, that sprints will be
 featured next year, and will be given proper resources. In addition,
 we should re-introduce the lightening talks, and bring up the sprints,
 and sprint coordination, at the opening ceremony, and again at a
 closing ceremony (which we also didn't have this year).


 I'll be doing my best to make sure this happens next year so that we
 move towards a more successful sprint in 2014.

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[Talk-us] SOTM-US compared

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

   this year I was at SOTM-US for the first time, and immediately 
thereafter travelled to the German-language version of FOSS4G, the 
FOSSGIS conference. There were lots of similarities - but also big 
contrasts. Below is a personal comparison that might or might not be 
useful or interesting.


Both conferences were about the same size. I think FOSSGIS had a few 
more talks but SOTM-US had a few more visitors. Alas, FOSSGIS has three 
tracks of which traditionally one is exclusively OSM and the others are 
about other open source GIS stuff that might touch OSM but not 
necessarily so - so the number of pure OSM talks was probably higher at 
SOTM-US.


SOTM-US was held in San Francisco, the (Wikipedia) leading financial 
and cultural centre of Northern California with about 800k inhabitants, 
and FOSSGIS was held in Rapperswil, a town of 8,000 half an hour away 
from Zurich, in Switzerland. Which might explain why at FOSSGIS we were 
greeted by the mayor and the president of the university, who said that 
because his university is on the shore of Lake Zurich, during the summer 
months he occasionally feels like he's running a swimming pool and not a 
university.


Surprisingly, public transport was excellent in both locations; getting 
to the conference location from the airport was unproblematic.


Both conferences covered their expenses through sponsorship, ticket 
sales, and paid-for workshops. Both offered sponsors the option of 
setting up a little booth. FOSSGIS has been doing that for a long time; 
for SOTM-US I don't if this was new. At FOSSGIS, as a community member, 
my entry was free but I was charged EUR 60 for the food and drink flat 
rate at the social event (pre-dinner beers and dinner at a farm house in 
walking distance); at SOTM-US, even speakers had to pay the US$75 ticket 
price but the social events were essentially parties thrown by different 
companies and as such, free of charge. The social event at FOSSGIS 
offered fantastic views over Lake Zurich and the mountains beyond; the 
social events at SOTM-US allowed one to catch a glimpse of what working 
for Stamen or Code for America is like. (Both offices were very cool in 
their own way. Although I doubt there's free beer during business 
hours.) On a third night, MapBox treated us to drinks at a local bar.


Sponsors were very unobtrusive at both conferences. I knew it was like 
that at FOSSGIS but I was positively surprised by SOTM-US which, being 
held in the Land of the Free and of Unfettered Market Capitalism, I had 
feared might confront myself with much more sponsor messages than my 
European soul could take. In the end it was not a problem at all (big 
thank you to the sponsors at this point).


Both conferences were held at universities, however SOTM-US was at a 
proper conference centre, whereas for FOSSGIS we used the normal student 
auditoriums. This has a certain tradition with FOSSGIS which is in many 
respects a low-budget event and doesn't spend a lot of money on being 
classy - if it is good enough for students then it is good enough for 
FOSSGIS. Video recording was through volunteers at FOSSGIS, and through 
paid professionals at SOTM-US; the FOSSGIS volunteers did an excellent 
job but of course student auditoriums are not as well prepared for 
recording as a conference centre.


This year, for the first time since I can remember, FOSSGIS got the name 
badges right - large font, on lanyards, dual sided. It used to be a 
running gag with FOSSGIS about what would go wrong this time - either 
the font is too small, or only one side is printed and it flips over all 
the time, or whatnot. The name badges at SOTM-US were unremarkably 
professional - you didn't even notice that everything was right about 
them. (Good designers can probably tell a tale of this - if you do 
things just right, nobody will notice.)


One small thing that struck me as extremely useful at SOTM-US was the 
programme booklet. Spring-bound, so you could easily have it flipped to 
the right page for the current day and small enough to fit in your 
pocket - the ideal utility for the conference nomad! FOSSGIS usually has 
a couple sheets of copied paper which are no match to a neat booklet. 
Definitely worth imitating. (FOSSGIS, to its defense, has a free, 
full-size, 140-page bound volume of conference proceedings where 
basically every speaker presents their topic on a couple written pages - 
which is certainly quite useful to many, but while you're there, the 
schedule booklet beats that easily.)


On the whole, FOSSGIS (even though the conference itself has been around 
longer than OSM and much longer than any SOTM conference) still has a 
bit of an amateur flair to it, but in a way I think that's intentional. 
There may be many professionals there, but it isn't a professionally-run 
conference, and I find that charming. SOTM-US is of course not a 
professionaly-run conference either but it appears a little more like one.


FOSSGIS is 

Re: [Talk-us] SOTM-US compared

[Serge Wroclawski]

Frederik,

Thank you for this valuable feedback, in particular regarding the sprints.

I feel very badly about how the sprints went, and I want to go into
detail why, and what I'm going to try to do next year about them.

First, I want to say that for those people who were calling this a
hack day, I don't blame you, for two reasons, but that I hope this
changes in the future.

1. OSM does not have institutional experience with sprints

It was evident to me that many OSMers were interested in the sprints,
but had only attendeded hack days, so to them, the terms were
synonymous. They are not.

A sprint is far more organized, more like BoF sessions going on, each
with their own space. Imagine if a conference tried to have every BoF
going on simultaneously in one space at the same time. This wouldn't
work, and so what we had at the event was the equivalent.

2. There were not sufficient resources were not put into the sprints

Running sprints is expensive. It requires multiple rooms, or a very
large room with lots of room for groups to work independently of one
another, out of each others way

In addition, I had expected that we would have a session for
lightening talks, as we'd had in previous years. Lightening talks are
key to getting sprints going, as it gives the opportunity for sprint
organizers to talk about their project and lay out the goals for the
sprints (which are very result-oriented).

