Re: Smiley madness as was foretold (was: Re: Invalid HTML)

[Thorvald Neumann]

Hæ!

I support your point, MaXxX. ;)

I am also using *only* the plain text viewer and these "colonicons" are
getting on my nerves, too.

Is it possible to create a filter which deletes anything between two
colons from messages?

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PCWSmileys errors

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Arjan!

On Wednesday, July 28, 2004 at 2:20:05 AM you wrote:

> My TB! setup doesn't recognize MBA, :graduate:, NBA, SCNR and
> ;trillstm:

:tardis: isn't recognised either. There's also the matter of a
password protected ZIP file within the ZIP file. And some stray
Roguemoticons (like Agent Smith, a double Paul Cartwright and a double
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Re: PGP log icons incorrect

[Den V. Yafyasov]

Hello.

PM> Hi all,

PM> this is not a new issue and not a very important one at that.

PM> I have PGP 6.5.8ckt8.0 installed along with GnuPG, and when I use
PM> TB!'s internal PGP implementation, the icons and the information in
PM> the log panel are confused. No matter if a signature is invalid,
PM> valid, or ultimately trusted - all icons show ultimate trust. When I
PM> use the plugin, everything is shown correctly. For easy reference have
PM> a look at
PM> https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0002019
PM> The screen shots explain more than I can do in words. :-)

PM> My question here is: does this only apply to 6.5.8ckt builds? How does
PM> the log panel show the validity of signatures with PGP 8.x?


I am using PGP 8.1 and all OK.

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Re: IMAP: Unable to save attachments until message is moved to other folder.

[Allie Martin]

Charles M. Gerungan, [CMG] wrote:

AM>> One other thing. What sync setting are you using. Are you using
AM>> 'header and text'. This option will lead to attachments not being
AM>> downloaded.

> Yes, but shouldn't they get downloaded when I double-click the
> message? If not, how do I download them?

Upon testing at this end, they seem to be downloaded once I do
something with them, i.e., opening them for viewing or saving them.

I don't know what's happening at your end. :/

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Re: OT Change in Subject Line (was Invalid HTML)

[Arjan de Groot]

On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 13:09:07 -0500, Mary Bull wrote:

> I'm an MBA graduate! :graduate: :-)

> That's :grad:

 rofl

> :rofl2:

>>> Is that like a NBA graduate

>> I don't know, you'll have to ask Thomas. ;-)

> SCNR

> :gdr: :42:  ;trillstm:

My TB! setup doesn't recognize MBA, :graduate:, NBA, SCNR and
;trillstm:

Could this be a bug in the 2.12.03 Postrelease Beta version?


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Re: IMAP: Date-part of Date Created column ignored?

[Kevin Amazon]

Hi Charles M. Gerungan

-
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I live) you wrote:


>  That /must/ be it.

;-)

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Re: IMAP: Unable to save attachments until message is moved to other folder.

[Charles M. Gerungan]

Hello Allie,

Allie Martin wrote on Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:31:07 -0500 UTC:

AM> One other thing. What sync setting are you using. Are you using 'header
AM> and text'. This option will lead to attachments not being downloaded.

Yes, but shouldn't they get downloaded when I double-click the
message? If not, how do I download them?

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Re: bug: AV

[Marek Mikus]

Hello all,
Wednesday, July 28, 2004, dAniel hAhler wrote:

> just attached a file to a message and opened it (after the warning to
> better save it) and got this one:

> ---
> The Bat!
> ---
> Access violation at address 01B7E254. Read of address 0070.
> ---
> OK   
> ---

> Not reproducible - second attempt opened the file.

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Re: IMAP: Unable to save attachments until message is moved to other folder.

[Allie Martin]

Charles M. Gerungan, [CMG] wrote:

AM>> Once you've displayed a message for viewing, any associated
AM>> attachments are downloaded and cached for saving, displaying etc.
AM>> I don't have such a problem here.

> Strange. I had this since I started with TB! about 2 months ago.

One other thing. What sync setting are you using. Are you using 'header
and text'. This option will lead to attachments not being downloaded.

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Re: IMAP: Date-part of Date Created column ignored?

[Charles M. Gerungan]

Hello Kevin,

Kevin Amazon wrote on Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:12:57 -0700 UTC:

KA> I can't tell you but there might be a clue. SpamAssassin determined
KA> that the date_missing macro got a positive result. Perhaps the
KA> original message does not have a date or a valid date. Just thinking
KA> out loud.

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Re: another one (was: bug: AV)

[dAniel hAhler]

Hello TBBETA,

on Wed, 28. Jul 2004 at 01:12:02 +0200 I wrote:

> Access violation at address 01B7E254. Read of address 0070.

