Re: [Tango-L] Would you like to lead or follow?
Wow, this is confusing!..I dance tango in order to feel like a man... Hmm, maybe that's the problem. It could be just me, but in order to feel like a man, I just have to be awake/conscious. While not all women who lead are good dancers, nearly ALL great women dancers I ever danced with know how to lead. On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 1:54 AM, Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tonight, I asked a woman to dance. She replied, Would you like to lead or follow? I was startled. I answered Do I look like a follow?..Hello-o-o. I had lapsed into Valley girl speak when what I should have done was my impersonation of Christopher Walken. So, Ok, I got it together and did my best Chris Wow, this is confusing!..I dance tango in order to feel like a man...and what do I get?...unisex? What's this.. no more man, woman? Is that it? ...she replied again, No, I just wanted to know if you wanted to lead or follow? I could have milked the scene, it was rich material so, I did a couple more lines in my best Christopher Walken voice (whenever I feel vulnerable, I go to Chris) and then we danced. It's the man who approaches the woman. It takes a bit of nerve to feel like you can pull it off with her...it's not easy. There should be some respect..I don't get any respect. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l -- Sorin my photography site: http://www.bostonphotographs.com my milonga review site: http://www.milongareview.com blog: http://sorinsblog.blogspot.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Would you like to lead or follow?
At least she asked for your preference... :) Maybe she was just tryig to impress you, sort of like doing a sword fight while wearing a long dress. Amazing that you danced with her after that exchange. That was very nice of you. If I was a man, I would have walked away without a word and never looked at her again. Christopher Walken is amazing. He is brilliant portraying sociopaths with a conscience, which does not exist in real life. As far as an effective attitude for strange tango incidents goes, how about Javier Braden in No Country for Old Men, without the air can vacuum thing? I kinda like the whole thing without words. This was the funniest post that I have read in a long time. Thank you, Mario! Nina At 11:54 PM 7/18/2008, Mario wrote: Tonight, I asked a woman to dance. She replied, Would you like to lead or follow? I was startled. I answered Do I look like a follow?..Hello-o-o. I had lapsed into Valley girl speak when what I should have done was my impersonation of Christopher Walken. So, Ok, I got it together and did my best Chris Wow, this is confusing!..I dance tango in order to feel like a man...and what do I get?...unisex? What's this.. no more man, woman? Is that it? ...she replied again, No, I just wanted to know if you wanted to lead or follow? I could have milked the scene, it was rich material so, I did a couple more lines in my best Christopher Walken voice (whenever I feel vulnerable, I go to Chris) and then we danced. It's the man who approaches the woman. It takes a bit of nerve to feel like you can pull it off with her...it's not easy. There should be some respect..I don't get any respect. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Would you like to lead or follow?
- Original Message From: Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] I did a couple more lines in my best Christopher Walken voice (whenever I feel vulnerable, I go to Chris) and then we danced. Is that also because Christopher Walken started his show-biz career as a dancer? ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] Would you like to lead or follow?
At 01:54 AM 7/19/2008, Mario wrote: Tonight, I asked a woman to dance. She replied, Would you like to lead or follow? I was startled. I answered Do I look like a follow?..Hello-o-o. I had lapsed into Valley girl speak when what I should have done was my impersonation of Christopher Walken. So, Ok, I got it together and did my best Chris Wow, this is confusing!..I dance tango in order to feel like a man...and what do I get?...unisex? What's this.. no more man, woman? Is that it? ...she replied again, No, I just wanted to know if you wanted to lead or follow? I could have milked the scene, it was rich material so, I did a couple more lines in my best Christopher Walken voice (whenever I feel vulnerable, I go to Chris) and then we danced. It's the man who approaches the woman. It takes a bit of nerve to feel like you can pull it off with her...it's not easy. There should be some respect..I don't get any respect. A perfectly reasonable question by the woman. What are you afraid of? A man who never learns to follow never learns the difference between good leading and bad leading. There is no rule in Argentine Tango that the man has to be the leader? You will not get any respect because you THINK you are a leader. In my opinion, you will get great respect when you learn to lead WELL, and can also follow. There are women in our Tango community who prefer to lead. I have been asked by them if I would like to follow, and I have accepted. It's still Argentine Tango. Marty E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) Database version: 5.10280e http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Would you like to lead or follow?
