Re: [Tango-L] Fw: Better? Worse? Just different

2011-04-25 Thread Brian Dunn
Jan Bares wrote:
... During my classical ballet classes, I found an information about the 
research documenting that physical expression needs to be taught separately 
from the musicality...

In classes we have organized with Luciana Valle, she defines musicality as 
taking in what the music gives you and separately defines expression as how 
you manifest your expressive response to the music/your partner/your own 
emotional state.  Her class structure and exercises explore and train these 
concepts separately, only combining them at the end.

All the best,
Brian Dunn
Dance of the Heart
Boulder, Colorado USA
www.dancefotheheart.com
Building a Better World, One Tango at a Time


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[Tango-L] Fw: Better? Worse? Just different

2011-04-24 Thread Michael
I see things differently. Technique and musicality are two important 
ingredients to dancing tango. You can't learn both simultaneously. My private 
lessons dealt with technique followed months later with musicality. If you 
can't lead a figure without the music, you can't lead it with the music. I 
really don't understand why music is used in workshops when participants are 
trying to figure out how to execute the figure. Dancers learn at their own 
speed, and it's usually slower than the music. Playing music only leads to 
frustration. It's difficult to have a line of dance in a workshop when people 
stop in the line to figure out why something isn't working.
  Michael
  I danced Argentine Tango --with the Argentines
  Moving to New York City

hbboog...@aol.com wrote:


“The Music” first you need to  learn the music second is “The Heart” you 
need to feel the music in your
 heart  only then can you dance Tango
*

Tango is first and last a very special form of music. Argentina is a 
culture of warm feelings. So much more open and expressive than Anglo-American 
culture. To focus on the dance and the steps is to get it entirely wrong. 

Beginners should be told to listen to the music and helped to understand 
the music and should be given to understand that their dancing can only develop 
as their understanding and appreciation of the music grows. I must confess I am 
pessimistic.

Jonathan Thornton
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Re: [Tango-L] Fw: Better? Worse? Just different

2011-04-24 Thread jan bares
Excellent point Michael. During my classical ballet classes, I found an 
information about the research documenting that physical expression needs to be 
taught separately from the musicality. Later on in my tango, a prominent 
teacher who had tango music playing in the class while teaching a particular 
figure went around telling the students: “Don’t listen to the music, the music 
will rush you and you won’t get it right”. 
Jan

--- On Sun, 4/24/11, Michael tangoman...@cavtel.net wrote:

 From: Michael tangoman...@cavtel.net
 Subject: [Tango-L] Fw:  Better? Worse? Just different
 To: Tango L Tango-L@mit.edu
 Date: Sunday, April 24, 2011, 8:22 PM
 I see things differently. Technique
 and musicality are two important ingredients to dancing
 tango. You can't learn both simultaneously. My private
 lessons dealt with technique followed months later with
 musicality. If you can't lead a figure without the music,
 you can't lead it with the music. I really don't understand
 why music is used in workshops when participants are trying
 to figure out how to execute the figure. Dancers learn at
 their own speed, and it's usually slower than the music.
 Playing music only leads to frustration. It's difficult to
 have a line of dance in a workshop when people stop in the
 line to figure out why something isn't working.
   Michael
   I danced Argentine Tango --with the Argentines
   Moving to New York City
 
     hbboog...@aol.com
 wrote:
 
     
     “The Music” first you need to  learn
 the music second is “The Heart” you need to feel the
 music in your
      heart  only then can you dance
 Tango
     *
 
     Tango is first and last a very special form
 of music. Argentina is a culture of warm feelings. So much
 more open and expressive than Anglo-American culture. To
 focus on the dance and the steps is to get it entirely
 wrong. 
 
     Beginners should be told to listen to the
 music and helped to understand the music and should be given
 to understand that their dancing can only develop as their
 understanding and appreciation of the music grows. I must
 confess I am pessimistic.
 
     Jonathan Thornton
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