It was a surprise to me that we didn't have lightening talks, and by
the time I found out, it was too late to change the situation, and so
there wasn't any coordinated efforts around the sprints.

Lastly, the number of days we were sprinting changed from two, to one,
back to two, and the information about the sprints changed on the
website. This lead to a lot of confusion in folks' mind.


The feedback I received has been very positive on this topic, though,
with more developers coming together than we had ever had before at a
single OSM event (roughly 10% of attendees attended one or both sprint
days). There is clear willingness by the community to work on
challenging technical issues.

I am hopeful that given the amount of interest, that sprints will be
featured next year, and will be given proper resources. In addition,
we should re-introduce the lightening talks, and bring up the sprints,
and sprint coordination, at the opening ceremony, and again at a
closing ceremony (which we also didn't have this year).


I'll be doing my best to make sure this happens next year so that we
move towards a more successful sprint in 2014.

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[Martijn van Exel]

Hi,

Frederik,

Thanks for the compare  contrast and I am happy you have enjoyed SOTM US.
I am very happy you could make it and that you got a chance to (re-)connect
with members of the US and international community.

I have attended a FOSSGIS or two and can relate to your experience. They
are very well attended, very professionally run. High quality talks, on
average a little more technology-/developer-oriented - as are the
attendees, I have a feeling.

Serge - agreed the sprint day spaces were perhaps not ideal, but I think we
got a lot out of them nonetheless. The turnout was amazing. It is hard to
get a good space to allow for breakouts etc for so many people while on a
budget. I think given the constraints you did a great job organizing this!
So thank you!

And point taken re: the lightning talks. It was a tough call with so many
good submissions and we wanted to keep the # of tracks down to two. Next
year, I want to re-introduce them for sure.



On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote:

 Frederik,

 Thank you for this valuable feedback, in particular regarding the sprints.

 I feel very badly about how the sprints went, and I want to go into
 detail why, and what I'm going to try to do next year about them.

 First, I want to say that for those people who were calling this a
 hack day, I don't blame you, for two reasons, but that I hope this
 changes in the future.

 1. OSM does not have institutional experience with sprints

 It was evident to me that many OSMers were interested in the sprints,
 but had only attendeded hack days, so to them, the terms were
 synonymous. They are not.

 A sprint is far more organized, more like BoF sessions going on, each
 with their own space. Imagine if a conference tried to have every BoF
 going on simultaneously in one space at the same time. This wouldn't
 work, and so what we had at the event was the equivalent.

 2. There were not sufficient resources were not put into the sprints

 Running sprints is expensive. It requires multiple rooms, or a very
 large room with lots of room for groups to work independently of one
 another, out of each others way

 In addition, I had expected that we would have a session for
 lightening talks, as we'd had in previous years. Lightening talks are
 key to getting sprints going, as it gives the opportunity for sprint
 organizers to talk about their project and lay out the goals for the
 sprints (which are very result-oriented).

 It was a surprise to me that we didn't have lightening talks, and by
 the time I found out, it was too late to change the situation, and so
 there wasn't any coordinated efforts around the sprints.

 Lastly, the number of days we were sprinting changed from two, to one,
 back to two, and the information about the sprints changed on the
 website. This lead to a lot of confusion in folks' mind.


 The feedback I received has been very positive on this topic, though,
 with more developers coming together than we had ever had before at a
 single OSM event (roughly 10% of attendees attended one or both sprint
 days). There is clear willingness by the community to work on
 challenging technical issues.

 I am hopeful that given the amount of interest, that sprints will be
 featured next year, and will be given proper resources. In addition,
 we should re-introduce the lightening talks, and bring up the sprints,
 and sprint coordination, at the opening ceremony, and again at a
 closing ceremony (which we also didn't have this year).


 I'll be doing my best to make sure this happens next year so that we
 move towards a more successful sprint in 2014.

 - Serge

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Re: [Talk-us] SOTM-US list for room shares

[Kathleen Danielson]

Hey folks-- just a reminder to add your names to the room share list in the
wiki if you're looking for one. Room reservations need to be made pretty
much immediately because of WWDC coming into town right on our heels. Also,
the special SOTM-US rate is only in effect until *this Friday,* after which
you'll all be at the whims of the free market :P

See you in San Francisco!


On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 8:51 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote:

 Also, I found that the rates go up quite a bit after the 10th. The
 WWDC effect no doubt.

 Added my details, my room is a double queen, I'd be happy to share.

 On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:
  I've started a table at
  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_U.S._2013#Room_sharefor
  SOTM-US room shares.
 
  Anyone considering a room share should plan it soon because the Holiday
 Inn
  Civic Center special SOTM-US rate requires booking by the 10th. Other
 hotels
  don't have a hard deadline, but rates seem to be increasing.
 
 
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[Talk-us] SOTM-US list for room shares

[Paul Norman]

I've started a table at
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_U.S._2013#Room_share for
SOTM-US room shares.

Anyone considering a room share should plan it soon because the Holiday Inn
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Re: [Talk-us] SOTM-US list for room shares

[Martijn van Exel]

Also, I found that the rates go up quite a bit after the 10th. The
WWDC effect no doubt.

Added my details, my room is a double queen, I'd be happy to share.

On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:
 I've started a table at
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_U.S._2013#Room_share for
 SOTM-US room shares.

 Anyone considering a room share should plan it soon because the Holiday Inn
 Civic Center special SOTM-US rate requires booking by the 10th. Other hotels
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[Talk-us] SOTM-US Friday pre-sessions

[Paul Norman]

I was wondering who the workshops on Friday before SOTM would be of interest
to. Advanced mappers? Developers of OSM software? Developers of software
using OSM data?

I'm trying to figure out what days to fly in/out on.