Just when sending this I got this one:

->8
Access violation at address 005C. Read of address 005C.
->8

and another one when saving this message as draft:
->8
Access violation at address 008598C8 in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address 0117.
->8

Scary.. :(


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Re: IMAP: Unable to save attachments until message is moved to other folder.

[Charles M. Gerungan]

Hello Allie,

Allie Martin wrote on Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:09:16 -0500 UTC:

AM> Once you've displayed a message for viewing, any associated
AM> attachments are downloaded and cached for saving, displaying etc.
AM> I don't have such a problem here.

Strange. I had this since I started with TB! about 2 months ago.

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Re: TB Does not close when some task cannot complete...

[Costas Papadopoulos]

> I've constated multiple time a problem when The Bat! cannot
> handle the tasks...  example, if i loss the connexion between me and
> my mail server, the POP3 connexion stay active in the TaskList of
> The Bat, but does not advance anymore...

I face a similar problem. It happens when I have a fairly large number
of  emails  to  download. The CC freezes at random points. It could be
the  sixth  message  or  the  sixtieth.  I can never tell when it will
happen.  The  only  solution  for me is to invoke the Task Manager and
kill The Bat.

It's become so irritating that I'm seriously considering changing back
to  Pegasus, which I used to use up till a couple of years ago, before
I purchased The Bat.

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Re: OT Change in Subject Line (was Invalid HTML)

[Ben Allen]

Howdy Kevin,

Tuesday, July 27, 2004, 6:02:04 PM, Kevin wrotened:

>> I'm an MBA graduate! :graduate: :-)

KA> ROFL

Is that like a NBA graduate


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Change in Subject Line (was Invalid HTML)

[Kevin Amazon]

Hi Thomas Fernandez

-
On Tue, 27 Jul 2004, at 22:52:08 [GMT +0700] (which was 8:52 AM where
I live) you wrote:


> I meant it tongue-in-cheek,...

I know.


> It may well be that Nettiquete is understood differently across
> newsgroups (especially across countries, and most of the NGs I
> subscribe to are in German), but then, this isn't a newsgroup.

Perhaps


> I'm an MBA graduate! :graduate: :-)

ROFL

> I don't follow. If the subject is changed, it won't show up in your
> search any more, would it?

Yes, and that is my point. An example: Here is a subject a few posts
up: "Invalid HTML (was: Beta cycle suggestion)." Ok, I want to do a
search on "Beta cycle." What I get are all the posts with "beta cycle"
in the post (including the subject). So, I also get this specific post
that has nothing whatsoever to do with "beta cycle." Multiply that by
however many occurrences there in the archives.

> We have experimented with deleting the references for new subjects on
> the OT list. The result was that the history of the thread was lost,
> and it was useless for those who wanted to go up the thread and see
> what the line of argument was.

I understand.

> It's not how I see it. Threads should not be hijacked, of course, but
> some threads develop different "arms", and it is a poster's
> responsable decision to change the subject or open a new thread.

"it is a poster's responsable decision to change the subject or open a
new thread" is the potential problem, IMO

None of this is really worth the bandwidth. I was only pointing out an
annoyance in searching the archives when the subject lines of threads
change so often. I will certainly live with it and I appreciate all
the comments.

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Re: Invalid HTML

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Kevin,

On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:27:04 -0700 GMT (27/07/2004, 01:27 +0700 GMT),
Kevin Amazon wrote:

>> You'd better know what you are doing.

KA> I'm sure I will be admonished and rightly so. Just responding to your
KA> message makes me a contributing factor in the problem I would like to
KA> solve.

I meant it tongue-in-cheek, but it is up to the moderators to decide
whether my reply to yours is still appropriate.

>> Do you know a guy named Schroedinger, by the way? He once had a cat...

KA> Too funny. This comment may be more true than I yet realize.

You gave me an opening. I took it. That's the kind of guy I am. Cannot
resist. :badguy:

>> I don't know about forums, but this I learned on the Usenet: When
>> changing the subject, repeat the old subject in parenthesis, preceeded
>> by "was:". Whoever replies to it, will take the string with the
>> parenthesis out and leave only the new subject intact.

KA> To be honest, I don't frequent USENET as much as I used to but at the
KA> time, changing subjects was considered a violation of "Netetiquette."

It may well be that Nettiquete is understood differently across
newsgroups (especially across countries, and most of the NGs I
subscribe to are in German), but then, this isn't a newsgroup.

KA> Perhaps that has changed. I used to mod on a couple of forums and
KA> changing subject within a thread was just not allowed. No matter.

>> What do you suggest instead?

