Re: 3.0.9.2 Pre-Beta - Account List

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello Stefan,

On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 you wrote in 

ST> Well, it should, but only when you expand the tree to the hard-coded
ST> depth (which is 5 now)

and is the hard code setting 8 in the "Message Flag" column in the
"Message List"? I hope that will soon change back to the old setting so
that the column expands to accommodate however many messages are in the
thread.

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Re: 3.0.9.2 Pre-Beta - Account List

[Prezes]

Hello,
Tuesday, March 1, 2005, 9:09:54 PM, you wrote:

ST> Well, it should, but only when you expand the tree to the hard-coded
ST> depth (which is 5 now) :-)

Please rollback to left alignement of number of messages in account
tree :)

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Re: 3.0.9.2 Pre-Beta - Account List

[Prezes]

Hello,
Wednesday, March 2, 2005, 9:12:37 AM, you wrote:

RW> and is the hard code setting 8 in the "Message Flag" column in the
RW> "Message List"? I hope that will soon change back to the old setting so
RW> that the column expands to accommodate however many messages are in the
RW> thread.

Yes, true.

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Re: 3.0.9.2 Pre-Beta - Account List

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello Prezes,

On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 you wrote in 

P> Please rollback to left alignement of number of messages in account
P> tree

Oh yes please!

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Backup Observation and Questions

[Avi Yashar]

I have used the TB backup utility to transfer TB from one computer to
another. Unfortunately, I find that there are problems in both the
backup process and the restore process.

The backup process appears to work fine if I don't backup any IMAP
accounts. But at least one IMAP account seems to have a problem with
the Inbox. So, okay, I just skipped the backup of the IMAP accounts
(just test accounts anyway).

When I do the restore process, however, I discover new problems.
Everything is fine except the attachments. When I try to restore the
attachments, the restore utility fails each time. Everything goes well
if I restore without the attachments.

So my question is: Can I just copy my entire directory structure over
the installation as a primitive sort of backup. In other words, just
zip up my TB directory along with all of its subdirectories (including
the attachments) and then just unzip those directories on the new
computer? That seems to be the only way I can get all of my settings
and files using the built-in TB backup-restore process.

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Re: Backup Observation and Questions

[Dick H]

Hello Avi,

On 02 March 2005 at 10:43:39 GMT +0200 (which was 09:43:39 where I
live), Avi Yashar wrote and made these valuable points on the subject
of "Backup Observation and Questions":

> I have used the TB backup utility to transfer TB from one computer to
> another. Unfortunately, I find that there are problems in both the
> backup process and the restore process.

> The backup process appears to work fine if I don't backup any IMAP
> accounts. But at least one IMAP account seems to have a problem with
> the Inbox. So, okay, I just skipped the backup of the IMAP accounts
> (just test accounts anyway).

> When I do the restore process, however, I discover new problems.
> Everything is fine except the attachments. When I try to restore the
> attachments, the restore utility fails each time. Everything goes well
> if I restore without the attachments.

> So my question is: Can I just copy my entire directory structure over
> the installation as a primitive sort of backup. In other words, just
> zip up my TB directory along with all of its subdirectories (including
> the attachments) and then just unzip those directories on the new
> computer? That seems to be the only way I can get all of my settings
> and files using the built-in TB backup-restore process.

My laptop crashed yesterday and I had to rebuild everything :">)(*&^%$!. 
Luckily, I make backups of my TB program directory and email folder 
(encrypted!!) to another PC every day (using SynchBackSE). Once a week, I also 
export TB registry entries. After I restored the TB program and email folder 
from the other PC to my laptop and imported the registry entries, I had TB up 
and running in about 5 minutes without any problem. 

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Re: 3.0.9.2 Pre-Beta - Account List

[Tony Boom]

Hello Richard,

  A reminder of what Richard Wakeford on TBBETA typed on:
  02 March 2005 at 09:33:20 GMT +0100

P> Please rollback to left alignement of number of messages in account
P> tree  

RW> Oh yes please!

 Yes Yes... Oh yes!

This thread is beginning to sound like "When Harry met Sally" :)


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Re: Backup Observation and Questions

[Tony Boom]

Hello Avi,

  A reminder of what Avi Yashar on TBBETA typed on:
  02 March 2005 at 09:43:50 GMT +0100

AY> So my question is: Can I just copy my entire directory structure over
AY> the installation as a primitive sort of backup

 Oh yes, I do it all the time, it may be primitive but it works absolutely
 perfectly every time.

