TB and post forms

2004-03-19 Thread Alexey N. Vinogradov
Hello, tbbeta.

I've tried to use one www4mail service with The Bat!
I've request the start page of the one of the searching system, and when I've
received the HTML document with forms, filled the search request and pressed
search, TB makes an empty letter addressed to www4mail service. However, when
I do the same thing on computer where Outlook Express is default mail client,
such mail contained form's fields, like XGET=www.somesite.org...

The received HTML document has the form:
html
form method=post enctype=application/x-www-form-urlencoded action=mailto:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]
...
/form
/html

I suppose that TB can't work properly with such HTML forms which are posted
using post method.

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Re: AntiSpam for a friend

2004-03-19 Thread Foster, Graham
Hello Peter

 Maybe, yes. But does he have to? (I have no experience whatsoever with
 Outlook...)

The SpamBayes plugin is far superior to K9 for an Outlook/Exchange
combination. I use K9 at Home (My wife won't use TB! and prefers OE -
as it changes less often), I use Outlook/Exchange with SpamBayes at
work (Diary  contacts mainly), and prefer TB! with Bayesit for e-mail
(or more recently the opensource Bayes plugin). All work pretty well,
with the minimum of setup, but they each have their restrictions (e.g.
K9 won't work with IMAP/Exchange, The TB! plugins are specific to TB!
but integrate tightly (e.g. right click learning), as SpamBayes is
specific to Outlook (not OE)

If the user wants to go a different route completely - then get them
to try Thunderbird / Mozilla as it has inbuilt Bayes based spam
filtering and works equally well with IMAP  POP (if you have a 7Ghz
dual processor machine with 3Gb RAM that is ;)
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Re: TB and post forms

2004-03-19 Thread Jernej Simoni
On Friday, March 19, 2004, 10:08:11, Alexey N. Vinogradov wrote:

 html
 form method=post enctype=application/x-www-form-urlencoded
 action=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 ...
 /form
 /html

 I suppose that TB can't work properly with such HTML forms which are posted
 using post method.

The bit of HTML code you posted is invalid - the only action you can specify
with form must start with http:// . There is no guarantee that the user's
browser will understand any other protocol.

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Re[2]: TB and post forms

2004-03-19 Thread Alexey N. Vinogradov
Hello, Jernej.

You wrote 19.03.2004 @ 19:07  in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  using mailer The Bat! (v2.05 Beta/1)

 form method=post enctype=application/x-www-form-urlencoded
 action=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
...

JS The bit of HTML code you posted is invalid - the only action you can specify
JS with form must start with http:// . There is no guarantee that the user's
JS browser will understand any other protocol.

May be... But this is the exact code which www4mail uses when it sends pages by
e-mail. Try to send a letter to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with an url of a
site in the body... Then look at HTML source of the answer. This is proper way
of how this www4mail service works.


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Re: TB and post forms

2004-03-19 Thread Jernej Simoni
On Friday, March 19, 2004, 14:05:05, Martin Webster wrote:

 At the risk of going off topic, I think this is incorrect. Surely, the action can
 include any valid URI, which includes URLs. For example:

It can include it, but there is no guarantee it will work - for all you
know, I may have no mailer installer - what should the browser do then?

And even if I have a mailer, will it understand how to process the data
passed from browser? It is obvious, that The Bat can't (and believe me, it's
far from the only mailer which gets confused).

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Re: TB and post forms

2004-03-19 Thread MaXxX
On Friday, March 19, 2004, at 3:23:43 PM, Jernej Simoni picked up a
feather, dipped its tip in ink, and began scribbling:

 It can include it, but there is no guarantee it will work - for all you
 know, I may have no mailer installer - what should the browser do then?

The problem concerned not website forms, but forms sent as HTML mail,
filled out, and the data submitted via a urlencoded message.

The user cannot possibly have no mailer installed, being able to
receive by mail and fill out a form :)

 And even if I have a mailer, will it understand how to process the data
 passed from browser? It is obvious, that The Bat can't (and believe me, it's
 far from the only mailer which gets confused).

I'd definitely disagree here. All mailers I've seen can properly
create a message in the urlencoded form - INCLUDING TB!. Little Bat
cannot, however, create a message originating (and submitted) from its
INTERNAL browser.

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Re[2]: TB and post forms

2004-03-19 Thread Alexey N. Vinogradov
Hello, MaXxX.

You wrote 19.03.2004 @ 22:41  in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  using mailer The Bat! (v2.04.4)

M The problem concerned not website forms, but forms sent as HTML mail,
M filled out, and the data submitted via a urlencoded message.

Yes, but the difference that usually get method is used - i.e. the form fields
just added to url. But in the case of www4mail post method is used, and from
the number of mailers only Outlook can process such forms properly.

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Re: Birthday

2004-03-19 Thread Oliver Wolfram
Ian,

[EMAIL PROTECTED] - [Freitag, 19. März 2004, 10:16:29]:

 It looks like TB! only checks for birthdays on the first start of the
 day. I had to add a birthday entry today and on restarting TB!, there
 was no further prompt to cerate a message.

It seems to check several times. However you don't get a reminder if
you enter the birthday for the same day (as you described above). Enter
a birthday reminder for tomorrow and it will then keep on nagging you on
every restart until you press Yes. (One could argue that TB
shouldn't remind you of a birthday on the day you entered it, but one
year later. Speaking of which: are the birthdays renewed for the next
year?)

Cheers,
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Root folder option under IMAP

2004-03-19 Thread Marcus Williams
Hi -

Does the root folder option do anything in the IMAP setup? I thought
it was so you could set up the INBOX folder to point to a different
root. So, say I had a subfolder off my INBOX called test I could
point the root folder at INBOX.test and my inbox would be rooted off
that folder. It doesnt seem to do this though :(

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BR or FR?: %HDRReferences= does not work

2004-03-19 Thread Richard Anders
Hello TBBeta,

I think everybody can confirm that

%HDRReferences= and
%SETHEADER(References, )

don't work.

They don't work since 1.63 Beta 11 and so you might say, this is just
right because it's a protected field like e.g. X-Mailer.

But I think it's a bug (or at last a feature request), because it's

wrong: You should have the possibility to clean it e.g. when
   you forward a message
senseless: You can edit this field in the editor
not logic: The X-Mailer field is protected, because TheBat! could be
   classified as spamware, but why Protect the References field?

It would be greate to hear your opinion: Bug, feature request or is it
correct as it is?


PS: Thanks a lot of for confirmations of
https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0002682

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Re: Birthday

2004-03-19 Thread Dierk Haasis
Hello Oliver!

On Friday, March 19, 2004 at 4:25:40 PM you wrote:

 Speaking of which: are the birthdays renewed for the next year?)

Yes.





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Re[2]: Birthday

2004-03-19 Thread Cees Schouten
Hallo Dierk,

Op een vrijdag 19 maart 2004 om 19:24:55 schreef jij over Birthday:

 Speaking of which: are the birthdays renewed for the next year?)
DH Yes.

Yups, every year I get a year older. sigh

:-))

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