[Tango-L] the first person to choreograph
... the first person to choreograph Argentine Tango for professional dancers on the stage. ... the fist film ever devoted to the tango was called El tango de la muerte (1917). It makes me wonder where authors derive the self-certain confidence from for statements on the first origins. I can but guess that it generates from a safe harbour of limited knowledge and/or a decidedly partial admiration. But the boundaries of knowledge can usually be further extended. So what might have been the first film ever devoted to tango I do not pretend to know, but I know of Oskar Messter productions on tango (short films) as early as 1908 in Germany, encouraged by the tango hype in Paris and Berlin in 1907 and 1908, when Argentine dancers and musicians introduced tango in Europa and (choreographed;) professional tango revues started to be staged in Paris and Berlin. I know of several tango films produced in 1913 in Germany with titles like Tangofieber (tango fever), Tangozauber (tango enchantment) Tango-Königin (Tango Queen). And Charles Spencer Chaplin dancing tango in the 1914 film tango tangles. Anna _ Unbegrenzter Speicherplatz für Ihr E-Mail Postfach? Jetzt aktivieren! http://www.digitaledienste.web.de/freemail/club/lp/?lp=7 ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
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Istanbul could be the second with the quality of dance, dancers, venues and instructors. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
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Istanbul could be the second with the quality of dance, dancers, venues and instructors. I have been to Hotel Armada, Tango Jeans, Bailatango and Old City milongas in Istanbul. Bailatango I arrived around 1am (yes, I did! And a kind couple I asked for directions to that part of Istiklal guided and bodyguarded me all the way there from Taksim square, about 20 minutes walk), so it was quite empty but the dances I got were impressive. Very fast steps and very definite, bold leads, you embrace and wheeeh- off you go, no time to think. Next time Paul kindly took me to the Old City milonga and I had the time of my life ! Wow ! Never met dancers like this anywhere ! Esp. when I finally got asked to dance by a man I had been watching on the floor for two days already, at Armada the day before too. My God,, what a tango ! The combination of great skill, passion and manliness thrilled me. In the end a man standing by the bar clapped wildy, cheered and called out to us:I watched you. You made my day, you are the best couple here ! That is when I confessed to this Turk that I had been waiting for him to ask me since yesterday and he smiled shyly. Love this place. Which other milongas do you recommend, Nedret? And by the way, Aydogan, if you read this, here finally is my chance to say how much I love tango in Istanbul ! ; ) Hope to see you all again and meet you too, Nedret. Astrid, Tokyo ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] Singer on Color Tango | Timeless Tango [EAN 611077970921]
Can anyone tell me the name of the singer on this album? Thanks. -- Chris ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Last tango in Bs. As.
Yes, it's tradition, and when La Cumparsita begins, everyone on the floor applauds. It's so lovely. Other traditions are no female singers, and you're correct, it's bad luck to dance to Adios Muchachos. Also Carlos Gardel recordings are never played at milongas in Buenos Aires. Cherie http://tangocherie.blogspot.com/ In a message dated 1/20/08 7:04:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've been told that traditionally the last song played at a milonga in Buenos Aires is La Cumpasita. A friend of mine, a retiree who has traveled to Bs. As. several times, staying there months on end, said that this is not so. I don't know how often he stayed to the very end. To the people in Bs. As., does this tradition exist? And if it exists, how often is it observed? I've been told that the Porten~o DJs don't play Adios Muchachos because it means you're going to die. Do they think that? ** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] Last tango in Bs. As.
