[Talk-us] Scenic/Historic byways
Just came across this while processing pictures from my bike across Kansas: http://i.imgur.com/bmiV2.jpg This is a sign for the "Western Vistas" historic byway. It even has a website: http://www.westernvistashistoricbyway.com/ Closer to home I have also seen a "Scenic Byway" sign. This seems to be an official designation by the US DOT as discussed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Scenic_Byway I'm not seeing nearly as much information on historic byways. Are these designated by the DOT as well or are they just tourist attractions? The website for the Western Vistas one is registered to the Wild West Historical Foundation in Oakley, KS which makes me think it is just a local thing. So how do we map these? I didn't see anything in the wiki and taginfo only shows 62 uses of national_byway=Bernwood Forest Loop. And that's about all I could find about byways. This obviously needs to be a route relation. Most of the tags should be fairly straightforward. So far I have: type=route route=road name=Western Vistas Historic Byway What about a network tag? Maybe network=byway:historic and byway:scenic? Are there other types? There doesn't seem to be any use for a ref=* tag. Anything else I'm missing? Toby ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Scenic/Historic byways
On 7/8/2012 3:20 PM, Toby Murray wrote: Just came across this while processing pictures from my bike across Kansas: http://i.imgur.com/bmiV2.jpg This is a sign for the "Western Vistas" historic byway. It even has a website: http://www.westernvistashistoricbyway.com/ Closer to home I have also seen a "Scenic Byway" sign. This seems to be an official designation by the US DOT as discussed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Scenic_Byway I'm not seeing nearly as much information on historic byways. Are these designated by the DOT as well or are they just tourist attractions? They're at least approved by the DOT if they run along state highways. I've used scenic=yes for some in Florida. For example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1239925 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Scenic/Historic byways
On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > On 7/8/2012 3:20 PM, Toby Murray wrote: >> >> Just came across this while processing pictures from my bike across >> Kansas: >> http://i.imgur.com/bmiV2.jpg >> >> This is a sign for the "Western Vistas" historic byway. It even has a >> website: >> http://www.westernvistashistoricbyway.com/ >> >> Closer to home I have also seen a "Scenic Byway" sign. This seems to >> be an official designation by the US DOT as discussed here: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Scenic_Byway >> >> I'm not seeing nearly as much information on historic byways. Are >> these designated by the DOT as well or are they just tourist >> attractions? > > They're at least approved by the DOT if they run along state highways. > > I've used scenic=yes for some in Florida. For example: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1239925 Well that works too. I think I kind of dislike *=yes tags for some reason although I guess I might add it to mine anyway. And I guess scenic=yes doesn't automatically imply that it is part of an official national/state network which is why I was suggesting a network tag. I haven't uploaded mine yet since I'm still working on things. Toby ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Scenic/Historic byways
On 07/08/2012 03:20 PM, Toby Murray wrote: Just came across this while processing pictures from my bike across Kansas: http://i.imgur.com/bmiV2.jpg This is a sign for the "Western Vistas" historic byway. It even has a website: http://www.westernvistashistoricbyway.com/ Closer to home I have also seen a "Scenic Byway" sign. This seems to be an official designation by the US DOT as discussed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Scenic_Byway I'm not seeing nearly as much information on historic byways. Are these designated by the DOT as well or are they just tourist attractions? The website for the Western Vistas one is registered to the Wild West Historical Foundation in Oakley, KS which makes me think it is just a local thing. So how do we map these? I didn't see anything in the wiki and taginfo only shows 62 uses of national_byway=Bernwood Forest Loop. And that's about all I could find about byways. This obviously needs to be a route relation. Most of the tags should be fairly straightforward. So far I have: type=route route=road name=Western Vistas Historic Byway What about a network tag? Maybe network=byway:historic and byway:scenic? Are there other types? There doesn't seem to be any use for a ref=* tag. Anything else I'm missing? I have another such thing local to me - Erie Canal National Heritage Corridor. (Some roads and trails are signed or otherwise identified as belonging to it.) It appears to be designated by National Park Service, rather than DOT. I just checked, though, and it doesn't seem to be tagged in any specific way. So you may have identified a larger project. :) -- 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Scenic/Historic byways
On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote: > On 07/08/2012 03:20 PM, Toby Murray wrote: >> >> Just came across this while processing pictures from my bike across >> Kansas: >> http://i.imgur.com/bmiV2.jpg >> >> This is a sign for the "Western Vistas" historic byway. It even has a >> website: >> http://www.westernvistashistoricbyway.com/ >> >> Closer to home I have also seen a "Scenic Byway" sign. This seems to >> be an official designation by the US DOT as discussed here: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Scenic_Byway >> >> I'm not seeing nearly as much information on historic byways. Are >> these designated by the DOT as well or are they just tourist >> attractions? The website for the Western Vistas one is registered to >> the Wild West Historical Foundation in Oakley, KS which makes me think >> it is just a local thing. >> >> So how do we map these? I didn't see anything in the wiki and taginfo >> only shows 62 uses of national_byway=Bernwood Forest Loop. And that's >> about all I could find about byways. >> >> This obviously needs to be a route relation. Most of the tags should >> be fairly straightforward. >> >> So far I have: >> type=route >> route=road >> name=Western Vistas Historic Byway >> >> What about a network tag? Maybe network=byway:historic and >> byway:scenic? Are there other types? There doesn't seem to be any use >> for a ref=* tag. Anything else I'm missing? > > > I have another such thing local to me - Erie Canal National Heritage > Corridor. (Some roads and trails are signed or otherwise identified > as belonging to it.) It appears to be designated by National Park > Service, rather than DOT. > > I just checked, though, and it doesn't seem to be tagged in any specific > way. So you may have identified a larger project. :) Along the same lines, there are various memorial highways all over the place although I'm not sure they really need anything but a name tag in the relation. Toby ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Scenic/Historic byways
