[Tango-L] retaining men in urbana
Tango Society of Central Illinois wrote: > We teach tango in close embrace. Undoubtedly there > are some women who have fled our classes because they do not want to > be held close while dancing. > The ballroom dance studio in town tends > to have extra women in their Argentine Tango classes, taught in an > open frame. I guess if a dance teacher doesn't pigeon-hole himself with a label, other people will do it for him, whether they've ever bothered to visit one of his classes not. Maybe they'll even throw in a demographic analysis while they're at it. Joe Grohens, tango instructor Regent Ballroom Champaign-Urbana, Illinois ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] retaining men in urbana
Ron wrote: > Now we mix more experienced men and women in our beginner classes. Our > rentention rate for women has improved substantially ... The women > love dancing with the experienced men. The experienced men > are attracting more women to higher level classes and milongas. We see the same benefits around here. Though segregated beginners classes still predominate. Most instructors are not comfortable having people who can dance in their beginners' class, finding beginners get confused by the contradictions of what's learned by demonstration/instruction v. what's learned by dancing. Or, as one instructor explained to me, it "undermines the teacher's authority". Of Ron's: >> The ballroom dance studio in town tends to have extra women in their >> Argentine Tango classes, taught in an open frame. Joe (tango instructor, Regent Ballroom) wrote: > I guess if a dance teacher doesn't pigeon-hole himself with a label, > other people will do it for him You've lost me there, Joe. Where in your quote does Ron label you or any other dance teacher? -- Chris ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
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If I could answer on Joe's behalf, because I sometimes have the same problem. The label is 'Ballroom dance studio" thereby implying that the instructor is a ballroom instructor who cannot teach Tango as it'd danced in Argentina. Since Joe also teaches Argentine Tango classes, why not call it a Tango dance studio? Or just a dance studio. But I think we all know why Ron called it a Ballroom dance studio. Keith, HK On Tue Oct 9 20:46 , "Chris, UK" sent: > >>> The ballroom dance studio in town tends to have extra women in their >>> Argentine Tango classes, taught in an open frame. > >Joe (tango instructor, Regent Ballroom) wrote: > >> I guess if a dance teacher doesn't pigeon-hole himself with a label, >> other people will do it for him > >You've lost me there, Joe. Where in your quote does Ron label you or any >other dance teacher? > >-- >Chris ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
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Keith wrote: > If I could answer on Joe's behalf, because I sometimes have the same problem. > The label is 'Ballroom dance studio" thereby implying that the instructor is > a ballroom instructor who cannot teach Tango as it'd danced in Argentina. > > Since Joe also teaches Argentine Tango classes, why not call it a Tango dance > studio? Or just a dance studio. > > But I think we all know why Ron called it a Ballroom dance studio. > > Keith, HK > Since I live in Urbana and know both Ron and Joe and have studied with them, let me shove your foot further in your mouth. Joe teaches Argentine Tango (billed as such) at a large dance studio called the Regent Ballroom, which teaches (surprise) ballroom, among other things. He is not the proprietor and he is not going to be able to change the name of it. Don't tell him to. Ron wasn't just calling him names, contrary to what you think. Joe does teach open embrace and he and Carlota are very good at it. Yes we all know Ron loves apilado style but that doesn't mean when he makes a statement of fact it is a barb. Joe and Carlota are really nice people and they do a lot for tango in the community by taking on the thankless tasks of doing the long-running Wed. night milongas downtown plus others. Generally Ron and Joe have good relations and work well at keeping tango up and running in the area. A hearty thank you to both of them. Both realize they cater to different tastes and both are mature, responsible adults who accept this. Both also understand that some sort of ego-induced rivalry would divide the community to the point tango would be severely and negatively impacted, with me among others as the losers. I've never seen either of them behave with anything other than professional decorum towards each other. Don't set up an antagonism that doesn't exist. Clear on this? Jeff G ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
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Since I don't know either Ron or Joe, obviously I wasn't commenting about them personally or their relationship. How could I since I know nothing about either of them. All I was doing was answering a simple question posed by Chris, UK who asked how Joe had been 'labelled'. I stand by my answer that Ron has labelled Joe as a Ballroom instructor by implication. That's really all I said. And it's a little naive of you to think it was simply a throwaway comment by Ron. Cetainly, from his reply, Joe didn't think so, as he was the one who complained about being labelled by Ron. At least, that's the way I read it. And I saw no need for your rude ... "let me shove your foot further in your mouth" comment. Keith, HK On Thu Oct 11 22:47 , Jeff Gaynor sent: >Keith wrote: >> If I could answer on Joe's behalf, because I sometimes have the same >> problem. >> The label is 'Ballroom dance studio" thereby implying that the instructor is >> a ballroom instructor who cannot teach Tango as it'd danced in Argentina. >> >> Since Joe also teaches Argentine Tango classes, why not call it a Tango >> dance >> studio? Or just a dance studio. >> >> But I think we all know why Ron called it a Ballroom dance studio. >> >> Keith, HK >> >Since I live in Urbana and know both Ron and Joe and have studied with >them, let me shove your foot further in your mouth. > >Joe teaches Argentine Tango (billed as such) at a large dance studio >called the Regent Ballroom, which teaches (surprise) ballroom, among >other things. He is not the proprietor and he is not going to be able to >change the name of it. Don't tell him to. Ron wasn't just calling him >names, contrary to what you think. > >Joe does teach open embrace and he and Carlota are very good at it. Yes >we all know Ron loves apilado style but that doesn't mean when he makes >a statement of fact it is a barb. Joe and Carlota are really nice people >and they do a lot for tango in the community by taking on the thankless >tasks of doing the long-running Wed. night milongas downtown plus others. > >Generally Ron and Joe have good relations and work well at keeping tango >up and running in the area. A hearty thank you to both of them. Both >realize they cater to different tastes and both are mature, responsible >adults who accept this. Both also understand that some sort of >ego-induced rivalry would divide the community to the point tango would >be severely and negatively impacted, with me among others as the losers. >I've never seen either of them behave with anything other than >professional decorum towards each other. Don't set up an antagonism that >doesn't exist. > >Clear on this? > >Jeff G >___ >Tango-L mailing list >Tango-L@mit.edu >http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
