Re: [Tango-L] Report from Buenos Aires #7: Milonga Review
Somehow, I would find it difficult to think that the BsAs Council would publish that online... Vince... Which milonga? You were so clear, that surely you remember the milonga name. After all, it did STAND OUT!. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Report from Buenos Aires #7: Milonga Review
-- From: Burnett, David david.burn...@cba.com.au Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 1:05 PM To: tango-l@mit.edu Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Report from Buenos Aires #7: Milonga Review As I remember, when I was in BsAs 2 years ago the city council had just declared that the 2-1-2-1 pattern was part of what defined a Milonga. Tried Googling that law and could not find it. It would be good to see it in total as it may also then end arguments on what is or is not Argentine tango as defined by the home of tango. Anyone have an idea? ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Report from Buenos Aires #7: Milonga Review
Not a pattern I have ever seen in Sydney either - but there is one Milonga that does use 'guest DJs' who may not have the experience to know that there is an expected pattern. As I remember, when I was in BsAs 2 years ago the city council had just declared that the 2-1-2-1 pattern was part of what defined a Milonga. db -Original Message- So not Australia, but 1 milonga? Which? As I have never cone across it ever... Sent from my iPhone, from somewhere... On 21/04/2009, at 6:35 PM, Vince Bagusauskas vy...@hotmail.com wrote: This was the case in a milonga in Sydney. Maybe they did not like milonga pieces? shrug Commonly the 4-1-4-1 would be used in Australia. Thus I was very surprised to have encountered the 2-1-2-1 in BsAs. -- From: Sorin Varzaru ta...@bostonphotographs.com Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:31 AM To: Tango-L List Tango-L@mit.edu Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Report from Buenos Aires #7: Milonga Review Where are you dancing? In the NE (Boston, NYC, Montreal) I have heard either 2-1-2-1 or 2-1-1-1. Same for all festivals I attended. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ** IMPORTANT MESSAGE * This e-mail message is intended only for the addressee(s) and contains information which may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please advise the sender by return email, do not use or disclose the contents, and delete the message and any attachments from your system. Unless specifically indicated, this email does not constitute formal advice or commitment by the sender or the Commonwealth Bank of Australia (ABN 48 123 123 124) or its subsidiaries. We can be contacted through our web site: commbank.com.au. If you no longer wish to receive commercial electronic messages from us, please reply to this e-mail by typing Unsubscribe in the subject line. ** ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Report from Buenos Aires #7: Milonga Review
This was the case in a milonga in Sydney. Maybe they did not like milonga pieces? shrug Commonly the 4-1-4-1 would be used in Australia. Thus I was very surprised to have encountered the 2-1-2-1 in BsAs. -- From: Sorin Varzaru ta...@bostonphotographs.com Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:31 AM To: Tango-L List Tango-L@mit.edu Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Report from Buenos Aires #7: Milonga Review Where are you dancing? In the NE (Boston, NYC, Montreal) I have heard either 2-1-2-1 or 2-1-1-1. Same for all festivals I attended. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Report from Buenos Aires #7: Milonga Review
From: Michael tangoman...@cavtel.net Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 3:41 AM To: Tango-L List Tango-L@mit.edu Subject: [Tango-L] Report from Buenos Aires #7: Milonga Review 5. Miscellaneous DJs seem to follow the 2-1-2-1 approach to music. 2 tandas of tango, 1 tanda waltz, 2 tandas tango, 1 tanda of milonga. In the States, the pattern seems to be 4-1-4-1. Sorin Varzaru replied: Where are you dancing? In the NE (Boston, NYC, Montreal) I have heard either 2-1-2-1 or 2-1-1-1. Same for all festivals I attended. At the milongas in the Denver/Boulder area we virtually always have 2-1-2-1 progressions of tandas. It has been the same at the many festivals I have attended, including the Denver, Portland, Atlanta and St. Louis festivals. Cammie. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Report from Buenos Aires #7: Milonga Review
So not Australia, but 1 milonga? Which? As I have never cone across it ever... Sent from my iPhone, from somewhere... On 21/04/2009, at 6:35 PM, Vince Bagusauskas vy...@hotmail.com wrote: This was the case in a milonga in Sydney. Maybe they did not like milonga pieces? shrug Commonly the 4-1-4-1 would be used in Australia. Thus I was very surprised to have encountered the 2-1-2-1 in BsAs. -- From: Sorin Varzaru ta...@bostonphotographs.com Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:31 AM To: Tango-L List Tango-L@mit.edu Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Report from Buenos Aires #7: Milonga Review Where are you dancing? In the NE (Boston, NYC, Montreal) I have heard either 2-1-2-1 or 2-1-1-1. Same for all festivals I attended. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] Report from Buenos Aires #7: Milonga Review
