[Talk-us] The Republic of Molossia (and other micro-nations)
Something a little bit different: The Republic of Molossia is a self-declared "micro-nation" located near Dayton, NV, landlocked by the United States. The nation claims full sovereignty from the United States; however, it is recognized by neither the United States, nor any other country on Earth, as an independent nation. You have probably heard about it before, since it is one of the best-known examples of such a micro-nation in the US. Within the past few months, this "nation" has popped into OSM, complete with sloppily implemented "admin_level=2" and "boundary=national" tags, view-able here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/39.32281/-119.53908. My discussion point is whether this is a valid use of these tags. A handful of quick searches about this topic didn't turn up anything for me, so I'm assuming no precedent has been set yet. It is worth noting that this is not the only micro-nation in the US. I'm not inclined to think these tags are valid. Otherwise, there's nothing stopping me from calling my backyard its own nation, slapping together a wikipedia article, and entering it into OSM as a full-fledged nation. However, since they are still geographically based entities of interest to the public, I think they are worth mapping There is a proposal for disputed boundaries, but I don't think that's valid either since there isn't really a dispute. The nation has gone unacknowledged by the United States, and nothing has gone through the legal process between the two nations (that I'm aware of) that could constitute a "dispute". No other boundary tag is really applicable, maybe a new "boundary=micronation" would work? De facto, US law still applies in these "micronations", along with the law of whatever jurisdictions the micronation belongs to, so I don't think an admin_level tag is applicable. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] The Republic of Molossia (and other micro-nations)
I would call this map vandalism and delete. -jack -- Typos courtesy of fancy auto spell technology On September 3, 2017 6:51:27 PM EDT, Bradley White wrote: >Something a little bit different: > >The Republic of Molossia is a self-declared "micro-nation" located >near Dayton, NV, landlocked by the United States. The nation claims >full sovereignty from the United States; however, it is recognized by >neither the United States, nor any other country on Earth, as an >independent nation. You have probably heard about it before, since it >is one of the best-known examples of such a micro-nation in the US. > >Within the past few months, this "nation" has popped into OSM, >complete with sloppily implemented "admin_level=2" and >"boundary=national" tags, view-able here: >http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/39.32281/-119.53908. My >discussion point is whether this is a valid use of these tags. A >handful of quick searches about this topic didn't turn up anything for >me, so I'm assuming no precedent has been set yet. It is worth noting >that this is not the only micro-nation in the US. > >I'm not inclined to think these tags are valid. Otherwise, there's >nothing stopping me from calling my backyard its own nation, slapping >together a wikipedia article, and entering it into OSM as a >full-fledged nation. However, since they are still geographically >based entities of interest to the public, I think they are worth >mapping > >There is a proposal for disputed boundaries, but I don't think that's >valid either since there isn't really a dispute. The nation has gone >unacknowledged by the United States, and nothing has gone through the >legal process between the two nations (that I'm aware of) that could >constitute a "dispute". No other boundary tag is really applicable, >maybe a new "boundary=micronation" would work? De facto, US law still >applies in these "micronations", along with the law of whatever >jurisdictions the micronation belongs to, so I don't think an >admin_level tag is applicable. > >___ >Talk-us mailing list >Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] The Republic of Molossia (and other micro-nations)
On 03/09/2017 23:51, Bradley White wrote: Within the past few months, this "nation" has popped into OSM, complete with sloppily implemented "admin_level=2" and "boundary=national" tags, view-able here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/39.32281/-119.53908. My discussion point is whether this is a valid use of these tags. A handful of quick searches about this topic didn't turn up anything for me, so I'm assuming no precedent has been set yet. It is worth noting that this is not the only micro-nation in the US. As a "nation", I'd expect that it'd fail a verifiability test as per https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Verifiability . It might qualify as a series of "tourist attractions" (which it seems that it is mostly mapped as now, though there is also http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7341155 ), but even that's doubtful. I'd suggest commenting on changesets of the users concerned (the two most obvious ones are relatively recent mappers), saying "hello and welcome" and explaining what OSM is and what OSM is not. Maybe suggest http://opengeofiction.net/ as a place to map completely imaginary places, if it looks like that's what they are interested in doing? Best Regards, Andy ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] The Republic of Molossia (and other micro-nations)
In europe we sometimes have the same problem. deleting helps a lot ;) -walter- aka wambacher Am 04.09.2017 um 05:55 schrieb Jack Burke: I would call this map vandalism and delete. -jack ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] The Republic of Molossia (and other micro-nations)
IMO it seems absurd to condone this sort of mapping. It isn't accepted as a sovereign nation by the U.S. government and probably does not exist on any other reputable maps. Place=locality or place=neighbourhood would be fine although even then the name Molossia is a pure invention. Native-American areas are, on the contrary, recognized and hence deserving of such a boundary tag. (I haven't checked this but assume its' the case). Another issue is, where will it end? Can I feel free to create my own "republic", e.g., the Republic of Swarthout? My 2 cents AlaskaDave On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 5:51 AM, Bradley White wrote: > Something a little bit different: > > The Republic of Molossia is a self-declared "micro-nation" located > near Dayton, NV, landlocked by the United States. The nation claims > full sovereignty from the United States; however, it is recognized by > neither the United States, nor any other country on Earth, as an > independent nation. You have probably heard about it before, since it > is one of the best-known examples of such a micro-nation in the US. > > Within the past few months, this "nation" has popped into OSM, > complete with sloppily implemented "admin_level=2" and > "boundary=national" tags, view-able here: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/39.32281/-119.53908. My > discussion point is whether this is a valid use of these tags. A > handful of quick searches about this topic didn't turn up anything for > me, so I'm assuming no precedent has been set yet. It is worth noting > that this is not the only micro-nation in the US. > > I'm not inclined to think these tags are valid. Otherwise, there's > nothing stopping me from calling my backyard its own nation, slapping > together a wikipedia article, and entering it into OSM as a > full-fledged nation. However, since they are still geographically > based entities of interest to the public, I think they are worth > mapping > > There is a proposal for disputed boundaries, but I don't think that's > valid either since there isn't really a dispute. The nation has gone > unacknowledged by the United States, and nothing has gone through the > legal process between the two nations (that I'm aware of) that could > constitute a "dispute". No other boundary tag is really applicable, > maybe a new "boundary=micronation" would work? De facto, US law still > applies in these "micronations", along with the law of whatever > jurisdictions the micronation belongs to, so I don't think an > admin_level tag is applicable. > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > -- Dave Swarthout Homer, Alaska Chiang Mai, Thailand Travel Blog at http://dswarthout.blogspot.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
