Re: [Talk-us] Mass deletion in shawnee county, ks
2013/5/28 Serge Wroclawski > If you want to be part of this community, meaning the OpenStreetMap > community in the United States, I and others would welcome you, but > you should be participatory and follow the guidelines that this > community (the DWG and then the US Community) has regarding imports. > +1 Mike, I am astonished that you still perform imports without respecting the import guidelines, several years ago there was a similar situation when you had imported this approximative Corine data in central Italy (as a collateral effect to your imports in Kosovo) over already existing manually mapped objects, which then last year caused some problems in the license change. Please adhere to the guidelines for imports, automated edits etc. or even better, go outside and then map like most OSM mappers do ;-) cheers, Martin ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Mass deletion in shawnee county, ks
Mike, There are multiple components to this situation, but I want to start with the most timely and important, not so much for you, as for others in the US community who might be unaware of the situation in its complexities. Paul Norman is not a rogue mapper, he is a member of the DWG, OSM's arbiter of what is and isn't allowed in the OSM database, so if he has taken an action, it is presumably either with the DWG, or with the implicit seniority that Paul's work or association carries with it. Secondly, to re-emphasize what Paul said- you have not followed the DWG's guidelines regarding imports, and according to your own mail, you are continuing not to follow those guidelines through use of automated editing (a bot). Thirdly, from my perspective you never contacted or contributed to the US Import Committee, either meeting or mailing list- if you had, then you'd know that our processes are even more stringent than those of the DWG. Yet Toby (who you CCed) has been able to follow them (and has helped clarify and expand them). So it's doable, and it's doable by people you want to be part of this conversation. Fourthly, you have been a part of this project for several years and know the issues about imports, and certainly know the importance of community discussion and approval in relation to imports. In fact, you have felt so strongly about the OSM community, that several years back, you decided to be part of an OSM fork, which you continue to advertise in your mail sig. If you want to be part of this community, meaning the OpenStreetMap community in the United States, I and others would welcome you, but you should be participatory and follow the guidelines that this community (the DWG and then the US Community) has regarding imports. - Serge ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Mass deletion in shawnee county, ks
> From: Mike Dupont [mailto:jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com] > Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 8:45 PM > To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org; Toby Murray; the Old Topo Depot; Paul > Norman > Subject: Mass deletion in shawnee county, ks > > Hi all, I would like some help here. I have spent the past 6 months > working on the shawnee county and now douglass county.. Now paul norman > has decided to delete massive amounts of data and refuses to even > discuss or work with me on this. > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/16288086 > Is anyone interested in helping out on this? I feel horrible about this > situation and would like to resolve it. Yes I did not follow all > procedures on this, but have not caused any problems, I have now a bot > to clean up any badly named streets. Also I have dont months of manual > cleanup. this effort is being undermined. I'll quote my previous message to Mike > From: Paul Norman [mailto:penor...@mac.com] > Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 11:50 PM > To: 'Mike Dupont' > Imports have certain requirements. Last time you ignored them with Shawnee > county data you were told you need you needed to use a dedicated account > and consult with the community. A number of issues were raised including > some clear bugs (e.g. addr:street like First AVENUE). You said "I will > just finish cleaning it up manually then, and wont import any more" > > You then proceeded to continue the import after a few month break, exactly > as before, without even fixing the clear bugs. Everything reverted should have been from April, not from earlier stuff you were fixing up. In short, you were told previously to not import without meeting the requirements, you said you wouldn't import any more, then you did so anyways. > I ask only that we find a good > solution to the issue without just random deletion. If there's a case where non-imported data was affected, that's something that can be fixed. Do you have specific object IDs? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