KA> You are pinning me down. Good for you. :-)

I'm an MBA graduate! :graduate: :-)

KA> To be honest, it is up to the mods to determine how they want to
KA> run the group. My issue is simple. I am trying to justify rolling
KA> out TB to multiple users and I have to assess the usability of TB
KA> considering the fragmented and minimal documentation.
KA> Consequently, I go to the archives to find out from other people's
KA> experience how to better use the system. I am annoyed that when I
KA> do a key word search, totally extraneous material comes up because
KA> of the changed subject lines. My task is therefore made more
KA> difficult.

I don't follow. If the subject is changed, it won't show up in your
search any more, would it?

KA> If it were my board (which it isn't), I would not allow the changing
KA> of subject lines. New topics should have new subjects in a new thread.

We have experimented with deleting the references for new subjects on
the OT list. The result was that the history of the thread was lost,
and it was useless for those who wanted to go up the thread and see
what the line of argument was.

KA> Minor deviation of subject matter contained within a post to a thread
KA> should definitely be allowed and monitored by the mods. What I am
KA> seeing now appears to me to be mass "thread hijacking" under the guise
KA> of "if I modify the subject, it will be OK." That is how I see it
KA> anyway. Others will certainly have different opinions.

It's not how I see it. Threads should not be hijacked, of course, but
some threads develop different "arms", and it is a poster's
responsable decision to change the subject or open a new thread.

We should change the subject of this thread (again) if we continue,
but now I have the feeling we should continue on TBOT anyway.

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Re[4]: Attachments: Word attachments wil not display

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello 9Val,
Tuesday, July 27, 2004, 10:17:06 AM, you wrote:

SC>> Sorry, I don't have that mid available, could you give me an idea what
SC>> to search the archives for?

9> It is attached, but after attentive rereading your post I think I made
9> wrong suggestion.


Yes, this is not the problem. As the screen shot suggests, I tried
opening it using the File -> Open command and this still gave me the
same message.

On inspecting the properties of the three files, I see that the
problem file only has one Tab labled General, while the other two
files have General, Custom and Sumary tabs.

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Re[3]: Attachments: Word attachments wil not display

[9Val]

Hello Stuart, 

SC> Sorry, I don't have that mid available, could you give me an idea what
SC> to search the archives for?

It is attached, but after attentive rereading your post I think I made
wrong suggestion.

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Friday, June 25, 2004, Kevin Amazon wrote:

>> I seem to have another problem with our IMAP folders. We have several
>> IMAP folder that contain messages with MS Word Attachments. When
>> messages are accessed with TB, the attachment shows as a winmail.dat
>> file. Of course, the file, when opened, displays as garbage. When the
>> message is accessed via Outlook 2003, the attachment displays as the
>> proper .doc file.

>> Anyone else having this problem?

> This issue has now become a serious and embarrassing problem for us.
> I have cleared the cache in the appropriate folders, re-synchronized
> the folders, etc. to no avail.

> No one else has this problem? If not, can someone point me to what I
> may be doing wrong?

this  is  not a bug, files "winmail.dat" and "message.att" are created
by  MS  Outlook  with  MS  Exchange  and encoded by proprietary format
called MS-TNEF, only Microsoft products can decode them AFAIK.

1) You can ask sender to change setting of their MS Exchange from
MS-TNEF to Base64, files will be accessible from TB and other
alternative mail clients

2) You can use utility FENTUN, which can decode file, you can save it
to disk then and open in MS Word.

File  is  here for example, reg files for specifying Fentun as default
for dat and att extensions are included:
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Re[2]: Attachments: Word attachments wil not display

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello 9Val,
Tuesday, July 27, 2004, 10:08:07 AM, you wrote:

SC>>   Does anyone have any ideas why The Bat! would single out this file
SC>>   for special treatment?

9> May be it is like mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ?


Sorry, I don't have that mid available, could you give me an idea what
to search the archives for?


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Re: Attachments: Word attachments wil not display

[9Val]

Hello Stuart, 

SC>   Does anyone have any ideas why The Bat! would single out this file
SC>   for special treatment?

May be it is like mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ?

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Attachments: Word attachments wil not display

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello tbbeta,

  I just received three documents in Word format and tried to open
  them. Two of them opened normally, but the third one gave me the
  error message in the attachment below.

  I then tried saving them to disk, no change.

  I then tried opening them in OE and they opened just fine.

  Does anyone have any ideas why The Bat! would single out this file
  for special treatment?

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Re: F9 sometimes crash The Bat!

[Krzysztof Kudlacik]

On 2004-07-26, 13:57, you wrote:
> Have anyone encountered similar problem? TIA.

Confirmed.  It happens when I press F9 soon after starting of TB! - before
TB!  starts to 'count' VF. All is OK when I wait a longer - when TB! loads
all VF and its content F9 works fine  (message weight doesn't matter).
 

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