Re: [Tango-L] Switching roles
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:58:49 -0400, Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Really? And which milongas in BsAs accept switching roles? I can only recall La Marshall - and that's because it's a gay milonga. Try the tourist milongas. I've seen a gay gouple dancing at the Ideal. The follower in particular had clean, excellent technique. I suspect there wouldn't be more than raised eyebrows at venues like Porten~o y Bailarin. I know. Now there will be a hue and cry about how tourists are contaminating BA with their impure ways. Christopher Keith, HK On Tue Sep 11 23:42 , Lois Donnay sent: After my Following for Leaders class last night, the men sat around talking. One question came up. We know there are milongas in Buenos Aires where switching roles is acceptable. Are there any other communities in the world where men are free to dance with men, women with women, etc? Are the milongas billed specially or is this acceptable in regular milongas? We also lamented the lack of male teachers who can follow, and the number of men who teach on the floor. Ladies, when you pick teachers or listen to your leaders, do you take into consideration whether they can follow? Loisa Donnay (adding the a in preparation for BsAs) Minneapolis, MN ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Switching roles
Sometimes near the end of the milonga (Buenos Aires), Ruben and I exchange roles without stopping while dancing, and then switch back. We only go to conservative milongas and everyone knows us, but still, sometimes people look at us in shock. Cherie http://tangocherie.blogspot.com/ ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Switching roles
I've seen Tete often switching leads with his followers (as below) at some of the major milongas . I've occassionally seen women leading women, even tho it is frowned upon, at the end of milongas ... (seems to me the reaction also depended on how good the woman leader was !!!) Ilene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sometimes near the end of the milonga (Buenos Aires), Ruben and I exchange roles without stopping while dancing, and then switch back. We only go to conservative milongas and everyone knows us, but still, sometimes people look at us in shock. Cherie http://tangocherie.blogspot.com/ ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Switching roles
Although the milongas in BsAs are called gay milongas, the majority of people who go there are not gay. They are mostly young, they are all kinds of people, foreigners and porteno's, and women are just as likely to lead men as men lead men or women lead women. I saw a lovely performance once at Club Espanol by an older couple. Somewhere in the middle, almost imperceptibly, they changed roles. A little later they changed back again. It was beautiful, and the crowd loved it. Loisa - Original Message - From: Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tango-L Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Switching roles Really? And which milongas in BsAs accept switching roles? I can only recall La Marshall - and that's because it's a gay milonga. Keith, HK On Tue Sep 11 23:42 , Lois Donnay sent: After my Following for Leaders class last night, the men sat around talking. One question came up. We know there are milongas in Buenos Aires where switching roles is acceptable. Are there any other communities in the world where men are free to dance with men, women with women, etc? Are the milongas billed specially or is this acceptable in regular milongas? We also lamented the lack of male teachers who can follow, and the number of men who teach on the floor. Ladies, when you pick teachers or listen to your leaders, do you take into consideration whether they can follow? Loisa Donnay (adding the a in preparation for BsAs) Minneapolis, MN ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Switching roles
Have you noticed that many people who switch roles, especially Argentinos, don't actually switch lead and follow. The man is still leading but doing followers steps and leading the leader's steps. It's the same thing that makes many men difficult to lead. They seem to think they need to know and do the followers steps, rather than being lead to do them. Best regards, Robin Tara Design, Inc. www.taratangoshoes.com Toll Free in US: 1-877-906-8272 18 Stillman St. So. Portland ME 04106 207-741-2992-- From: Lois Donnay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:15:29 -0500 To: Tango-L tango-l@mit.edu Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Switching roles Although the milongas in BsAs are called gay milongas, the majority of people who go there are not gay. They are mostly young, they are all kinds of people, foreigners and porteno's, and women are just as likely to lead men as men lead men or women lead women. I saw a lovely performance once at Club Espanol by an older couple. Somewhere in the middle, almost imperceptibly, they changed roles. A little later they changed back again. It was beautiful, and the crowd loved it. Loisa - Original Message - From: Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tango-L Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Switching roles Really? And which milongas in BsAs accept switching roles? I can only recall La Marshall - and that's because it's a gay milonga. Keith, HK On Tue Sep 11 23:42 , Lois Donnay sent: After my Following for Leaders class last night, the men sat around talking. One question came up. We know there are milongas in Buenos Aires where switching roles is acceptable. Are there any other communities in the world where men are free to dance with men, women with women, etc? Are the milongas billed specially or is this acceptable in regular milongas? We also lamented the lack of male teachers who can follow, and the number of men who teach on the floor. Ladies, when you pick teachers or listen to your leaders, do you take into consideration whether they can follow? Loisa Donnay (adding the a in preparation for BsAs) Minneapolis, MN ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] There is no such thing as...
