Re: [Tango-L] floor craft -2
On 10/6/2010 6:07 PM, Trini y Sean (PATangoS) wrote: > One solution a friend of mine came up with, which I liked, was that he turned > his back to the guy and slowly backed up so that his butt brushed the other > guy's butt. Problem solved. Doesn't follow Javier's rule, but, oh well. I did something similar in Nino Bien on a Thursday in August of this year. An older porteño in front of me was doing a 6 step box pattern or something and taking two steps backward against the line of dance repeatedly all around the dance floor and stepped on several women while also wavering between lanes. I felt he was endangering my porteña partner. So I turned myself around and just as he backed into me our bums bumped lightly. But he didn't change his pattern. He did it again and the second time I bumped his bum with my bum HARD so it shook him. (Several people who saw it gasped, including my partner.) Well, he stopped doing the double-step backwards and my partner was safe thereafter and expressed her appreciation. Later, I felt a little cheeky pulling that stunt in a famous B.A. milonga as a mere Tango Tourist on my rookie trip to Argentina. El Stevito de Gainesville ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] floor craft -2
On 07/10/10 16:23, Jack Dylan wrote: > Interesting! I was told the opposite - that when overtaking is absolutely > necessary [for reasons already given], you should overtake on the inside > but never on the outside. The reason given was that, due to the embrace, > the man is blind on his right side and to overtake a man where he cannot > see you increases the risk of a collision. This makes sense to me. I was > also told that one reason why milongueros always dance in the outer ronda > is because of this 'blindness' on their right side, i.e. they know that there > are no dancers there to disturb him or his partner. > I would agree wholeheartedly with this. Someone sneaking past me on the outside when I'm in the outer ring causes more collisions than any other approach on the floor. I can see ahead and to my left. To my right, I keep track of how much space I have to the edge of the floor (or of my lane if I'm not on the outside ring). Nothing annoys me more than suddenly finding someone intruding into that (usually fairly small) space. Myk, in Canberra ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] floor craft -2
There is the problem that so many leaders do not dance up near the edge of the dance floor. Not to mention the problem that so many milongas don't have a well-marked edge, or else have people walking on the dance floor next to the tables. If there is room on between them and the edge of the dance floor, then it makes some sense to go past on the right. That may have the effect of pushing this, lesser-experienced guy into the second lane. A more serious navigational hazard are the leaders zig-zagging between the first and second lane. Imagine if on a highway you have a semi- trailer truck straddling two lanes in the highway, or worse some drunk weaving back and forth. Yes, my right is my blind side, but usually I'm rotating around enough to keep track of incoming missiles, like a sonar screen in an old war movie... piu-piu-piu. On Oct 7, 2010, at 6:04 AM, Myk Dowling wrote: > On 07/10/10 16:23, Jack Dylan wrote: >> Interesting! I was told the opposite - that when overtaking is >> absolutely >> necessary [for reasons already given], you should overtake on the >> inside >> but never on the outside. The reason given was that, due to the >> embrace, >> the man is blind on his right side and to overtake a man where he >> cannot >> see you increases the risk of a collision. This makes sense to me. >> I was >> also told that one reason why milongueros always dance in the outer >> ronda >> is because of this 'blindness' on their right side, i.e. they know >> that there >> are no dancers there to disturb him or his partner. >> > I would agree wholeheartedly with this. Someone sneaking past me on > the > outside when I'm in the outer ring causes more collisions than any > other > approach on the floor. I can see ahead and to my left. To my right, I > keep track of how much space I have to the edge of the floor (or of my > lane if I'm not on the outside ring). Nothing annoys me more than > suddenly finding someone intruding into that (usually fairly small) > space. > > Myk, > in Canberra > ___ > Tango-L mailing list > Tango-L@mit.edu > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l Tom Stermitz c: 303-725-5963 http://www.tango.org Denver, CO 80207 ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] Leopoldo Federico - documentario
Found on youtube ... and definitely worth watching in HD! Maestro Leopoldo Federico - documentario - Encuentro en el Estudio con Leopoldo Federico - Ministerio de Educacion de la Nacion - ...Republica Argentina [4 parts] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTPsuHKYDB0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhZh71LGYtg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzk4wt14p0A http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HlsX0sTBqQ Enjoy, Christian . -- Neu: GMX De-Mail - Einfach wie E-Mail, sicher wie ein Brief! Jetzt De-Mail-Adresse reservieren: http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/demail ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] floor craft -2
Jack Dylan said: < I was also told that one reason why milongueros always dance in the outer < ronda is because of this 'blindness' on their right side, i.e. they know < that there are no dancers there to disturb him or his partner. In theory, that is sound reasoning. In practice, the way some people enter the floor (mid-dance), removes any supposed advantage - bum first, and with complete disregard for those already dancing. In many cases, then taking all the time in the world to finish their conversation and start moving in the line of dance (or more likely back-stepping). There has been prior discussion of those demonstrating their figures prowess on the spot, blocking those behind, with an ever growing space to their front. There are also those who consider that the floor is the perfect place for a leisurely conversation - ignoring the existence of chairs and tables provided, one would think, for that purpose. It seems "dance floor" is a misnomer. centre across the floor into the ronda. While that /manoeuvre /seems to be gaining in popularity it is being supplanted by an even more lunatic approach of disappearing from the ronda in a south-west/7 o'clock direction and later returning suddenly from that blind-spot back into the ronda, regardless of whether there is space or not. This possibly stems from the teaching of figures which generate angled or inappropriate exits, without mention of the need to work out how to fit/modify them for social dancing. No mention of "you need to enter this from here, so that you exit, that way". But - some teachers demonstrate downright lousy floorcraft themselves, possibly due to spending their working day as the sole occupant of the floor. So - perhaps it is a foreign concept anyway. Back steps can be a problem. However, (surprise, surprise) back-back-back steps are worse. If you must do most of your dancing backwards, could it not be done in the line of dance, at least? It will still involve dancing into a blind void, but at least travelling in the same direction. One out of two is an advance. It is very true that the leaders are not dancing only with their partner, but with everyone else in the room. However, relying on the follower as a second set of eyes is a dodgey proposition, given how many followers dance eyes-closed. Better to dance with an awareness of what is happening around you, and avoid the need for someone to look after you while you are looking after them. It's your job. (The down-side, of course, is that every collision you avoid, leaves someone with shoddy floorcraft oblivious, and free to carry on as before.) ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] Re floorcraft-2 (oops)
In my earlier post: "centre across the floor into the ronda. While that /manoeuvre /seems to be" should read: Mention has been made of the desirability of not spearing radially from the centre across the floor into the ronda. While that manoeuvre seems to be I need an editor. :( ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] floor craft -2
On 08/10/10 10:37, Roger Edgecombe wrote: > It is very true that the leaders are not dancing only with their > partner, but > with everyone else in the room. However, relying on the follower as a > second > set of eyes is a dodgey proposition, given how many followers dance > eyes-closed. > And for tall and broad leaders like myself, a lot of followers are quite simply incapable of looking over my shoulder! I never rely on the follower's eyes. Myk, In Canberra ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