My vacation is coming to an end. Instead of just dropping names of milongas, I´m posting my review. Hopefully others will do the same. I. Lo de Celia The floor is square with a line that goes around the perimeter. The table set up is Men Women Women Men Couples are usually put in the back row. Florescent lights are over the dance floor. Colored lights are over the tables which causes dark spots and can make cabeceo difficult. Floor gets crowded quickly so standing in one place is not advised. One night, an Argentine pushed another Argentine to shut up and start dancing. 2. El Arranque I haven´t figured out the seating arrangement. Women are on the sides but then there are other women in the same column as men. You have to look around. To paraphrase the safety exercise on airlines Your closest partner may be behind you. Excellent lighting for cabeceo. Floor is sloped so ochos can be a problem going downhill because the woman will pick up speed with each pivot. Floor is rectangular but almost passes for being a square. There are raffle drawings for champagne and CDs. 3. Milonga de los Consagrados @ central region leonesa (This is the same location for Mi Refugio and Nino Bien The floor is rectangular and the lighting is good. Tables are perpendicular to the floor. I was there one night. It looks like the tables alternate between men and women. The vortex is a struggle because the floor gets jammed at the ends. 4. Gricel I´ve already written about. 5. Miscellaneous DJs seem to follow the 2-1-2-1 approach to music. 2 tandas of tango, 1 tanda waltz, 2 tandas tango, 1 tanda of milonga. In the States, the pattern seems to be 4-1-4-1. 6.Milonga hopping I don´t see any value to going to different milongas during a short stay. When you keep returning to the same milongas, people will recognize you after a while. If you keep going to a new milonga every night, you´ll be a stranger every night. It´s completely different when you go with a partner versus going alone. 7: Identity Not a single Argentine woman I danced with thought I was an Argentine until they said something in Spanish and I said I´m not Argentine. Not related to tango Bring a camera and walk throughout the city. There are free walking tours (www.bafreetour.com) My friend, Gail from Florida, suggested I buy a digital camera. I´m glad I finished. Tomorrow is my last full day in the city. I fly home Wednesday, leaving the house @4:30 PM for my 8:25 pm flight to Miami arriving 4:30 AM. After going through customs and immigration, my connecting flight leaves at 8:40 for Washington, DC National Airport, arriving 11:05 AM. I should be home by 12:30 with my luggage and fond memories. I didn´t come to BA to eat, but to dance. I´ll post my summary tomorrow. I appreciate the public confirmation of what I´m writing. I´m not making this stuff up. And now a word about dancing. Two highly skilled dancers may not like dancing with each other. While skill is a big part, so is passion and musicality. Everybody has their own style. If somebody doesn´t like dancing with me, it can be because of my skill level or they don´t like my style. It´s the same about women. I melt with some women and for others it´s a cold experience. Some women can dance milonga and others have problems. I don´t what good it does to complain about somebody´s dancing on the list. There will NEVER be universal agreement on who is a good dancer. I don´t remember writing anything negative about the dancing skill of the women. My only complaint has been navigation. Reporting from Buenos Aires Michael Ditkoff Washington, DC I'd rather be dancing Argentine Tango ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Report from Buenos Aires #7: Milonga Review
-- From: Michael tangoman...@cavtel.net Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 3:41 AM To: Tango-L List Tango-L@mit.edu Subject: [Tango-L] Report from Buenos Aires #7: Milonga Review 3. Milonga de los Consagrados @ central region leonesa (This is the same location for Mi Refugio and Nino Bien And supposedly the place where the best-of-the-best porteneos are supposed to attend from the information a teacher told me. One lady of my group having a bit of stage fright due to the intimidation of the place and thus not dancing very well, was told to sit down less than 1 minute into the 1st dance. Tough crowd. They did play salsa; jive as a break from tango too. 5. Miscellaneous DJs seem to follow the 2-1-2-1 approach to music. 2 tandas of tango, 1 tanda waltz, 2 tandas tango, 1 tanda of milonga. In the States, the pattern seems to be 4-1-4-1. Interesting that you say that as I recall it being around 3-1-3-1 . It is around 6-1-6-1 in some places in Australia. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Report from Buenos Aires #7: Milonga Review
5. Miscellaneous DJs seem to follow the 2-1-2-1 approach to music. 2 tandas of tango, 1 tanda waltz, 2 tandas tango, 1 tanda of milonga. In the States, the pattern seems to be 4-1-4-1. Where are you dancing? In the NE (Boston, NYC, Montreal) I have heard either 2-1-2-1 or 2-1-1-1. Same for all festivals I attended. Sorin my photography site: http://www.bostonphotographs.com my milonga review site: http://www.milongareview.com blog: http://sorinsblog.blogspot.com ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Report from Buenos Aires #7: Milonga Review
Fairly consistently in BA is the 2-1-2-1 approach. Even at a 'nuevo' milonga. However, at the nuevo milongas, they add in a single tanda of 'nuevo' music for 1 of the tango tandas every 2nd cycle if that is 1 cycle described... La Viruta, same cylcle, but they will play cylces of 6 songs in each tanda of music, best to know who you are dancing with then ;-) Not uncommon to not do the whole tanda there with one person, but still considered a bit rude to leave early. 5. Miscellaneous DJs seem to follow the 2-1-2-1 approach to music. 2 tandas of tango, 1 tanda waltz, 2 tandas tango, 1 tanda of milonga. In the States, the pattern seems to be 4-1-4-1. Interesting that you say that as I recall it being around 3-1-3-1 . It is around 6-1-6-1 in some places in Australia. Well, I have never seen 6-1-6-1 in Australia, ever... The worst I have seen in Australia is an Italian 'Gent' that does not play consistent size tanda's and there could be up to 7 in a single tanda My worst experience was at this location.. 7 Vals 1 Milonga 6 Vals 2 Tango 7 Vals and so on This made it very difficult to ask ladies to dance and not appear to be a bastard when you get them up for Vals, then new lady for the Milonga then etc ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
