Re: [Talk-us] Appalachian Trail data
I think the best way is to make a new user for each import. Then put the attribution and other information like a link back to the data source on the user page as well as a link form the imports page. Dale On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Richard Weait wrote: > On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton > wrote: > > Le 22/05/2010 20:47, Richard Weait a écrit : > > Thanks for explaining things this thoroughly. (Since no one had answer, I > > had thought i'd offer my best guess, along with the link to conditions on > > site). > > > > I have a remaining question : without a source tag, how does one later > knows > > where the data came from ? > > A source tag can certainly be handy for the next editor in evaluating > data they are tempted to change. But using a source as attribution, > or part of a legal agreement is problematic. for an import, source > probably fits better in the changeset. Also source may be implied by > the specific import-user created for the import. > > > (and, by the way, many of the imports in the catalog seem to have a > source > > tag). > > Indeed they do. > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Appalachian Trail data
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton wrote: > Le 22/05/2010 20:47, Richard Weait a écrit : > Thanks for explaining things this thoroughly. (Since no one had answer, I > had thought i'd offer my best guess, along with the link to conditions on > site). > > I have a remaining question : without a source tag, how does one later knows > where the data came from ? A source tag can certainly be handy for the next editor in evaluating data they are tempted to change. But using a source as attribution, or part of a legal agreement is problematic. for an import, source probably fits better in the changeset. Also source may be implied by the specific import-user created for the import. > (and, by the way, many of the imports in the catalog seem to have a source > tag). Indeed they do. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Appalachian Trail data
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 6:53 AM, Mike N. wrote: >> Has anyone contacted them about possible inclusion of their data into >> OSM? If not, I could try to work with them so we could include their >> data. It would be a great asset to have. > > Don't forget to include the Appalachian Trail Extension, as designated last > summer: > > http://greenvilleopenmap.info/AppalachianAccordingToSanford.JPG > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Sanford#Disappearance_and_affair > > I think that the "I've been mapping the Appalachian Trail"-jokes at SotM this year are as good an argument for an import as I've heard in a while. ;-) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Appalachian Trail data
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 5:02 AM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton wrote: > Le 21/05/2010 05:10, Eric Christensen a écrit : [ ... ] >> Has anyone contacted them about possible inclusion of their data into >> OSM? If not, I could try to work with them so we could include their >> data. It would be a great asset to have. [ ... ] > Quote from their "Data download agreement" > (http://www.appalachiantrail.org/GISagreement) > > "To access and use this data, we ask that you agree to the following > liability disclaimer and that you use proper citation (see metadata for > details) on any materials (digital or printed) in which this information > appears, and that you use the data appropriately." > > If you want to contact them, it might be good to check whether > source=... is a proper citation for them (along with attribution in the > wiki, maybe). [I don't intend to direct my comments following at the previous posters in this thread. I just want to get a few things off my chest, and on to the list. ;-) ] Please no, not the source tag as attribution. That approach was first used with TIGER import, iirc. I've even recommended it for other imports, but I now consider that a mistake. Requiring attribution in the db adds unnecessary duplication to the db and risks removal by future editors. When in discussion with data publishers, I recommend, in order of preference: - asking them to relicense under PDDL to make their data available to the broadest range of projects, not just OSM. - asking them to contribute their data explicitly to OSM under the current ccbysa and future ODbL with no additional strings. - asking them to contribute their data explicitly to OSM under the current ccbysa and future ODbL and explicitly accept mention on the wiki as suitable attribution, for example: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution or http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue Please note that this single page does not scale and will have to eventually be split into sub-pages. When considering imports, please consider the background and experience or previous OSM imports and importers. There are OSM contributors who believe that imports are bad for OSM. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Import/Guidelines#Are_imports_bad.3F Do read, understand and follow the import guidelines. Consider joining the imports mailing list and finding somebody with previous successful import experience to help if you are new to OSM imports. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Appalachian Trail data
> Has anyone contacted them about possible inclusion of their data into > OSM? If not, I could try to work with them so we could include their > data. It would be a great asset to have. Don't forget to include the Appalachian Trail Extension, as designated last summer: http://greenvilleopenmap.info/AppalachianAccordingToSanford.JPG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Sanford#Disappearance_and_affair ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Appalachian Trail data
Le 21/05/2010 05:10, Eric Christensen a écrit : > I'm getting ready to hike a small portion of the Appalachian Trail (AT) > and was looking for data to put into my GPS. It appears that portions > of the AT have been added to OSM with some missing sections. > > The Appalachian Trail Conservancy has some interesting information on > their website[1] which looks like good information for OSM but I don't > see any licensing information, at first glance. > > Has anyone contacted them about possible inclusion of their data into > OSM? If not, I could try to work with them so we could include their > data. It would be a great asset to have. > > > [1] > http://www.appalachiantrail.org/site/c.mqLTIYOwGlF/b.4805623/k.438D/Appalachian_Trail_GIS_and_GPS_Data.htm > > Thanks, > Eric Christensen > > > ___ > Hi, Quote from their "Data download agreement" (http://www.appalachiantrail.org/GISagreement) "To access and use this data, we ask that you agree to the following liability disclaimer and that you use proper citation (see metadata for details) on any materials (digital or printed) in which this information appears, and that you use the data appropriately." If you want to contact them, it might be good to check whether source=... is a proper citation for them (along with attribution in the wiki, maybe). Happy hiking ! Jean-Guilhem ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Appalachian Trail data