On 7/8/12 10:03 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote: O I have another such thing local to me - Erie Canal National Heritage Corridor. (Some roads and trails are signed or otherwise identified as belonging to it.) It appears to be designated by National Park Service, rather than DOT. I just checked, though, and it doesn't seem to be tagged in any specific way. So you may have identified a larger project. :) there are a couple of Heritage Corridors in NY State, i'm not aware of any efforts to tag them as such. richard (in the Albany NY area) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Scenic/Historic byways
On 7/8/12 11:00 PM, Toby Murray wrote: Along the same lines, there are various memorial highways all over the place although I'm not sure they really need anything but a name tag in the relation i think you're exactly correct. a relation with the name in a tag is probably sufficient and fits within the existing scheme. richard ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Scenic/Historic byways
On Sun, Jul 08, 2012 at 11:02:32PM -0400, Richard Welty wrote: > > > there are a couple of Heritage Corridors in NY State, i'm not aware of any > efforts to tag them as such. Wisconsin has an actual state network of "Rural Roads" that are numbered. I haven't checked to see if anyone created a network for them yet, but I don't believe it exists. -- Kristian M Zoerhoff pgpk7dI0XAhLl.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Scenic/Historic byways
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 7:10 AM, Kristian M Zoerhoff wrote: > On Sun, Jul 08, 2012 at 11:02:32PM -0400, Richard Welty wrote: > > > > > there are a couple of Heritage Corridors in NY State, i'm not aware of > any > > efforts to tag them as such. > > Wisconsin has an actual state network of "Rural Roads" that are numbered. I > haven't checked to see if anyone created a network for them yet, but I > don't > believe it exists. > That's not quite the same thing as what's being discussed. Many states, like Oregon (unsigned but numbered, like OR 120, OR 141 and parts of OR 99W), Missouri (lettered, like MO TT), Texas (Farm-Market, NASA, etc), have secondary highways/rural routes. Some states, like Oregon (auto trails), Oklahoma (All-American Roads, Scenic Roads), and Texas (Recreation Routes) have tertiary, touristically oriented networks. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Scenic/Historic byways
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Kristian M Zoerhoff wrote: > On Sun, Jul 08, 2012 at 11:02:32PM -0400, Richard Welty wrote: > > > > > there are a couple of Heritage Corridors in NY State, i'm not aware of > any > > efforts to tag them as such. > > Wisconsin has an actual state network of "Rural Roads" that are numbered. I > haven't checked to see if anyone created a network for them yet, but I > don't > believe it exists. Wisconsin has Rustic Routes [0] that I remember mapping with relations a long while ago. Of course I don't remember which ones I mapped or how they were tagged, but if someone is interested in poking through and finding them, they might be tagged decently. [0] http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/travel/scenic/maps.htm ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Scenic/Historic byways
* Toby Murray [2012-07-08 14:20 -0500]: > Closer to home I have also seen a "Scenic Byway" sign. This seems to > be an official designation by the US DOT as discussed here: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Scenic_Byway I've done a bit of reading about these, mostly as they pertain to Maryland. It appears that most of those are also state-designated scenic byways, and a state will probably have other scenic byways that are not nationally recognized. > So how do we map these? In Maryland, the state has a brochure showing more or less where the byways are, and they're not entirely consistently signed[0]. I've put one into OpenStreetMap[1] and tagged it much as you did the Western Vistas Historic Byway, but I used a network of US:MD for lack of a better option. (US:MD:Scenic Byway might make sense, too.) I think the state-based scenic byways should have state-specific network tags. There are a few that are not state scenic byways, like Skyline Drive in Virginia. I'm not sure what would be a good network for those. I think the best way to handle National Scenic Byways and All American Roads is just to add national_scenic_byway=yes and all_american_road=yes tags (sorry) to the route relations as appropriate. That probably doesn't address your Historic Byway, but I haven't read anything about those. [0] I've been on three of Maryland's scenic byways since I started paying attention to them, and have only followed one for its entire length. That one (the Horses and Hounds Scenic Byway) only has signs right before the byway turns onto other roads and those signs do not indicate which way the byway turns. The Catoctin Mountin Scenic Byway (also a National Scenic Byway) more or less runs along the entire length of US 15 in Maryland and has signs dotted along the side of the road. The Star Spangled Banner Scenic Byway runs along most of the length of the Baltimore-Washington Parkway, but I've only seen one sign on the B-W Parkway--on the northbound side, just before MD 175--and it doesn't have the name of the scenic byway on it. [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/2188238 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Scenic/Historic byways
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Phil! Gold wrote: > > In Maryland, the state has a brochure showing more or less where the > byways are, and they're not entirely consistently signed[0]. I've put one > into OpenStreetMap[1] and tagged it much as you did the Western Vistas > Historic Byway, but I used a network of US:MD for lack of a better > option. (US:MD:Scenic Byway might make sense, too.) > My vote would be for US:MD:Scenic. Let's keep it simple. > I think the best way to handle National Scenic Byways and All American > Roads is just to add national_scenic_byway=yes and all_american_road=yes > tags (sorry) to the route relations as appropriate. That probably doesn't > address your Historic Byway, but I haven't read anything about those. > Is it possible that these are networks to themselves? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