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Re: [Talk-us] SOTM-US Friday pre-sessions

[Alex Barth]

There will be a track for advanced and one for beginners, there will also
be social events and opportunity to connect with people who are early in
sf. Workshops to be announced early next week.

On Friday, May 3, 2013, Paul Norman wrote:

 I was wondering who the workshops on Friday before SOTM would be of
 interest
 to. Advanced mappers? Developers of OSM software? Developers of software
 using OSM data?

 I'm trying to figure out what days to fly in/out on.


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[Talk-us] SOTM US 2012: video volunteers, please contact me + video from the conference starting to go up online

[Richard Welty]

Martijn and i are starting to pull together the video from SOTM US to 
prepare it to be put online.
i know that a number of the volunteers did backup video with their cell 
phones. could all of those
who did so please drop me a note? a lot of the video from the Bloggie 
cameras is fairly usable, but
some talks are pretty chopped up and the cell phone backups will help us 
pull this together.


the shiny new OSM US youtube channel is here:

   http://www.youtube.com/user/openstreetmapUS?feature=mhee

the welcome and the first part of SteveC's keynote are up and i'm 
working on getting the second and

final part of the keynote up tonight.

thanks,
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Re: [Talk-us] SOTM-US 2013

[Clay Smalley]

Can I nominate Austin for 2013?


On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 7:16 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:

 I'm going to go ahead and get it started by nominating beautiful Tulsa,
 Oklahoma for SOTM 2013.


 On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote:

 Hey Kate -

 Good question. Given the fact that we're shooting for an early SOTM next
 year, we're really strapped of time for a formal bid process. I know this
 is not ideal but I think the ability to move SOTM-US to a better date in
 regards to the international conference is worth it. If you were plannning
 on bidding or if you know of anyone bidding I would suggest to make it
 known here or just get in touch with bon...@mapbox.com. We should
 absolutely open a formal bidding process at the SOTM-US 2013 conference for
 2014.

 On Nov 6, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote:

  Hi Alex,
 
  Is there going to be a bid process as with previous years?
 
  Thanks!
 
  -Kate
 
  On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 5:32 AM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote:
 
  OpenStreetMap US is kicking off planning for State of the Map 2013.
 With an international conference likely taking place in the fall of 2013
 (no confirmation from official places, this is an educated guess at this
 point), we are shooting for a first half of the year date - thinking around
 April, May or June. Not being too close to important international OSM
 dates will allow us to continue to build out the international appeal of
 the US SOTM.
 
  Bonnie Bogle, who did much of the organizing at this year's SOTM in
 Portland, is starting right now with researching viable locations and
 dates. We are looking for places that will allow for an affordable
 conference at a great location and date.
 
  If you'd like to help organize, I invite you to join the planning
 committee, please let it be known here on this thread or shoot Bonnie an
 email at bon...@mapbox.com.
 
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Re: [Talk-us] SOTM-US 2013

[Steven Johnson]

For those interested in putting together a bid, you may want to review the
bid criteria and some of the past bids to get a sense of content and level
of detail. The ones for 2012 are here:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_U.S._2012/BIDS


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On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 8:16 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:

 I'm going to go ahead and get it started by nominating beautiful Tulsa,
 Oklahoma for SOTM 2013.


 On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote:

 Hey Kate -

 Good question. Given the fact that we're shooting for an early SOTM next
 year, we're really strapped of time for a formal bid process. I know this
 is not ideal but I think the ability to move SOTM-US to a better date in
 regards to the international conference is worth it. If you were plannning
 on bidding or if you know of anyone bidding I would suggest to make it
 known here or just get in touch with bon...@mapbox.com. We should
 absolutely open a formal bidding process at the SOTM-US 2013 conference for
 2014.

 On Nov 6, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote:

  Hi Alex,
 
  Is there going to be a bid process as with previous years?
 
  Thanks!
 
  -Kate
 
  On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 5:32 AM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote:
 
  OpenStreetMap US is kicking off planning for State of the Map 2013.
 With an international conference likely taking place in the fall of 2013
 (no confirmation from official places, this is an educated guess at this
 point), we are shooting for a first half of the year date - thinking around
 April, May or June. Not being too close to important international OSM
 dates will allow us to continue to build out the international appeal of
 the US SOTM.
 
  Bonnie Bogle, who did much of the organizing at this year's SOTM in
 Portland, is starting right now with researching viable locations and
 dates. We are looking for places that will allow for an affordable
 conference at a great location and date.
 
  If you'd like to help organize, I invite you to join the planning
 committee, please let it be known here on this thread or shoot Bonnie an
 email at bon...@mapbox.com.
 
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[Talk-us] SOTM-US 2013

[Alex Barth]

OpenStreetMap US is kicking off planning for State of the Map 2013. With an 
international conference likely taking place in the fall of 2013 (no 
confirmation from official places, this is an educated guess at this point), we 
are shooting for a first half of the year date - thinking around April, May or 
June. Not being too close to important international OSM dates will allow us to 
continue to build out the international appeal of the US SOTM.

Bonnie Bogle, who did much of the organizing at this year's SOTM in Portland, 
is starting right now with researching viable locations and dates. We are 
looking for places that will allow for an affordable conference at a great 
location and date.

If you'd like to help organize, I invite you to join the planning committee, 
please let it be known here on this thread or shoot Bonnie an email at 
bon...@mapbox.com.

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[Kate Chapman]

Hi Alex,

Is there going to be a bid process as with previous years?

Thanks!

-Kate

On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 5:32 AM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote:

 OpenStreetMap US is kicking off planning for State of the Map 2013. With an 
 international conference likely taking place in the fall of 2013 (no 
 confirmation from official places, this is an educated guess at this point), 
 we are shooting for a first half of the year date - thinking around April, 
 May or June. Not being too close to important international OSM dates will 
 allow us to continue to build out the international appeal of the US SOTM.