Yup, Then it's a good reason to go an physically survey it. It's fine to load the .gpx file onto your device... as long as your physically hiking/waking/driving to the TrailHeads, it's fine to use... then you manualy update OSM that way. ... just because the AT data is "Official" doesn't mean that it is actually accurate to the physical land. I am finding the same with the Trans Canada Trail gpx data. In some cases, the source data was collected a long time ago and local area trail groups have changed the trail but didn't tell the Master Source of Trans Canada Trail that it's been updated. (and sometimes the origional data was collected when the trail is along railbeds that are in Canyons so the GPS recieves a poor signal. In those area's i see a 20 meter difference. And in other areas i found that the route is changed. Happy Hiking :-) You can also post your trail/route over on GPSies.com & that system will donate your GPS tracks to OSM. So it's a Win-win. (GPSies.com also uses OpenCycleMap as a background map so that's great too) Cheers, Sam Vekemans Across Canada Trails ... PS. Im getting ready to bike the entire Trans Canada Trail. but there is one problem. .. the Trans Canada Trail is a "Greenway" and not a Biking Trail nor is it a "hiking trail" ... LOL :-) ... at least the Appalachian Trail is actually a designated "Hiking Trail", PPS. yes, im also working on the National Hiking Trail (unfortunately the folks working on it have sold their sole to the Trans Canada Trail) :( ... so that knowone will be able to actually use the TCT end-to-end oh well, more work for me :-) (see above username) :-) but 1st I need a detailed basemap. So for you, it's a good thing that TIGER has already been imported, so its just a matter of correcting as you go. On Thu, May 20, 2010 8:10 PM, Eric Christensen wrote: > I'm getting ready to hike a small portion of the Appalachian Trail (AT) > and was looking for data to put into my GPS. It appears that portions > of the AT have been added to OSM with some missing sections. > > The Appalachian Trail Conservancy has some interesting information on > their website[1] which looks like good information for OSM but I don't > see any licensing information, at first glance. > > Has anyone contacted them about possible inclusion of their data into > OSM? If not, I could try to work with them so we could include their > data. It would be a great asset to have. > > > [1] > > http://www.appalachiantrail.org/site/c.mqLTIYOwGlF/b.4805623/k.438D/Appalachian_Trail_GIS_and_GPS_Data.htm > > Thanks, > Eric Christensen > > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Appalachian Trail not rendering
Just did some editing in the Mt Washington area. Tagged all hiking trails as: highway=path, foot=designated. Also added the Appalachian Trail segment to the Appalachian Trail Route Relation, and then renamed the appropriate sections to Crawford Path, and Gulfside Trail as those are the local trail names. Zeke Burlington, VT On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Bill Ricker wrote: > I looked since someone asked > > > Do these[Lambertus maps] include hiking trails / tracks too? > > Yes, but there's a universal render or data problems with some trails. > > Lambertus and http://osm.org/go/ZfZ1jfd0-?layers=0B00FTF > both have local trails on Mt Washington, like > > Lion Head Trail http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/42185886 >* name: Lion Head Trail >* highway: path > > but neither show > > The Appalachian Trail http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/32605362 >* name: Appalachaian Trail >* surface: dirt >* route: hiking >* created_by: Potlatch 0.10f > > Looks like we need a robo edit to add highway= tags to the AT and > anything similarly tagged. > > -- > Bill > n1...@arrl.net bill.n1...@gmail.com > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Appalachian Trail
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 4:17 AM, Alex S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Adam Schreiber wrote: >> Is there any reason to not upload this data? > > This provision could be a sticking point: > "that you use proper citation (see metadata for details) on any > materials (digital or printed) in which this information appears" The gpx tracks I'm using seem to simply list ATC as the source in the data so I'm adding source=ATC to the uploads. The data's being added under the user sadam-AT in case it needs to be pulled at some point though. I'm also saving the .osm files after uploading so I can remove things quickly if need be. Not that I've gotten very far yet. Cheers, Adam > > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Appalachian Trail
Adam Schreiber wrote: > Is there any reason to not upload this data? This provision could be a sticking point: "that you use proper citation (see metadata for details) on any materials (digital or printed) in which this information appears" ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Appalachian Trail
Adam Schreiber wrote: > On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 12:02 PM, Adam Killian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Adam Schreiber wrote: >> >>> The Appalachian Trail Conservancy makes track and shelter data >>> available for download [1] under a fairly simple agreement [2]. >>> Furthermore, someone has already converted the data to gpx [3]. Is >>> there any reason to not upload this data? Has anyone been working on >>> the AT already? >>> >>> >>> >> I added the parts that I've actually hiked in southern Pennsylvania, and >> I've added most of the shelters in Pennsylvania, too. >> > > Does that include Pine Grove Furnace? I'm having some of that > rendered now so I can what you've done. > Yes, I've hiked everything from Caledonia SP to Duncannon. IIRC my GPS reception was terrible for everything south of Boiling Springs, so it could be pretty far off in that area. Here's an area I hiked this spring. I tagged the shelter and the privy. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.36308&lon=-77.06781&zoom=17&layers=00B0FTF ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Appalachian Trail
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 12:02 PM, Adam Killian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Adam Schreiber wrote: >> >> The Appalachian Trail Conservancy makes track and shelter data >> available for download [1] under a fairly simple agreement [2]. >> Furthermore, someone has already converted the data to gpx [3]. Is >> there any reason to not upload this data? Has anyone been working on >> the AT already? >> >> > > I added the parts that I've actually hiked in southern Pennsylvania, and > I've added most of the shelters in Pennsylvania, too. Does that include Pine Grove Furnace? I'm having some of that rendered now so I can what you've done. > There are also some random parts of the AT that seem to have come in through > the TIGER import. My guess is that the TIGER data should be eliminated and the new stuff should be tagged as footway. Though, if you can provide a permalink to a section you did, I can compare it vs the gpx files. Cheers, Adam ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