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:39:23 +0200 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is no such thing as... ...bad publicity. Yes there is. I received an email privately with only the url in question in the body of the message. It was not posted to any public forum that I know of. Probably whoever sent it hoped that someone else such as yourself would post it in a public forum.. Too bad, it seems that something that was kept out of the discussion forums is now grist for the public mill. I know nothing about the facts of this affair except for what I read. I don't want to participate in dragging people through the mud, particularly since I don't know the truth. I hope others will also take the high road and leave this stuff alone. Manuel ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] ...bad publicity.
On 12 Sep 2007 at 12:13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aron just what do you find amusing here? http://www.westword.com/2007-08-02/news/dirty-dancing/full I didn't read anything amusing in it at all. Perhaps you didn't actually read the entire piece? It involved quite a bit more than a teacher touching a thigh. Or is it that you endorse this kind of behavior and think that women should just keep their mouths shut and not create any problems for creeps like Chas? I find the story most amusing... ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] There is no such thing as...
Ecsedy, You need to reread the story very carefully. It describes multiple acts that a reasonable person would describe as abuse, and tells of many things that can't be construed as legitimate teaching techniques by any stretch of the imagination. Why didn't they just slap the guy and ask for their $$$ back? You'd be surprised how much women grit their teeth and put up with on a daily basis, when survival or just something they want badly is at stake. Christopher On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:39:23 +0200, Ecsedy Áron [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: ...bad publicity. http://www.westword.com/2007-08-02/news/dirty-dancing/full I find the story most amusing... Here, rather those women would be sent to a psychiatrist (by any sane member of the society)... Sueing a teacher for touching your thigh??? Even if the guy is officially a perv that's far fetched. Why not sue your masseur for touching you at places??? Ever heard about a decently sized slap? Also, making someone touch your privates against her will is closer to a rape charge than harassment. However, to me it seems there was no force or threats involved. Aron -- Ecsedy Áron *** Aron ECSEDY Tel: +36 20 66-24-071 http://www.milonga.hu/ http://www.holgyvalasz.hu/ ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] New milonga review: Corazon de Tango Milonga - Portland, OR
Hi Sorin, I found your subject line a bit misleading. I expected to see the review but instead your posting is really just an announcement (that such a review is available elsewhere). Perhaps the subject could have reflected this (e.g. New milonga review posted on my site or something similar). BTW, I am not even going to get into the Tango-A vs. Tango-L thing, and I am not advocating that you move your announcements to Tango-A (though others might). I am actually not claiming that anything has to be changed, but perhaps you would be OK with getting feedback. I do find myself slightly irritated from time to time when I click on postings only to find them being just links to personal blogs without any substance on the linked content being part of the Tango-L posting itself. I realize that this practice is perhaps an inevitable development, in line with the rise of blogs. It has been happening here on Tango-L more frequently in recent years. Miles with his one-line link-posts comes to mind. All that said, I think your milonga reviews are a great idea and I really appreciate your efforts, as well as those of Miles and others, to share your experiences, opinions, and knowledge. And I really mean it - this is not just a polite closing sentence. With best regards, Konstantin Victoria, Canada On 9/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The review received from Elizabeth Brinton of Seattle was posted on : http://www.milongareview.com The direct link is : http://www.milongareview.com/2007/09/portlandor-corazon-de-tango-milonga-fri.html If you were in attendance please feel free to add your comments (signed or anonymous), and please feel free to disagree the author. While you are on the site, check out the other reviews and add your comments if you attended any of the events. Please feel free to submit new reviews for events you attended (you can email them to me and I'll post them on the website shortly) Cheers Sorin ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] There is no such a thing as bad publicity.
Why didn't they just slap the guy and ask for their $$$ back? You'd be surprised how much women grit their teeth and put up with on a daily basis, when survival or just something they want badly is at stake. I find absurd that a woman will grit her teeth, continue taking lessons from somebody that behaves like the teacher in question and then go and take him to court. The tango community is small enough that talking these matters with other members of the group will cause some of the organizers of events or some or the managers of the milongas to have a talk with the teacher in question...and women that do not like this type of 'training' not to take lessons from him or even a more adult behavior, those women should have an open discussion of the subject with the teacher himself or have the subject discussed by the whole group. You have to be very naive to think that overt sexual touching and talk is the same as tango, and then you should assume that there is something drastically wrong with a male that perseveres in a behavior when it is obvious that it is not well received. Best regards, Sergio. _ A place for moms to take a break! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHMloc=us ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