 Bonnie Bogle, who did much of the organizing at this year's SOTM in Portland, 
 is starting right now with researching viable locations and dates. We are 
 looking for places that will allow for an affordable conference at a great 
 location and date.

 If you'd like to help organize, I invite you to join the planning committee, 
 please let it be known here on this thread or shoot Bonnie an email at 
 bon...@mapbox.com.

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[Alex Barth]

Hey Kate -

Good question. Given the fact that we're shooting for an early SOTM next year, 
we're really strapped of time for a formal bid process. I know this is not 
ideal but I think the ability to move SOTM-US to a better date in regards to 
the international conference is worth it. If you were plannning on bidding or 
if you know of anyone bidding I would suggest to make it known here or just get 
in touch with bon...@mapbox.com. We should absolutely open a formal bidding 
process at the SOTM-US 2013 conference for 2014.

On Nov 6, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote:

 Hi Alex,
 
 Is there going to be a bid process as with previous years?
 
 Thanks!
 
 -Kate
 
 On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 5:32 AM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote:
 
 OpenStreetMap US is kicking off planning for State of the Map 2013. With an 
 international conference likely taking place in the fall of 2013 (no 
 confirmation from official places, this is an educated guess at this point), 
 we are shooting for a first half of the year date - thinking around April, 
 May or June. Not being too close to important international OSM dates will 
 allow us to continue to build out the international appeal of the US SOTM.
 
 Bonnie Bogle, who did much of the organizing at this year's SOTM in 
 Portland, is starting right now with researching viable locations and dates. 
 We are looking for places that will allow for an affordable conference at a 
 great location and date.
 
 If you'd like to help organize, I invite you to join the planning committee, 
 please let it be known here on this thread or shoot Bonnie an email at 
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Re: [Talk-us] SOTM-US 2013

[Paul Johnson]

I'm going to go ahead and get it started by nominating beautiful Tulsa,
Oklahoma for SOTM 2013.


On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote:

 Hey Kate -

 Good question. Given the fact that we're shooting for an early SOTM next
 year, we're really strapped of time for a formal bid process. I know this
 is not ideal but I think the ability to move SOTM-US to a better date in
 regards to the international conference is worth it. If you were plannning
 on bidding or if you know of anyone bidding I would suggest to make it
 known here or just get in touch with bon...@mapbox.com. We should
 absolutely open a formal bidding process at the SOTM-US 2013 conference for
 2014.

 On Nov 6, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote:

  Hi Alex,
 
  Is there going to be a bid process as with previous years?
 
  Thanks!
 
  -Kate
 
  On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 5:32 AM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote:
 
  OpenStreetMap US is kicking off planning for State of the Map 2013.
 With an international conference likely taking place in the fall of 2013
 (no confirmation from official places, this is an educated guess at this
 point), we are shooting for a first half of the year date - thinking around
 April, May or June. Not being too close to important international OSM
 dates will allow us to continue to build out the international appeal of
 the US SOTM.
 
  Bonnie Bogle, who did much of the organizing at this year's SOTM in
 Portland, is starting right now with researching viable locations and
 dates. We are looking for places that will allow for an affordable
 conference at a great location and date.
 
  If you'd like to help organize, I invite you to join the planning
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[Talk-us] SOTM-US geocoding/share-alike discussion

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

   on talk-us there was a mention of Carl Frantzen's recent three-part
article with SOTM-US coverage, 
http://idealab.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/10/openstreetmap-part-1-new-cartographers.php,

and his mention of OSM moving away from his open-source roots.

Apparently, this refers to some unfortunate statements at SOTM-US about
share-alike being bad for business or something, and Frantzen mentions
that a couple of businesses have set up an informal group to discuss
which bits of our license they don't understand or want clarification
on. As far as I know, nobody who knows anything about OSM seriously
suggested that we move away from open source, it was just a phrase
unfortunately reported.

I am still rather surprised to hear about this as a side note of SOTM-US
coverage instead of here on this list where license discussions should
be at home. I would urge anyone who is unclear about anything with ODbL
and/or who believes that any community norms we have must be refined, to
discuss that here on this mailing list - whether it's for business or
personal use.

Looking through past discussions in the archives of minutes of our
Licensing Working Group, it seems clear to me that OSM data under ODbL
is unlikely to ever be available for no strings attached geocoding; we
won't ask for your customer database just because you geocode with OSM,
but you will have to adhere to some rules nonetheless.

LWG has never actually made a decision on geocoding, and all mentions in
their minutes carry big disclaimers (This is a summary of our
discussion and should NOT be construed as a formal statement of
position). Under that disclaimer, the 20120515 minutes contain the
following:


To be able to claim that the remainder of the record, (often
proprietary business information or personal information such as a
patient record) is not virally touched by geocoding against OSM ODbL
data needs a distinction to be demonstrated. This distinction needs
to be a clear and logical general rule or principle. It also needs to
be acceptable to the OSM community. At the moment, we feel this does
not exist.


In the same notes there's a discussion of a like with like principle
which means that Whatever is used in the (reverse)geocoding look-up is
virally touched, but nothing else.

The 20120522 meeting notes contain a link to a concept paper

https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1Ag81OlT1TtnhYwVE-bBtL018SNoU_V-anG4wLdwMT4c

and explicitly say: To improve it, and test the rationality of the
ideas expressed, we need and welcome real-world cases of geocoding and
reverse-geocoding.

So I guess anyone who wants to use OSM in a geocoding scenario should
read that and submit their opinion, here or to LWG.

Personally, I've gone on record as an advocate of a non-share-alike (PD) 
license for OSM but the project as a whole has decided to have a 
share-alike license and I accept that; I don't think that geocode as 
much as you want without sharing any data is possible with the ODbL 
data set.


