Re: [Talk-us] STOP - All vehicles must register

[Paul Johnson]

On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 1:10 PM, Kevin Kenny 
wrote:

> The case of non-hard-surface roads brought this to mind.  There are a few
> roads across the Adirondack Park that are open to the public (in summer)
> and have endpoints that look like
>
> http://i65.tinypic.com/2enq9ew.jpg
>

Map the stop and map the information board.
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Re: [Talk-us] STOP - All vehicles must register

[Shawn K. Quinn]

On 04/24/2018 03:16 PM, Peter Dobratz wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 11:10 AM Kevin Kenny
> > wrote:
>> 
>> The case of non-hard-surface roads brought this to mind.
>> [...]>> The requirement is that vehicles (or bicycles,
pedestrians, horses,
>> etc.) must stop, and the party leader fills out an entry in the book
>> that's kept in one of the boxes on the kiosk.
> > The first thing that comes to mind is a barrier=toll_booth:
> 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:barrier%3Dtoll_booth
> 
> Perhaps also with a fee=no to indicate that you don't have to pay any money.

Looks like troll tagging to me. barrier=toll_booth is wrong on both
counts; there isn't necessarily a physical barrier (the gate might be
open, yet vehicles are still required to register) and there's no toll
being collected. Adding fee=no is just going to confuse people even
more. To me, it makes as much sense as highway=footway and foot=no.

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Re: [Talk-us] STOP - All vehicles must register

[Peter Dobratz]

The first thing that comes to mind is a barrier=toll_booth:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:barrier%3Dtoll_booth

Perhaps also with a fee=no to indicate that you don't have to pay any money.

Peter

On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 11:10 AM Kevin Kenny 
wrote:

> The case of non-hard-surface roads brought this to mind.  There are a few
> roads across the Adirondack Park that are open to the public (in summer)
> and have endpoints that look like
>
> http://i65.tinypic.com/2enq9ew.jpg
>
> In this case, I already recognize - tag the two cabins (they are a ranger
> station, not often staffed), the gate, the outhouse, the well, perhaps the
> signage. But what to do about the kiosk/register?
>
> The requirement is that vehicles (or bicycles, pedestrians, horses, etc.)
> must stop, and the party leader fills out an entry in the book that's kept
> in one of the boxes on the kiosk. (There happen to be two books at that
> location; one for vehicles that are merely traversing the road and another
> for hikers, skiers, and riders who are venturing off-road into the
> backcountry) The understood procedure is that it's all right to pass as
> long as the gate is unlocked, and the expectation is that drivers will
> leave the gate as they found it - close it if they opened it.
>
> Is there an OSM tag for "this is where you stop and execute formalities"
> that I've missed? I know that calling it out as an access restriction on
> the road has been controversial, and I don't tag that because any scheme
> gets someone up in arms. For this reason, tagging that registration is a
> requirement to drive on the road is Out Of Scope. I'm simply trying to tag
> the on-the-ground "this is where you stop and register."
>
> By the way, I'd tag the road in the picture as at least
> highway=unclassified and possibly even tertiary. In the seasons when it's
> open (usually late April to early November, depending on snow conditions)
> it's the main route between the villages of Indian Lake and Inlet, and when
> it's closed the trip is many miles longer. The registration requirement is
> largely to make sure that drivers have all the warnings in front of their
> faces - they're going to be spending the next hour driving on an unpaved
> road across some very forbidding country, with no services available and no
> mobile phone coverage nor radio call boxes. (It's also there because Search
> and Rescue isn't going to give quite the same treatment if someone goes
> missing without having signed in.)
>
> There are simpler but similar setups on some footways - where the hiker
> must not only register, but take the carbon copy along as proof of
> registration. (The plan is that sometimes the number of forms will be
> limited as a primitive means of 'first come, first served' capacity
> control. I don't think it's ever actually got that far.)
>
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