Re: [Tango-L] Volcada (instructional video)
Trini, You asked a good question that, IMO, Jean-Pierre didn't really answer. I think he is doing what I often do and is treating the Carpa and the Volcada as 2 separate figures, with the Carpa being a prelude to the Volcada.. However, as has been correctly pointed out by Larry and others, the Carpa itself is a Volcada. Your question, if I read it correctly, is how does the lady knows to lean, i.e. go into a Carpa, rather than take a forward step. Jean-Pierre's answer seems to start after the Carpa has been executed. It's a good question because many inexperienced ladies will indeed take a forward step when the man steps back, while intending to lead her into a Carpa. What I've been taught is something many call 'suspension'. It involves a staightening of the knees resulting in a slight rise of the chest and is used, for example, when executing the Calesita, even without the lean. When in 'suspension' the lady will not make a step, whatever the man does, until the knees are relaxed and the suspension is released. I'd be interested to hear other views on this. I also agree with Trini's view that Jean-Pierre's partner allows her back to 'collapse' in the Carpa, rather than staying straight. While her upper body is vertical, her lower body is angled at approx. 60deg. That might be OK for a trained dancer with good flexibility but not a good example for an untrained dancer trying to learn a Volcada. Jack - Original Message From: Jean-Pierre Sighe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your second point: The other point of confusion for women after they have learned a volcada is distinguishing when she's asked to lean or when she's invited to take a forward step You are here describing what would happen if the carpa is not set properly, which is the point I'm bringing up in my article and the clip. If the carpa is set properly, it implies that you share her axis. Therefore, the signal she will get from you will be that of simply staying with you. She could not feel separated to the point of taking a step. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Volcada (instructional video)
Thank you Larry for your additional useful information and comments. I agree with you 110% when you say : Actually ALL parts of a volcada combination must be lead ! Have a great day. Jean-Pierre S. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: tango-L@mit.edu Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Volcada (instructional video) Jean-Pierre Sighé writes in the following link --- The Cruzada MUST be lead and not just assumed. http://www.tangomagdalena.com/Newsletters/vol12_august08.html Actually ALL parts of a volcada combination must be lead. The volcada is just the extreme lean. Lean + amague/front boleo + cruzada is a popular combination, but it's only one of many that start with the lean. The dibujo (that famous arc on the floor) during the amague/front boleo is an adorno. Like all women's adornos it is the woman's option to do it or not. If the man is hurrying the combination she will likely leave it off. The video accompanying Sighé's text is one of the best YouTube videos of several dozen I've seen which shows lots of volcada combinations, not only because of its video quality. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4n81J4zkyc The whole dance is a good example of how to dance with a lady new to a man. The very first volcada, near the beginning, is just a lean. She is tipped off balance, with weight forward of her toes, making it a true volcada. (The word comes from volcar - to upset, overturn, tip over or knock over.) And it is only a slight lean. This way the leader can tell if his partner can and will do a lean, rather than panicking and stepping forward with her free foot to regain her balance. Later on he does a more extreme lean but adds a zarandeo (shake, a twisting around the vertical axis). She adorns this by lifting her free foot so that she does almost a boleo to the left and the right. Another good example of a couple testing their mutual body language. There are many other volcada combinations, including a carousel, in the rest of the video. Good selection, Jean-Pierre Larry de Los Angeles Live the good life! Click now for great retirement planning assistance! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/Ioyw6iieke7kEnwQOFwALxT1s6avyrvAdM0MB9xFBgw5j67zoCxDvM/ ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] Volcada (instructional video)
Videos uploaded... Give us a click here: http://www.tangomagdalena.com/Newsletters/vol12_august08.html Jean-Pierre Sighe - TANGO MAGDALENA, LLC 580 Grand Ave, Suite # 305 Oakland, CA 94610 Ph.: 510- 836 0812 Web site : http://www.tangomagdalena.com ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Volcada (instructional video)
Jean-Pierre, Thanks for sharing your video, however, it looks to me as if your partner allows her back to collapse during the carpa instead of maintaining a strong core. I think your video needs more information on that aspect and on what you mean by support so that the women are protected. The other point of confusion for women after they have learned a volcada is distinguishing when she's asked to lean or when she's invited to take a forward step. It's common for women to mistake a simple step forward as a volcada. That's something you might want to address as well. Trini de Pittsburgh --- On Fri, 9/5/08, Jean-Pierre Sighe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jean-Pierre Sighe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Tango-L] Volcada (instructional video) To: Tango-L@mit.edu Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 7:00 AM Videos uploaded... Give us a click here: http://www.tangomagdalena.com/Newsletters/vol12_august08.html Jean-Pierre Sighe - TANGO MAGDALENA, LLC 580 Grand Ave, Suite # 305 Oakland, CA 94610 Ph.: 510- 836 0812 Web site : http://www.tangomagdalena.com ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Volcada (instructional video)
Jean-Pierre Sighé writes in the following link --- The Cruzada MUST be lead and not just assumed. http://www.tangomagdalena.com/Newsletters/vol12_august08.html Actually ALL parts of a volcada combination must be lead. The volcada is just the extreme lean. Lean + amague/front boleo + cruzada is a popular combination, but it's only one of many that start with the lean. The dibujo (that famous arc on the floor) during the amague/front boleo is an adorno. Like all women's adornos it is the woman's option to do it or not. If the man is hurrying the combination she will likely leave it off. The video accompanying Sighé's text is one of the best YouTube videos of several dozen I've seen which shows lots of volcada combinations, not only because of its video quality. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4n81J4zkyc The whole dance is a good example of how to dance with a lady new to a man. The very first volcada, near the beginning, is just a lean. She is tipped off balance, with weight forward of her toes, making it a true volcada. (The word comes from volcar - to upset, overturn, tip over or knock over.) And it is only a slight lean. This way the leader can tell if his partner can and will do a lean, rather than panicking and stepping forward with her free foot to regain her balance. Later on he does a more extreme lean but adds a zarandeo (shake, a twisting around the vertical axis). She adorns this by lifting her free foot so that she does almost a boleo to the left and the right. Another good example of a couple testing their mutual body language. There are many other volcada combinations, including a carousel, in the rest of the video. Good selection, Jean-Pierre Larry de Los Angeles Live the good life! Click now for great retirement planning assistance! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/Ioyw6iieke7kEnwQOFwALxT1s6avyrvAdM0MB9xFBgw5j67zoCxDvM/ ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