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[Dale Puch]

Perhaps some real world examples would help more people with understanding
this.  What are some clear acceptable uses, unaccepted and what is still
grey areas.  Perhaps there should be two answers for the grey area
examples, legally, and OSM intent.

Wasn't there something like this in the WIKI for the old SA lisense?

Dale

On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 4:58 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:

 Hi,

on talk-us there was a mention of Carl Frantzen's recent three-part
 article with SOTM-US coverage, http://idealab.**
 talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/10/**openstreetmap-part-1-new-**
 cartographers.phphttp://idealab.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/10/openstreetmap-part-1-new-cartographers.php
 ,
 and his mention of OSM moving away from his open-source roots.

 Apparently, this refers to some unfortunate statements at SOTM-US about
 share-alike being bad for business or something, and Frantzen mentions
 that a couple of businesses have set up an informal group to discuss
 which bits of our license they don't understand or want clarification
 on. As far as I know, nobody who knows anything about OSM seriously
 suggested that we move away from open source, it was just a phrase
 unfortunately reported.

 I am still rather surprised to hear about this as a side note of SOTM-US
 coverage instead of here on this list where license discussions should
 be at home. I would urge anyone who is unclear about anything with ODbL
 and/or who believes that any community norms we have must be refined, to
 discuss that here on this mailing list - whether it's for business or
 personal use.

 Looking through past discussions in the archives of minutes of our
 Licensing Working Group, it seems clear to me that OSM data under ODbL
 is unlikely to ever be available for no strings attached geocoding; we
 won't ask for your customer database just because you geocode with OSM,
 but you will have to adhere to some rules nonetheless.

 LWG has never actually made a decision on geocoding, and all mentions in
 their minutes carry big disclaimers (This is a summary of our
 discussion and should NOT be construed as a formal statement of
 position). Under that disclaimer, the 20120515 minutes contain the
 following:

  To be able to claim that the remainder of the record, (often
 proprietary business information or personal information such as a
 patient record) is not virally touched by geocoding against OSM ODbL
 data needs a distinction to be demonstrated. This distinction needs
 to be a clear and logical general rule or principle. It also needs to
 be acceptable to the OSM community. At the moment, we feel this does
 not exist.


 In the same notes there's a discussion of a like with like principle
 which means that Whatever is used in the (reverse)geocoding look-up is
 virally touched, but nothing else.

 The 20120522 meeting notes contain a link to a concept paper

 https://docs.google.com/**document/pub?id=**1Ag81OlT1TtnhYwVE-bBtL018SNoU_
 **V-anG4wLdwMT4chttps://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1Ag81OlT1TtnhYwVE-bBtL018SNoU_V-anG4wLdwMT4c

 and explicitly say: To improve it, and test the rationality of the
 ideas expressed, we need and welcome real-world cases of geocoding and
 reverse-geocoding.

 So I guess anyone who wants to use OSM in a geocoding scenario should
 read that and submit their opinion, here or to LWG.

 Personally, I've gone on record as an advocate of a non-share-alike (PD)
 license for OSM but the project as a whole has decided to have a
 share-alike license and I accept that; I don't think that geocode as much
 as you want without sharing any data is possible with the ODbL data set.

 Bye
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Re: [Talk-us] SOTM-US geocoding/share-alike discussion

[Clifford Snow]

On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Dale Puch dale.p...@gmail.com wrote:

 Perhaps some real world examples would help more people with understanding
 this.  What are some clear acceptable uses, unaccepted and what is still
 grey areas.  Perhaps there should be two answers for the grey area
 examples, legally, and OSM intent.


In the SOTM-US the National Parks presentation by Mamata Akella the issue
of using OSM data by the NPS touched on the issue. The National Parks
services data is PD. Using OSM data does not fit with their requirement to
release everything PD. It seems like a natural fit between their data, our
mapping it into OSM (along with the value we add) and their subsequent use
to produce highly desirable maps. I'd hate to see the NPS just take
Potlatch and modify it to fit their PD requirement. Yes, we can still get
the data, but it makes more sense if we can collaborate.

USGS apparently is doing a trial right now with a modified Potlatch to
restart their citizen mapping project. Again, the USGS is required to
release their data as PD.

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Re: [Talk-us] SOTM-US geocoding/share-alike discussion

[Michal Migurski]

I'm not on legal-talk, so this mail is going out only to Talk-US. I'm happy to 
have it forwarded.

We had a license BoF organized primarily by Mapbox (Eric Gunderson and Alex 
Barth) with participation from Foursquare (David Blackman), on the topic of the 
license and its effect on geocoding data. Steve C, Henk Hoff, Paul Norman, 
Richard Fairhurst and many others attended. My understanding of Mapbox's issue, 
paraphrased, is that they have potential clients with lawyers scared of the 
ODbL and license status of latitude and longitudes returned from addresses 
geocoded against OSM.

As I understood it, the end result of the discussion was that the ODbL may or 
may not apply in this case and that Mapbox should submit some specific uses 
cases to the board to illustrate their specific concern so we can all stop 
blathering about whether the license is good or bad and move on to useful 
particulars.

In other words, what the 20120522 LWG meeting notes say.

-mike.

On Oct 21, 2012, at 1:58 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote:

 Hi,
 
   on talk-us there was a mention of Carl Frantzen's recent three-part
 article with SOTM-US coverage, 
 http://idealab.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/10/openstreetmap-part-1-new-cartographers.php,
 and his mention of OSM moving away from his open-source roots.
 
 Apparently, this refers to some unfortunate statements at SOTM-US about
 share-alike being bad for business or something, and Frantzen mentions
 that a couple of businesses have set up an informal group to discuss
 which bits of our license they don't understand or want clarification
 on. As far as I know, nobody who knows anything about OSM seriously
 suggested that we move away from open source, it was just a phrase
 unfortunately reported.
 
