Re: [Tango-L] First trip to BA, the tango mecca
GREAT to read Michael's observations of the milonga, cabeceo, embrace etc. For those of you who have yet to visit BA, please take note, as these observations will aid anyone in preparing for a visit by reducing the learning curve. After all, no need to re-invent the wheel. Michael, thanks for taking the time to write, and don't forget to try the veal napolitana for your next dinner. Looking forward to your next post. Joanne Pogros Cleveland, Ohio ** The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221621489x1201450100/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3F sc%3D668072%26hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilAvgfooterNO62) ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Report from Buenos Aires #2
Hi Michael, Thanks for your observations, and I look forward to hearing more from you. --- On Sun, 4/12/09, Michael tangoman...@cavtel.net wrote: New term Suggestion of new term for ´`authentic Argentine Tango´´ (I´m using a keyboard that isn´t conventionally used in the states and it´s difficult to find special keys.) Instead of ´¨authentic¨`, I suggest `¨original.¨ The milonguero style (named by Susana Miller) is what I call the original style. It´s NOT the style I dance in the States but I consider what I dance to be authentic. original wouldn't work either since no one really knows what the original looked like and predates what developed in the 1940's. It could be closer to Canyengue than the tango we know today. Probably the only term that people would agree with would be something related to downtown or center city. It's accepted that those in the center of the city dance close due partly to space issues. Living very close to downtown of a 200+ year old port city, I can easily see that. Trini de Pittsburgh ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] First trip to Bs. As.
re Michael's experience in Buenos Aires, a couple of observations, and a reality check. Over the years I have heard horror stories from people, both men and women, that went down and didn't dance even one dance with the locals, and sometimes none at all (!) for two weeks. Although the men there will make exceptions for attractive women, of course, generally if the men don't know how to dance well (or are beginners) women won't respond to their cabeceo, even if they are wearing a suit. Many people from the U.S. go down thinking they are good dancers only to have a rude reality check. Also remember that if they don't know you, they may wait to see if you know how to dance well. I sat for two hours dressed up in Lo de Celia a few years back trying to get a dance when I finally realized that women weren't responding because no one knew me and had no idea whether I could dance or not. Finally I asked someone sitting at the next table to dance, who didn't know how to dance very well it turned out, but it worked. After that I got responses from my cabeceos. Also keep in mind that nowadays there are different styles of milongas so first make sure you are going to one that fits your style of dancing, and possibly dress. Dancing open-embrace, nuevo-style tango, (and wearing baggy cargo pants with T-shirts hanging out) won't get you many dances at Sunderland, but on the other hand, it will at other venues. Cheers, Charles ** Why pay full price? Check out this month's deals on the new AOL Shopping. (http://shopping.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntinstor0001) ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Report from Buenos Aires #2
Michael, Thanks for the reports - very accurate from my experiences and very useful for first-time visitors to BsAs. But I don't agree with your term 'original style' because, as Trini has already pointed out, we don't really know what that is and it would result in a lot of disagreements. To me 'authentic Argentine Tango' is what predominates in the traditional milongas of modern-day Buenos Aires and you've already described that very well. You say you don't dance that style in the States so I'd be interested to know why you consider it to be 'authentic'. I now use the term 'Buenos Aires Style' to describe what I consider to be 'authentic Argentine Tango. I don't really see how anyone could disagree with that but I'm sure many will find a way :-). Jack From: Michael tangoman...@cavtel.net New term Suggestion of new term for ´`authentic Argentine Tango´´ (I´m using a keyboard that isn´t conventionally used in the states and it´s difficult to find special keys.) Instead of ´¨authentic¨`, I suggest `¨original.¨ The milonguero style (named by Susana Miller) is what I call the original style. It´s NOT the style I dance in the States but I consider what I dance to be authentic. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] First trip to Bs. As.
Well put, Charles. It's also good to choose milongas where people are more or less your same age, especially if you are over 35. Of course, a young beautiful girl who dances well, or even not that well, will dance anyplace she wants to! Cherie http://tangocherie.blogspot.com ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] genre bendre
Joe Grohens wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvMPXyR0qg0 How would you classify the following things? - The music? (e.g., swing) Yes, I'd say that was fast swing music. - The dancing they are doing to this music? (e.g., swing) No, they are definitely not dancing swing. I'd call that a fusion of tango and jazz dancing, leaning heavily on the tango side. Most of what they are doing is standard tango stuff, with a few jazzy bits thrown in. - The dancers? They are tango performers, as simple as that. Performance dancing rarely fits precisely into a particular dance genre. Performers fuse elements from different styles to create a distinctive style of their own in order to be visually interesting. -- Myk, in Canberra ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Report from Buenos Aires #2
I accept Buenos Aires style. I{ve read so many postings about what is
authentic. Who wants to admit that after years of lessons and
practice, (s)he isn{t dancing authentic. I wanted to come up with a
different term.
Michael
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Jack Dylan jackdylan...@yahoo.com wrote:
Michael,
Thanks for the reports - very accurate from my experiences and
very useful for first-time visitors to BsAs.
But I don't agree with your term 'original style' because, as Trini has
already pointed out, we don't really know what that is and it would
result in a lot of disagreements.
To me 'authentic Argentine Tango' is what predominates in the
traditional milongas of modern-day Buenos Aires and you've already
described that very well. You say you don't dance that style in the
States so I'd be interested to know why you consider it to be 'authentic'.
I now use the term 'Buenos Aires Style' to describe what I consider
to be 'authentic Argentine Tango. I don't really see how anyone could
disagree with that but I'm sure many will find a way :-).
Jack
From: Michael tangoman...@cavtel.net
New term
Suggestion of new term for ´`authentic Argentine Tango´´ (I´m using a
keyboard that isn´t conventionally used in the states and it´s
difficult to find special keys.) Instead of ´¨authentic¨`, I suggest
`¨original.¨ The milonguero style (named by Susana Miller) is what I
call the original style. It´s NOT the style I dance in the States but
I consider what I dance to be authentic.
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Re: [Tango-L] genre bendre
The first thing they are is professional dancers. My very first Tango lessons, in the mid-90s, were with Pablo Inza [with his then-wife, Gladys Fernandez] when they were already travelling the world as tango teachers. Back then Pablo was super-traditional and conservative with short slicked-back hair and suit. Almost unrecognizable from his later nuevo reincarnation. I guess Pablo just likes to push the boundaries and constantly experiment with new stuff. But at least he has the training in traditional tango to back it up. IMHO, this is often lacking in some of the newer Nuevo dancers. Jack From: Myk Dowling poli...@gmail.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvMPXyR0qg0 - The dancers? They are tango performers, as simple as that. Performance dancing rarely fits precisely into a particular dance genre. Performers fuse elements from different styles to create a distinctive style of their own in order to be visually interesting. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
