Re: [Tango-L] metin video
I don't think is tango. The music is not tango, the dancing is not tango. (Is tango only because he says so). Elemer in Redmond. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: tango-l@mit.edu Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 08:13:42 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tango-L] metin video I suspect that Metin's video looks so bad because he didn't have a professional partner for the class and had to use one of the students. If you're teaching complicated or difficult figures, that always makes it difficult for a visiting teacher. Btw, Pulpo will be here in February, but without Luisa. I wonder how he'll look if he demontrates similar figures with one of the students. Another btw - does anyone think the Tango rock'n'roll video of Pulpo and Luisa looks even remotely like Tango? It might be fun, but is it Tango? And, if so, why? What makes it Tango? I don't knoe the answer - I'm just asking what others think. Keith, HK On Sun Jan 27 1:23 , Trini y Sean (PATangoS) sent: The move Metin is demonstrating does look like fun when done correctly. Check out this one with Pulpo Luisa, in which he does th! e move at about 2:26. http://www.youtube.com/watch\?v=OplUFeukicY ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l _ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] Bruno Alfonso post re Chicho's embrace
Bruno, the embrace used in the Chicho Poema clip is known as a V embrace. It is actually used quite a lot by traditional salon dancers, as well as more modern masters, such as Gustavo. It is much more versatile than the flat-on, chest on chest embrace, in that transitions and turns that might require a slight loosening of the embrace- to what I call a semi-open embrace, result in an effect similar to the breathing of the bandoneon, bellows opening and closing. From the square on apilado embrace, such changes are more rare, if they occur at all, because they would be far more abrupt and noticeable, also because those who dance it really want to keep the apilado throughout the piece. The v embrace also allows the woman to maintain her separate axis more, especially if it is opened a little further in a giro. I am sure we will see a lot of posts disagreeing with this, but I think the v embrace sued by chicho lets the follower rotate her hips more in a turn, and take bigger steps which allow for things like sacadas, whereas follower in apilado tend to turn with hips kept facing more toward leader, which causes turn steps to look like short back crosses. I may not be explaining this very well, but you should experiment with different types of embraces, you may find that you prefer a particular embrace for some partners but not others, and for some music but not others. I very much enjoyed these Chicho's interpretations. Very lyrical and sensitive to me. I have a naive question regarding his embrace. It is not a very traditional apilado or at least what I kind of conceive as a more traditional one, where the partners face each other more straight forward. I can see how this one looks more confortable for certain moves and interpretations. ' ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Bruno Alfonso post re Chicho's embrace
I've noticed that excellent dancers of all styles use all kinds of embraces: - apilado to vertical, - touching to open, - almost symmetrical to slightly V to extremely V - light arms to rigid arms. - always close to variable embrace - balance between independent axis or locking the axis using a strong frame. Each embrace has its benefits or restrictions. But, the embrace is primarily a stylistic choice. Certainly, remaining in a very close embrace makes the no-pivot ochos crossing behind a useful technique. Conversely, spiraling and opening slightly allows clearance for the woman's hips so she can pivot. To me the woman's technique of doing ochos is the primary differentiation between open and close embrace: does she have to crank the pivot, or can she just float the leg. From what I have noticed, it appears to me that dancers in Buenos Aires have a MODERATE TENDENCY to use a little more V in the Frame and a little more tilt to the apilado when compared with foreigners. They have a STRONG TENDENCY to dance in a very close embrace, whether always apilado or variable salon embrace. V-Frame. Not more versatile, just different. This is certainly beneficial when one or the other of the partners has a large stomach, or when the follower is a lot shorter than the leader. Gustavo's partner is shorter than he is. I also notice that Gustavo chooses a tango pinta (look) that matches the traditional salon, even while his technique and training allow non-traditional elements. In general, the asymmetry of V-Frame makes a number of things more difficult. Walking to the right of the follower may be easier, but walking to the left is harder (requires a bigger twist). It is harder to do the same thing to left and right The biggest issue I have with V-Frame is that learning tango in a V creates an asymmetrical foundation. When I dance with followers who are locked into a hard V-frame, it feels rigid and hurtful to my back. The traditional tango embrace is already a bit asymmetrical, so I feel it is better to start with things as symmetric as possible, and then use a slight V (in my preferred case), as a pose on top of symmetry. On Jan 28, 2008, at 11:43 AM, Nussbaum, Martin wrote: Bruno, the embrace used in the Chicho Poema clip is known as a V embrace. It is actually used quite a lot by traditional salon dancers, as well as more modern masters, such as Gustavo. It is much more versatile than the flat-on, chest on chest embrace, in that transitions and turns that might require a slight loosening of the embrace- to what I call a semi-open embrace, result in an effect similar to the breathing of the bandoneon, bellows opening and closing. From the square on apilado