 I am still rather surprised to hear about this as a side note of SOTM-US
 coverage instead of here on this list where license discussions should
 be at home. I would urge anyone who is unclear about anything with ODbL
 and/or who believes that any community norms we have must be refined, to
 discuss that here on this mailing list - whether it's for business or
 personal use.
 
 Looking through past discussions in the archives of minutes of our
 Licensing Working Group, it seems clear to me that OSM data under ODbL
 is unlikely to ever be available for no strings attached geocoding; we
 won't ask for your customer database just because you geocode with OSM,
 but you will have to adhere to some rules nonetheless.
 
 LWG has never actually made a decision on geocoding, and all mentions in
 their minutes carry big disclaimers (This is a summary of our
 discussion and should NOT be construed as a formal statement of
 position). Under that disclaimer, the 20120515 minutes contain the
 following:
 
 To be able to claim that the remainder of the record, (often
 proprietary business information or personal information such as a
 patient record) is not virally touched by geocoding against OSM ODbL
 data needs a distinction to be demonstrated. This distinction needs
 to be a clear and logical general rule or principle. It also needs to
 be acceptable to the OSM community. At the moment, we feel this does
 not exist.
 
 In the same notes there's a discussion of a like with like principle
 which means that Whatever is used in the (reverse)geocoding look-up is
 virally touched, but nothing else.
 
 The 20120522 meeting notes contain a link to a concept paper
 
 https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1Ag81OlT1TtnhYwVE-bBtL018SNoU_V-anG4wLdwMT4c
 
 and explicitly say: To improve it, and test the rationality of the
 ideas expressed, we need and welcome real-world cases of geocoding and
 reverse-geocoding.
 
 So I guess anyone who wants to use OSM in a geocoding scenario should
 read that and submit their opinion, here or to LWG.
 
 Personally, I've gone on record as an advocate of a non-share-alike (PD) 
 license for OSM but the project as a whole has decided to have a share-alike 
 license and I accept that; I don't think that geocode as much as you want 
 without sharing any data is possible with the ODbL data set.
 
 Bye
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[Talk-us] SOTM-US venues not in the map!

[Toby Murray]

So I just got an email from the SOTM-US organizers with some details
about the conference. They mentioned some cafes and bars. None of them
seem to be in OSM! Can any Portland locals help us out and map these
venues so we don't get lost during the conference? :)

In particular from the email:
Lotus Cardroom and Cafe
Deschutes Brewery
The Refuge
Ace Hotel


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Re: [Talk-us] SOTM-US venues not in the map!

[Dave Hansen]

On 10/10/2012 12:06 PM, Toby Murray wrote:
 So I just got an email from the SOTM-US organizers with some details
 about the conference. They mentioned some cafes and bars. None of them
 seem to be in OSM! Can any Portland locals help us out and map these
 venues so we don't get lost during the conference? :)
 
 In particular from the email:
 Lotus Cardroom and Cafe
 Deschutes Brewery

Deschutes is in there (it's tasty, I put it in there long ago :):

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.524588lon=-122.680975zoom=18layers=M

although the name isn't rendering for some odd reason.

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Re: [Talk-us] SOTM-US venues not in the map!

[Martijn van Exel]

I mapped the refuge a few days ago (when we booked the venue ;) as a
building name, because I don't know what kind of place it is really (a
gallery? a night club?)

http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/79291038

On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote:
 On 10/10/2012 12:06 PM, Toby Murray wrote:
 So I just got an email from the SOTM-US organizers with some details
 about the conference. They mentioned some cafes and bars. None of them
 seem to be in OSM! Can any Portland locals help us out and map these
 venues so we don't get lost during the conference? :)

 In particular from the email:
 Lotus Cardroom and Cafe
 Deschutes Brewery

 Deschutes is in there (it's tasty, I put it in there long ago :):

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.524588lon=-122.680975zoom=18layers=M

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Re: [Talk-us] SOTM-US venues not in the map!

[Toby Murray]

Ah I think I searched for Deschutes Brewery as it was written in the
email. Maybe it needs an alternate name tag? But I guess just
searching for Deschutes, Portland, OR does find it.

I did see the name=The Refuge on that building. Without an amenity tag
on there I wasn't 100% sure I was looking at the right thing. Maybe a
local can fill that in.

Toby


On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote:
 I mapped the refuge a few days ago (when we booked the venue ;) as a
 building name, because I don't know what kind of place it is really (a
 gallery? a night club?)

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/79291038

 On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote:
 On 10/10/2012 12:06 PM, Toby Murray wrote:
 So I just got an email from the SOTM-US organizers with some details
 about the conference. They mentioned some cafes and bars. None of them
 seem to be in OSM! Can any Portland locals help us out and map these
 venues so we don't get lost during the conference? :)

 In particular from the email:
 Lotus Cardroom and Cafe
 Deschutes Brewery

 Deschutes is in there (it's tasty, I put it in there long ago :):

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.524588lon=-122.680975zoom=18layers=M

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[Talk-us] SOTM US: lightning talks

[Richard Welty]

there's a lonely table on the sotm us wiki page, 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_U.S._2012#Lightning_Talks
for lightning talks. i have the only proposal there right now, it'd be 
great to have some competition.


anyone attending who has a short subject is encouraged to make a proposal.

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Re: [Talk-us] SOTM US Portland - Call for participation

[Bill Ricker]

On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 10:37 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:

 That's pretty pedantic, when most people assume Oregon by default given
 that it's the largest city on the planet with that name.


Damn straight it's pedantic. And parochial. They're both proud traditions
here in old New England.

I accept that remembering that Portland might be ambiguous to some
ignorable percentage of the population that will
be disappointed and embarrassed at being fooled once again when it's of
course not our Portland that some wonderful event is coming to is just too
much to expect from the cool kids spinning off other events in hometown of
OSCON.