I've been told that traditionally the last song played at a milonga in Buenos Aires is La Cumpasita. A friend of mine, a retiree who has traveled to Bs. As. several times, staying there months on end, said that this is not so. I don't know how often he stayed to the very end. To the people in Bs. As., does this tradition exist? And if it exists, how often is it observed? I've been told that the Porten~o DJs don't play Adios Muchachos because it means you're going to die. Do they think that? Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] A True tango - Copes
I don't have anything bad to say about Copes as a father of the modern tango, just teachers (and there are plenty of them) who still use his eight step basic to teach. Typically they don't tell students anything about connection, navigation or embrace, even though in many cases they know better, they just keep moving into more complex sequences in subsequent lessons. In many cases they also do not correct basic errors such as poor posture. Even if these things are mentioned they are soon forgotten as they are irrelevant to the learning process that is going on in lessons structured in this way. When you dance with someone from one of these teachers you think - wow - how can someone know so many steps and not be able to lead/follow a single one? Today there are better ways to teach tango and I would definitely call that progress. Victor Bennetts So, I suppose on that basis, we can say Jesse Owens wasn't really that good because nowadays he wouldn't even qualify for the Olympics, let alone win 4 gold medals. No need to be too deferential? How soon people forget. Keith, HK On Sun Jan 20 9:35 , Victor Bennetts sent: Yes, Copes is a legend of the dance, but things have moved on a lot from his day both in terms of teaching and performance. I think (without mentioning Copes specifically) that was Naveira's main point in his article previously linked by Janis. Tango today is stronger than it has ever been and there is no need to be too deferential to the past. Victor Bennetts CAUTION - Disclaimer * This e-mail contains PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION intended solely for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by e-mail and delete the original message. Further, you are not to copy, disclose, or distribute this e-mail or its contents to any other person and any such actions are unlawful. This e-mail may contain viruses. Infosys has taken every reasonable precaution to minimize this risk, but is not liable for any damage you may sustain as a result of any virus in this e-mail. You should carry out your own virus checks before opening the e-mail or attachment. Infosys reserves the right to monitor and review the content of all messages sent to or from this e-mail address. Messages sent to or from this e-mail address may be stored on the Infosys e-mail system. ***INFOSYS End of Disclaimer INFOSYS*** ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] Milonga 101: Conversation in a milonga
A woman walks out to the edge of the dance floor to meet the man who has invited her to dance while seated at a table. They begin dancing without any conversation. They dance and then break their embrace at the end of the music. Brief conversation about the music that cannot be heard by others is optional. They continue dancing the three or four dances of the tanda (set) until the cortina music indicates the end. The man escorts the woman off the floor to return to her table. It is the man who says gracias to the woman, not the reverse. She accepted his invitation. He may thank her as they reach the edge of the floor. If a woman says gracias to a man at any point during the tanda, it means that she no longer wants to dance with him. He then escorts her off the floor to her table. He will never invite her again. According to milonga codes, a man never approaches a woman's table for any reason. The reverse is true as well. This particular code is disappearing from many places in Buenos Aires where socializing takes priority over tango. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Learning Tango
Mario, I believe your admiration for Chris' comments is misplaced. What Chris actually says, from what I understand, is that ALL group classes, by definition, are bad and to be avoided - regardless of who the teacher is and whether he/she is good or bad. This is despite the fact that Chris himself has attended goup classes by no less than 60 [yes, 60] different teachers. Chris has never actually explained why he attended so many classes before he realised they were all useless - and I have asked before. Chris does say that private lessons are OK, with the right teacher. OK, we all agree with that but who can possibly afford the enormous expense of learning only by private tuition? And, btw, as someone who teaches private lessons, I certainly have no vested interest in discouraging people from taking them. What Chris actually appears to advocate is for students to learn only by dancing in the milongas. IMO, and I've seen the results, this is a recipe for disaster. OK, pretty young girls will have no problem finding experienced leaders to teach them. But, what about the other ladies and, more especially, what about the men? Chris has never explained how the men are supposed to learn if they don't attend classes. Presumably - they learn from friends - disaster, IMO. And how do couples learn to dance? Finally, don't we all know that teaching in the milongas is the ultimate in bad tango etiquette? Or do we really expect newbies to go to practicas to learn? Never happen, IMO. Chris, please correct me if I'm wrong with any of the above and, if so, please explain how you think newbies should learn to dance Tango. I've asked you these questions before but you've never responded, other than with, usually, one-line comments denigrating Tango teachers in general or personally - as in the case with Naveira. List - sorry to raise this subject again but, IMHO, how to teach and learn Tango is probably the most important contribution this list has to offer. I've certainly learned an enormous amount from the contributions of others but I think many are mislead by comments such as those from Chris. Oh, and Chris, if group classes with good teachers is OK, perhaps you could give us the benefit of your extensive experience and let us know which of the teachers you've taken group classes with, are to be recommended. So far, on an individual basis, all we know from you is that Gavito [new deceased] is good and Naveira is bad. Chris, can I preempt you and ask you not to insult me by replying with a one-liner. Apologies to the list if, again, some of you find my post too aggressive, unfriendly, obnoxious, arrogant etc. I'm not really that way - it's just a writing style that I learned and am now struggling to correct. Keith, HK On Mon Jan 21 9:17 , Mario sent: Hi Chris, I've gone to reading the Tango-L archives starting with 2006. Reading your constant reminding of the list about how bad teaching is something to avoid... is very refreshing. mario ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Last tango in Bs. As.
I once did hear a nice story about this custom and, although it's almost certainly untrue, I thought I'd ask if anyone else has ever heard it to be true. I heard that the DJ could play 2 different versions of La Cumparsitas at the end of the milonga. The first was to indicate that the milonga was coming to an end and the 2nd gave people the opportunity to dance the very last dance with the partner of their choice and, presumably, to arrange a liaison afterwards. As I say, probably not true, but a nice idea :-). P.S. I always do it at my milongas :-). Keith, HK On Mon Jan 21 6:03 , Ming Mar sent: I've been told that traditionally the last song played at a milonga in Buenos Aires is La Cumpasita. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