Since about a year ago I started venturing into the follow role and, as I got better at it, I discovered that it is another world, it is almost like a different dance altogether, equally fabulously enjoyable. Every man should experience a wonderful dance of tango as a follower -- highly recommended. Nowadays I regularly practice with a woman who also likes switching roles and we often switch between the roles during a single dance -- changing the embrace on the fly and all without any interruption. It is a great experience. ...dubravko P.S. I use quotes to signify the use of quoted terms only for the lack of a better term and not meant literally. === seek, appreciate, and create beauty this life is not a rehearsal === ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Would you like to lead or follow?
Marty, If a woman leads and a man follows, it may be a tango of some sort, but it is NOT Argentine. Nina There is no rule in Argentine Tango that the man has to be the leader? You will not get any respect because you THINK you are a leader. In my opinion, you will get great respect when you learn to lead WELL, and can also follow. There are women in our Tango community who prefer to lead. I have been asked by them if I would like to follow, and I have accepted. It's still Argentine Tango. Marty E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) Database version: 5.10280e http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Would you like to lead or follow?
In my experience. There seems to be some advantage that adds to a guys technique to be able to follow. On the other hand I have not seen an advantage for a lady to try to learn to lead. I have only danced with a few ladies who lead who were able to effectively switch gears between being a leader and a follower. They all happened to be advanced dancers. A pleasant tango must have good communication. To be a good follower a lady must be listening for the lead. Women are multitaskers, maybe this causes leading women to seem to be split between listening to the lead and thinking or feeling what they would be leading. And as such the connection is just not there as with women who only follow. If I see a woman leading at a milonga, she automatically goes to the bottom of my list for potential partners. There are a lot of ladies to dance with and those that also lead have proven for the most part not be the most enjoyable and connected of partners. This might be unfair to some but I play the odds and go were I feel the best connections are going to be. Oh yea, if a lady asked me, lead or follow? My comment would be, you have got to be kidding!! Be blessed, Leonardo K On Jul 19, 2008, at 9:55 AM, Nina Pesochinsky wrote: Marty, If a woman leads and a man follows, it may be a tango of some sort, but it is NOT Argentine. Nina There is no rule in Argentine Tango that the man has to be the leader? You will not get any respect because you THINK you are a leader. In my opinion, you will get great respect when you learn to lead WELL, and can also follow. There are women in our Tango community who prefer to lead. I have been asked by them if I would like to follow, and I have accepted. It's still Argentine Tango. Marty E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) Database version: 5.10280e http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Would you like to lead or follow?
I was planning to reply to Martin but Ron and Sergio have said it all much better than I could. And thanks to Nina for giving a lady's view. To me, Tango is a dance between a man and a woman. Part of the man's role is to lead and part of the woman's role is to follow. But there's more to the man's role than just leading and there's more to the lady's role than just following. And, in my opinion, for once Mario is right. To dance tango well I believe a man must truly feel like a man. But when Martin says he believes in equality of the genders, I again agree. But that doesn't mean men and women are the same or can be the same. The above is talking about social dancing in the milonga. Practicing in the role of the woman, either with a male or female partner can be very useful. But that's just practice. Often very boring but unfortunately, for some of us, very necessary. Jack - Original Message From: Martin Waxman [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is no rule in Argentine Tango that the man has to be the leader? I have been asked by them if I would like to follow, and I have accepted. It's still Argentine Tango. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] Would you like to lead or follow?
Tonight, I asked a woman to dance. She replied, Would you like to lead or follow? I was startled. I answered Do I look like a follow?..Hello-o-o. I had lapsed into Valley girl speak when what I should have done was my impersonation of Christopher Walken. So, Ok, I got it together and did my best Chris Wow, this is confusing!..I dance tango in order to feel like a man...and what do I get?...unisex? What's this.. no more man, woman? Is that it? ...she replied again, No, I just wanted to know if you wanted to lead or follow? I could have milked the scene, it was rich material so, I did a couple more lines in my best Christopher Walken voice (whenever I feel vulnerable, I go to Chris) and then we danced. It's the man who approaches the woman. It takes a bit of nerve to feel like you can pull it off with her...it's not easy. There should be some respect..I don't get any respect. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