But I think it's fair to expect it of self-appointed geo-encyclopedists.

But I was a bit harsh to complain on it to Martijn, who being a recent
transplant may reasonably have assumed the big Portland USA was named for
Portland UK. Sorry Martijn. (Good luck with the Springfields as even the
Simpsons can't keep them straight.)


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Re: [Talk-us] SOTM US Portland - Call for participation

[Alexander Jones]

Martijn van Exel wrote:

 
 Thanks for clarifying that, Bill. Yes, it is Portland, Ore. After a
 year in the US, I know where most of the 50 states are, but I am still
 learning about the various Portlands, Springfields, Manchesters etc.
 Please bear with me as I assimilate.
 

For me, it's Springfield, Illinois, as I am an Arizonan by birth, Illinoisan 
at heart, and Texan by residence. But most importantly an Illinoisan. And 
Manchester is the home of my favorite football club, the Red Devils. ;)

And at least you have an excuse for not knowing where the states are. My 
brother, who has lived in the US for his entire life, doesn't even know 
where Nebraska is. I don't know how he passed 7th grade.

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Re: [Talk-us] SOTM US in Portland, Ore - details to follow

[Richard Weait]

On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote:
 It's about to break. Sorry for the delay.

Well hush my mouth.  :-)

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[Talk-us] SOTM US in Portland, Ore - details to follow

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi all,

The SOTM US bid committee has considered the bids entered to hold this
event later this year. I'm excited to announce that we can all start
looking forward to the second State Of The Map US in Portland, Oregon!

The Portland team is still ironing out all the details, so there's not
too much more to share right now, except that it's very likely going
to be in October. More info will be shared here as well as on the
wiki.

Best,
Martijn
(on behalf of the SOTM US bid committee and the SOTM US chapter board)
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Re: [Talk-us] SOTM US in Portland, Ore - details to follow

[Paul Johnson]

Well, drat, I'm heading out of Portland, hopefully for good this time,
sometime between April and July.

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote:

 Hi all,

 The SOTM US bid committee has considered the bids entered to hold this
 event later this year. I'm excited to announce that we can all start
 looking forward to the second State Of The Map US in Portland, Oregon!

 The Portland team is still ironing out all the details, so there's not
 too much more to share right now, except that it's very likely going
 to be in October. More info will be shared here as well as on the
 wiki.

 Best,
 Martijn
 (on behalf of the SOTM US bid committee and the SOTM US chapter board)
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[Talk-us] SOTM-US Synopsis

[Gregory Arenius]

Since I would like to hear more about what goes on at some of the
conferences I can't make I thought I would post some of what stuck out the
most for me at this one.  This is just what stuck out to me.  If I miss
something or am wrong about something I apologize in advance.  I actually
mailed this off a few days ago but it seems not to have found its way to the
list so here is a second attempt.

Nama Budhathoki gave a good presentation (over Skype!) on who the
contributors to OSM are and why they do what they do.  It had  breakdowns of
how much people contributed verse what their reasons for contributing were.
It also had a bit on the backgrounds of OSMers such as age, gender, and
traditional GIS experience.

Randal Hale and Leah Keith gave a talk about using OSM as a teaching tool
with high school students.  Her students seemed to really take to it.  It
was also very good because it doesn't cost theschool any money if they
already have computers.  The FREE component was really important.  They can
just make accounts and get started.  They used Mapzen because they found it
to be the most user friendly.  Even after the class project some of the
students have continued to contribute useful data to the map.

Jon Nystrom gave a talk about ArcGIS being able to work directly with OSM
files.  Many attendees were excited about this because many people in
attendance came from a GIS background and 'grew up on' ArcGIS. People like
to use the tools they know.  It will probably help more professionals
contribute to OSM because they won't have to learn a new tool set.

David Cole gave a talk about Mapquest starting to use and examine Mapquest
data.  The next day David Nesbitt gave a talk on how Mapquest routing can
work with OSM data in their testbed.  Basically Mapquest is looking at using
OSM data instead of proprietary data sources.  They plan on contributing
back to OSM in kind and with financial support.  The routing data talked
some about shortcomings in the OSM data set especially in the US.  Some
problems were missing turn restrictions, bad topology (missing connections
or connections that don't actually exist), handling of roads to ferry
terminals, and driveways tagged as residential roads.  Oh, and
addressability. One mentioned strength was good road classifications as
their routing algorithm relies on that pretty heavily. They're using a
mostly open stack except for their routing algorithm.  They've released
they're stylesheets under an open licence but they're still a work in
progress. They have a big tile server that is for open use that can handle
pretty much anything we can throw at it; if I recall correctly something
like 4000 requests a second.  You can check out their work at
http://open.mapquest.co.uk.  Really awesome stuff.  I'm excited by the
possibility that the maps I help make could touch that many people.  Wicked
cool.

Lars Ahlzen gave a talk on TopOSM, an OSM based topographic map of the US.
Its a really cool map optimized for looks and not speed.  http://toposm.com

Learon Dalby gave a talk about getting government data into OSM from the
government side.  He is part of (head of???) the Arkansas (AR!) GIS team.
They've collected a lot of good data and have released it for free for
anyone to use and he would really like to see it in OSM.  The main problem
is how to get it into OSM.  There was a general consensus (don't quote me on
that!) that there isn't really a set of well defined best practices or a
good tool chain to make this happen and go smoothly at that large of a
scale.  Also, OSMers usually only work on areas that interest them and there
aren't many OSMers in AR.  Another problem was how to flag changes we make
to the data set and send those flags back upstream.  They wouldn't be able
to take our edits directly but just knowing where changes needed to be made
would be a huge help to them.  I think it rocks that the whole open data
movement has made it to the point where there are people in government who
are not merely willing to make data available but that actually want us to
use it and are willing to expend time and effort to make that happen.

