Re: [Talk-us] Categorizing Stores/Restaurants
One of the first times I remember having a similar thought of how do I tag this? was with the office supply store Staples. I ended up using shop=office but doing a quick XAPI query now I see that out of the ~250 Staples shops mapped, the tags look like this like this: 6 office_supply 17 office 23 office_supplies 26 supermarket 134 stationery Plus a bunch of random ones. Now the wiki does say shop=stationary is for office supplies but I suspect this tag has British origins and they weren't thinking of this kind of office super-store that sells computer software and hardware and office furniture in addition to the post-it notes, staples and paper products that might fit under my understanding of the word stationary So I wouldn't be opposed to coming up with some suggested tag values for large retail chains to help keep them consistent. Of course the trick is to get people to agree on tags :) Toby ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Categorizing Stores/Restaurants
Businesses don't make it easy when they go by multiple names. Is it IBM or International Business Machines? BMW or Bayerische Motoren Werke or Bavarian Motor Works? This applies to people too. Is it Bill Clinton or William Clinton? One is technically correct but no one uses it. I'm sure you'll find similar issues with punctuation. IBM or I.B.M.? Starbucks Coffee? In your example of QFC, I'd tag it name=QFC and maybe throw in an alternate_name= or note=. -Dion Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 16:58:40 -0700 From: Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us To: Josh Kraayenbrink j...@kraayenbrink.net, talk-us@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Categorizing Stores/Restaurants Message-ID: BANLkTi=4jgfj0klbmxrqtincvb-ejf9...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I'm a newbie and I've come across similar problems. However, maybe the solution isn't so much in tags, but a need to normalize *if that's the right word the data. Your example of Sears is good. If I populate a store with Sears, why can't I get a potlatch pull down that gives me all the correct tags for Sears. Locally we have a grocery chain, QFC. OSM has it listed as QFC, QFC Supermarket, QFC (Quality Food Center). and oddly enought, QFC Parking. Since QFC is wholly owned by Kroger, there doesn't seem to be a official name. Kroger refers to them as QFC and Quality Food Centers (QFC). My point is that there is lots of opportunity for interpretation when entering data. Is it possible for potlatch to give suggestions to improve the data? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Categorizing Stores/Restaurants
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 07:52:15PM +, dion_d...@comcast.net wrote: Businesses don't make it easy when they go by multiple names. Is it IBM or International Business Machines? I'm sure you'll find similar issues with punctuation. IBM or I.B.M.? Only the New York Times insists on I.B.M. Even we at the company just call it IBM. In your example of QFC, I'd tag it name=QFC and maybe throw in an alternate_name= or note=. That sounds like good advice. -- Kristian Zoerhoff kristian.zoerh...@gmail.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Categorizing Stores/Restaurants
Isn't there already a page for the shop=* tag? -- Kristian M Zoerhoff On Jun 14, 2011 6:05 PM, Josh Kraayenbrink j...@kraayenbrink.net wrote: Is there any page on the wiki that has a methodology or straight up categories of stores and restaurants? I was thinking about creating a page to help those that don't know what to enter for tags, mostly the amenity tag. Either alphabetical by amenity or alphabetical by store. This would be helpful to get a on consensus on some of the more questionable ones. I was tagging local poi's and was confused as to what to tag a few of them. Good/bad idea? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Categorizing Stores/Restaurants
It is, but what is the convention in the states for tagging, say, Sears? Department store? Hardware store? other store? The only way you know these things is if you do A LOT of mapping and start to figure out what needs to go where. What if a newbie comes across this and they don't know what to do. Where do you turn them to? Or do you just help them with every request? Sorry for the response in questions, I am just trying to rationalize this out loud. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Categorizing Stores/Restaurants
I'm a newbie and I've come across similar problems. However, maybe the solution isn't so much in tags, but a need to normalize *if that's the right word the data. Your example of Sears is good. If I populate a store with Sears, why can't I get a potlatch pull down that gives me all the correct tags for Sears. Locally we have a grocery chain, QFC. OSM has it listed as QFC, QFC Supermarket, QFC (Quality Food Center). and oddly enought, QFC Parking. Since QFC is wholly owned by Kroger, there doesn't seem to be a official name. Kroger refers to them as QFC and Quality Food Centers (QFC). My point is that there is lots of opportunity for interpretation when entering data. Is it possible for potlatch to give suggestions to improve the data? On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Josh Kraayenbrink j...@kraayenbrink.netwrote: It is, but what is the convention in the states for tagging, say, Sears? Department store? Hardware store? other store? The only way you know these things is if you do A LOT of mapping and start to figure out what needs to go where. What if a newbie comes across this and they don't know what to do. Where do you turn them to? Or do you just help them with every request? Sorry for the response in questions, I am just trying to rationalize this out loud. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- I have promised to cut down on my swearing and drinking, which I have. Unfortunately, this has left me dim-witted and nearly speechless. Adapted from *The Lion* by Nelson DeMille -or- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. Albert Einstein ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Categorizing Stores/Restaurants
I would think Sears = department store; they called themselves that for many years. I think something like Super Wal-Mart or (here in the Midwest) Meijer is tougher; is it department store, clothing, grocery, or something else? I'd rather have a newbie ask a million times, if they learn from it, but if they make a reasonable guess, that's fine, as we can always refine the data. -- Kristian M Zoerhoff On Jun 14, 2011 6:32 PM, Josh Kraayenbrink j...@kraayenbrink.net wrote: It is, but what is the convention in the states for tagging, say, Sears? Department store? Hardware store? other store? The only way you know these things is if you do A LOT of mapping and start to figure out what needs to go where. What if a newbie comes across this and they don't know what to do. Where do you turn them to? Or do you just help them with every request? Sorry for the response in questions, I am just trying to rationalize this out loud. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Categorizing Stores/Restaurants
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Kristian Zoerhoff kristian.zoerh...@gmail.com wrote: I would think Sears = department store; they called themselves that for many years. I think something like Super Wal-Mart or (here in the Midwest) Meijer is tougher; is it department store, clothing, grocery, or something else? I'd rather have a newbie ask a million times, if they learn from it, but if they make a reasonable guess, that's fine, as we can always refine the data. I think of Meijer as a department store, though it's a big one. I wouldn't complain if somebody added a separate node for a grocery store as well. Same with some of the other super-type stores I've seen. I think the Brits are calling them Ultra-Markets? Adding tag for the internal fastfood, photomat and bank isn't bad. Is there a way to predict exactly which services will be at one of these ultra markets? Which one has a leather-repair / shoe repair? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Categorizing Stores/Restaurants
On 6/14/11 10:25 PM, Kristian Zoerhoff wrote: I would think Sears = department store; they called themselves that for many years. I think something like Super Wal-Mart or (here in the Midwest) Meijer is tougher; is it department store, clothing, grocery, or something else? the variety of goods forces department store for the walmart/target type stores. i know it seems peculiar, because we're used to a higher quality of goods in department stores, but discount department stores are still department stores. richard ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
