Re: [Talk-us] Sevier Lake Anomaly

2011-02-17 Thread Brad Neuhauser
You're both right  :)  Check it out Toby:
http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/srtm/instr.htm

On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Toby Murray  wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Phil! Gold  wrote:
> > The OpenCycleMap elevation data comes from the SRTM dataset, which was
> > obtained by taking stereoscopic images from the Space Shuttle.
>
> I thought the R stood for Radar, not steReoscopic? But yes, SRTM data
> is known for being flaky.
>
> Toby
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Re: [Talk-us] Sevier Lake Anomaly

2011-02-17 Thread Toby Murray
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Phil! Gold  wrote:
> The OpenCycleMap elevation data comes from the SRTM dataset, which was
> obtained by taking stereoscopic images from the Space Shuttle.

I thought the R stood for Radar, not steReoscopic? But yes, SRTM data
is known for being flaky.

Toby

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Re: [Talk-us] Sevier Lake Anomaly

2011-02-17 Thread Phil! Gold
* Val Kartchner  [2011-02-16 20:13 -0700]:
> What I'm asking about is this anomaly in the area of Sevier Lake:
> "http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.0035&lon=-113.0895&zoom=14&layers=C";.  
> What is up with this sudden change in terrain?

The OpenCycleMap elevation data comes from the SRTM dataset, which was
obtained by taking stereoscopic images from the Space Shuttle.  There are
all sorts of things that interfered with the data capture in individual
locations, from highly-reflective things (like snow-covered mountain
peaks) preventing their elevation from being determined, to the fact that
the elevation data is treetop- or buildingtop-level, not ground level, to
inexplicably large holes in the data (see http://flic.kr/p/82QGk7 ).  My
guess would be that this region's data was recorded in two passes and
there was a dust storm or something that looked to the shuttle like a
hill.

Note that TopOSM, which uses the USGS National Elevation Dataset, doesn't
show anything there (probably because NED is clipped to the surface of
bodies of water):
http://toposm.com/us/?lat=39.0035&lon=-113.0895&zoom=12&layers=B0TT

(TopOSM also shows a lot of intermittent streams from the USGS National
Hydrography Dataset.)

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Re: [Talk-us] Sevier Lake Anomaly

2011-02-16 Thread Nathan Edgars II

On 2/16/2011 10:13 PM, Val Kartchner wrote:

What I'm asking about is this anomaly in the area of Sevier Lake:
"http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.0035&lon=-113.0895&zoom=14&layers=C";.  
What is up with this sudden change in terrain?


Most likely the quality or method of creation of the data in this area 
changes at the 39th parallel.


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[Talk-us] Sevier Lake Anomaly

2011-02-16 Thread Val Kartchner
What I'm asking about is this anomaly in the area of Sevier Lake:
"http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.0035&lon=-113.0895&zoom=14&layers=C";.  
What is up with this sudden change in terrain?

I found it because I was going to trace Sevier Lake as a lake.
("http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sevier_Lake";)  After a while I decided
that since its levels varies so much, I would leave it to a local
mapper.  I did leave what I had traced so far, just not as a lake.

There is an abandoned proposal to trace intermittent lakes.
("http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Intermittent_Lake";)  
Should this be revived?

- Val -


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