Carl Anderson had a similar talk the next day about using government data.
He suggested that using GIS conflation and road matching tools might help
ease imports some even if we have to translate to a GIS format and back.
OpenJump in particular was mentioned as being a good open source tool for
that purpose.  He also mentioned how checking the merged data with different
renderers and stylesheets was helpful because they all have different
strengths and weaknesses.

Ian Dees talked about using shp-2-osm to import data into OSM.

We had the OSM-US annual meeting.  OSM-US is incorporated, is trying to
become a certified non-profit, and has approximately $250 in its vast
coffers.  Voting for the new board kicked off and will be open to OSM-US
members for the next two weeks.  Voting will be run on a survey monkey
platform by outside observers 

[Talk-us] SOTM-US

[Gregory Arenius]

Since I would like to hear more about what goes on at some of the
conferences I can't make I thought I would post some of what stuck out the
most for me at this one.  This is just what stuck out to me.  If I miss
something or am wrong about something I apologize in advance.

Nama Budhathoki gave a good presentation (over Skype!) on who the
contributors to OSM are and why they do what they do.  It had  breakdowns of
how much people contributed verse what their reasons for contributing were.
It also had a bit on the backgrounds of OSMers such as age, gender, and
traditional GIS experience.

Randal Hale and Leah Keith gave a talk about using OSM as a teaching tool
with high school students.  Her students seemed to really take to it.  It
was also very good because it doesn't cost theschool any money if they
already have computers.  The FREE component was really important.  They can
just make accounts and get started.  They used Mapzen because they found it
to be the most user friendly.  Even after the class project some of the
students have continued to contribute useful data to the map.

Jon Nystrom gave a talk about ArcGIS being able to work directly with OSM
files.  Many attendees were excited about this because many people in
attendance came from a GIS background and 'grew up on' ArcGIS. People like
to use the tools they know.  It will probably help more professionals
contribute to OSM because they won't have to learn a new tool set.

David Cole gave a talk about Mapquest starting to use and examine Mapquest
data.  The next day David Nesbitt gave a talk on how Mapquest routing can
work with OSM data in their testbed.  Basically Mapquest is looking at using
OSM data instead of proprietary data sources.  They plan on contributing
back to OSM in kind and with financial support.  The routing data talked
some about shortcomings in the OSM data set especially in the US.  Some
problems were missing turn restrictions, bad topology (missing connections
or connections that don't actually exist), handling of roads to ferry
terminals, and driveways tagged as residential roads.  Oh, and
addressability. One mentioned strength was good road classifications as
their routing algorithm relies on that pretty heavily. They're using a
mostly open stack except for their routing algorithm.  They've released
they're stylesheets under an open licence but they're still a work in
progress. They have a big tile server that is for open use that can handle
pretty much anything we can throw at it; if I recall correctly something
like 4000 requests a second.  You can check out their work at
http://open.mapquest.co.uk.  Really awesome stuff.  I'm excited by the
possibility that the maps I help make could touch that many people.  Wicked
cool.

Learon Dalby gave a talk about getting government data into OSM from the
government side.  He is part of (head of???) the Arkansas (AR!) GIS team.
They've collected a lot of good data and have released it for free for
anyone to use and he would really like to see it in OSM.  The main problem
is how to get it into OSM.  There was a general consensus (don't quote me on
that!) that there isn't really a set of well defined best practices or a
good tool chain to make this happen and go smoothly at that large of a
scale.  Also, OSMers usually only work on areas that interest them and there
aren't many OSMers in AR.  Another problem was how to flag changes we make
to the data set and send those flags back upstream.  They wouldn't be able
to take our edits directly but just knowing where changes needed to be made
would be a huge help to them.  I think it rocks that the whole open data
movement has made it to the point where there are people in government who
are not merely willing to make data available but that actually want us to
use it and are willing to expend time and effort to make that happen.

Carl Anderson had a similar talk the next day about using government data.
He suggested that using GIS conflation and road matching tools might help
ease imports some even if we have to translate to a GIS format and back.
OpenJump in particular was mentioned as being a good open source tool for
that purpose.  He also mentioned how checking the merged data with different
renderers and stylesheets was helpful because they all have different
strengths and weaknesses.

Ian Dees talked about using shp-2-osm to import data into OSM.

We had the OSM-US annual meeting.  OSM-US is incorporated, is trying to
become a certified non-profit, and has approximately $250 in its vast
coffers.  Voting for the new board kicked off and will be open to OSM-US
members for the next two weeks.  Voting will be run on a survey monkey
platform by outside observers from two different open source projects.  You
can vote even if you haven't joined yet.  You just have to join before you
vote.

Thea Clay talked about building community and running mapping parties, mappy
hours and mapathons.  Steve mentioned that all of the successful 

Re: [Talk-us] SOTM US Schedule Up

[Mike N.]

The schedule for SOTM US is up.

...

Check it out and hope to see you there!


 As noted on the web forum, will there be video recordings of the sessions 
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Re: [Talk-us] SOTM US Schedule Up

[Kate Chapman]

Richard,

Sorry, I was trying to avoid the massive cross posting everywhere we
seem to love to do in OSM.  I figured people interested in mapping in
the US would be subscribed to this list.

Of course everyone is invited.

-Kate

On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote:
 On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 3:55 AM, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote:
 Hi All,

 The schedule for SOTM US is up.

 http://www.sotm.us/?page_id=2

 No post to talk, or other lists?  Is this event only for US-based
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[Talk-us] SOTM US Call

[SteveC]

Resuming the weekly call, tomorrow after the US Chapter call:

Monday Nov 30th
  5:30PM PST/8:30PM EST (immediately after the US chapter call)
  +1 218-486-3891 x 224699644

Main topic is finalizing location and date.

Yours c.

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