Re: [Talk-us] USGS Topos, "Draw", "Gulch", etc.

[Dave Swarthout]

> Could be a canyon, or the stream at the bottom of it.  Context is king
when it comes to the names we gave things in the US.

+1

That would be my answer as well. In my experience working mostly in Alaska,
a "gulch" is usually a valley.

On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 1:38 AM Mike Thompson  wrote:

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> On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 12:30 PM Tod Fitch  wrote:
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> > With respect to names on USGS topographic maps: At least on most of the
> old “historic” quads I have they used a different typeface/typographic
> treatment for waterways versus valleys/canyons/draws/gulches. So you might
> take your clue from that.
> >
> Good point! On the particular map I am looking at creeks are labelled with
> a serif font and the "draws" etc. use a sanserif font.
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Re: [Talk-us] USGS Topos, "Draw", "Gulch", etc.

[Tod Fitch]

> On Jun 1, 2020, at 10:59 AM, Paul Johnson  wrote:
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> On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 12:57 PM Mike Thompson  > wrote:
> Do the names on the USGS Topo Maps that end in "Draw", "Gulch", and similar 
> terms refer to a stream, or a valley?  I have always assumed a stream, and 
> applied the name to waterway=stream in OSM, but perhaps that is not correct.
> 
> Could be a canyon, or the stream at the bottom of it.  Context is king when 
> it comes to the names we gave things in the US.


I concur that it could be either the canyon or the stream at the bottom.

But it seems in the desert southwest the “stream”, in the bottom is usually 
ephemeral so it is more likely to be the canyon/arroyo. In that case I tag it 
as natural=valley.

With respect to names on USGS topographic maps: At least on most of the old 
“historic” quads I have they used a different typeface/typographic treatment 
for waterways versus valleys/canyons/draws/gulches. So you might take your clue 
from that.



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Re: [Talk-us] USGS Topos, "Draw", "Gulch", etc.

[Mike Thompson]

On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 12:30 PM Tod Fitch  wrote:
>
>
>
>
> With respect to names on USGS topographic maps: At least on most of the
old “historic” quads I have they used a different typeface/typographic
treatment for waterways versus valleys/canyons/draws/gulches. So you might
take your clue from that.
>
Good point! On the particular map I am looking at creeks are labelled with
a serif font and the "draws" etc. use a sanserif font.
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Re: [Talk-us] USGS Topos, "Draw", "Gulch", etc.

[Mark Wagner]

On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 11:56:57 -0600
Mike Thompson  wrote:

> Do the names on the USGS Topo Maps that end in "Draw", "Gulch", and
> similar terms refer to a stream, or a valley?  I have always assumed
> a stream, and applied the name to waterway=stream in OSM, but perhaps
> that is not correct.

What color is the name?  If it's blue, it refers to a water feature.
If it's black, it could refer to either the water or some other
geographic feature: USGS cartography for this has changed over time.

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Re: [Talk-us] USGS Topos, "Draw", "Gulch", etc.

[Paul Johnson]

On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 12:57 PM Mike Thompson  wrote:

> Do the names on the USGS Topo Maps that end in "Draw", "Gulch", and
> similar terms refer to a stream, or a valley?  I have always assumed a
> stream, and applied the name to waterway=stream in OSM, but perhaps that is
> not correct.
>

Could be a canyon, or the stream at the bottom of it.  Context is king when
it comes to the names we gave things in the US.
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