embrace, such changes are more rare, if they occur at all, because they would be far more abrupt and noticeable, also because those who dance it really want to keep the apilado throughout the piece. The v embrace also allows the woman to maintain her separate axis more, especially if it is opened a little further in a giro. I am sure we will see a lot of posts disagreeing with this, but I think the v embrace sued by chicho lets the follower rotate her hips more in a turn, and take bigger steps which allow for things like sacadas, whereas follower in apilado tend to turn with hips kept facing more toward leader, which causes turn steps to look like short back crosses. I may not be explaining this very well, but you should experiment with different types of embraces, you may find that you prefer a particular embrace for some partners but not others, and for some music but not others. Tom Stermitz http://www.tango.org Denver, CO 80207 ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Bruno Alfonso post re Chicho's embrace
Tom explained the embrace topic very well. If we look at the biomechanic perspective, we will see that Tango is right handed dance, inner side of the embrace and outer side of thje embrace are not symmetrical at all, so one could say that unless you cut leader's left arm the embrace of tango remains eccentric. Of course No-arm embrace is perfectly symmetrical. Burak Chicago Tangoeclectique.com :: Sent from my T-Mobile Sidekick Slide® :: ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Victor, chicho, the real tango, practica X
It isn't really close embrace. He has to leave enough room to use their legs as they do. I took one of his seminars about 9 years ago in Amsterdam. I could almost say that I have never been so close to a woman that I will never see, again! I partnered with someone from the Netherlands. Our legs became as one! I did fairly well in the seminar. But, most people didn't do so well. A teacher, from BsAs, told me that the reason that he can do those moves well and most guys can't is because, typically, only women can stand with their heels together and their toes pointed 180-degrees apart. So, don't be hard on yourself if you have difficulty. One thing to note, as you should note when leading any sacadas. I am generalizing, and can't think of any cases where this is not true. I am sure someone will think of one. Anyway, notice that he points his toe in the direction that he wants to be facing during the NEXT step of the sequence. You will notice that that leaves him room to slide (so-to-speak) his other foot through and it leaves him lined up for his next movement. Also, note the places where his knees are tighter together above her knees and for how long. He is not squeezing. It's just part of the signalling process as she is aware of where he is in relation to her. Chicho likes to have fun in his workshops. I remember him asking for 3 volunteer couples to try and hit him during a song. I volunteered and immediately walked my partner toward him, cornering him, swiveled, and touched my back against his. That was pretty cool, because I was a bit of a newbie and there are some excellent dancers over there! I guess he was hoping to illustrate that he could out-navigate anyone. Oops! :o) --- Bruno Afonso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys, I very much enjoyed these Chicho's interpretations. Very lyrical and sensitive to me. I have a naive question regarding his embrace. It is not a very traditional apilado or at least what I kind of conceive as a more traditional one, where the partners face each other more straight forward. I can see how this one looks more confortable for certain moves and interpretations. I may have been deceived though :) How do people normally call this style (?) of close embrace? Is it something you kind of develop yourself - personal preferences, etc - or a style? I'm sure he masters it and can dance with any follower but i am curious as to how followers feel about that embrace versus others. stay cool b Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Info on dancing in Paris
Sharon Zillmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have a friend/fellow tanguera who will be spending a week in Paris this February. She is having problems finding information on milongas. Is there anyone who could make a recommendation?? Many thanks for your input... I've always had luck with this site, although as always with website calendars, it pays to call when you get there to verify: http://tangoparis.free.fr/cal_e.php The above always gives you the closest Metro station to the milonga, so then before you go to Paris you can plan your route from your hotel's nearest Metro station to the milonga station at this site: http://www35.ratp.info/orienter/itineraire.php Of course, if you stay late at a milonga, you'll need to take a taxi home. Often the best way to communicate that to the taxi driver (particularly if there is a language barrier) is to simply give him the name of your home Metro station, which any decent taxi driver should know how to get to. Huck ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] Houston Festival - One Video
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[Tango-L] Houston Festival - One Video
Thanks for the video Miles. Say, why aren't you writing and hamming it up in videos on your blog? You were THE most prolific blogger and now, where do I get my tango fix?? - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] My current favorite Tango video is.....
This is my current idea of perfection in the slow tango. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deOpHgcHXKI This dance has everything I'll ever want to do in my life... ..anyway that's how I feel about it, now. any help in deconstructing it, would be greatly appreciated... I showed you mine, care to show me your's??? - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