 Make a directory in your TB! folder and copy the text below to notepad and
 save it into that folder as register.bat.

 Then run it and it will save all your registry entries as a .reg file into
 that directory.

 Then zip your complete TheBat! folder up and move it to your other PC.
 Double click the reg file and it'll be as if you never moved it at all.

 All you'll need to do is create a desktop shortcut. The reg file will be
 called Encrypted1.reg but it doesn't matter. The reason is I used two
 registry entries when testing OTFE.

 ---8<---
 
if exist Encrypted1.reg del Encrypted2.reg

if exist Encrypted1.reg rename Encrypted1.reg Encrypted2.reg
start /w regedit /e Encrypted1.reg "HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat!"
echo.
if not exist Encrypted1.reg echo Error!  Something went wrong.  Backup not
echo successful.
if exist Encrypted1.reg echo Success!  Your Unencrypted registry entries for 
The Bat! are
echo backed up!

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Re: 3.0.9.1 Pre-Beta is now available

[Tony Boom]

Hello Stefan,

  A reminder of what Stefan Tanurkov on TBBETA typed on:
  01 March 2005 at 15:23:56 GMT +0100

ST>   - Reply button has a drop-down with Reply template selection (it's
ST> possible to define whether a QT can be used for reply)

 I tried this, it doesn't work. I defined a QT which did appear in the drop
 down list but when I tried it, it just quoted the whole complete message I
 was trying to quote from and not just the highlighted text that was
 supposed to be in box quotes.


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Re[2]: 3.0.9.1 Pre-Beta is now available

[Dick H]

Hello Tony,

On 01 March 2005 at 11:28:05 GMT + (which was 12:28:05 where I
live), Tony Boom wrote and made these valuable points on the subject
of "3.0.9.1 Pre-Beta  is now available":

>  Oh yes I know all that. It's a different problem to what I have. I keep
>  getting told it can't load the user depot file and then it exits at the
>  splash screen.

>  3 or 4 people have reported it but so far no answer from the men who might
>  know.

Strange that apart from disabling OTFE, nobody has given a solution yet for 
this problem...and I'm not going to disable OTFE in order to get this alpha 
version working on my PC.

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Re: 3.0.9.1 Pre-Beta is now available

[Stuart Hemming]

> Strange that apart from disabling OTFE, nobody has given a
> solution yet for this problem...and I'm not going to disable OTFE in
> order to get this alpha version working on my PC.
I've been surprised about Stefan's reticence on answering this one
especially as he's been popping in to comment on other problems.

I think I'll stick with what I've got until I can run with OTFE
enabled.

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Re: Backup Observation and Questions

[Avi Yashar]

Thanks Dick and Tony,

On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 09:05:56 +, Tony Boom wrote:

> AY> So my question is: Can I just copy my entire directory structure over
> AY> the installation as a primitive sort of backup
> 
> Oh yes, I do it all the time, it may be primitive but it works absolutely
> perfectly every time.

Then this is definitely simpler than the TB utility, which seems to
have some areas of, er..., hypersensitivity.

> Make a directory in your TB! folder and copy the text below to notepad and
> save it into that folder as register.bat.
>
> Then run it and it will save all your registry entries as a .reg file into
> that directory.

Done. And it seems to work well. This does copy over my
license/registration number as well?

> Then zip your complete TheBat! folder up and move it to your other PC.
> Double click the reg file and it'll be as if you never moved it at all.

Okay, let me ask one last question. Am I correct to say that this
process assumes that my identity in Windows XP and my directory
structure for TB does not change from computer to computer? If that
happens, what would I have to change?

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Re: 3.0.9.1 Pre-Beta is now available

[Stuart Hemming]

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Re: 3.0.9.1 Pre-Beta is now available

[Stuart Hemming]

>   This is a PGP encrypted message.
>   Click the security button to decrypt/verify it
Sorry about that. Finger trouble.

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3.0.9.2 attachments

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo tbbeta,

  I needed to send a file as attachment. TB decided to split it up in
  parts, while it wasn't configured to do so.
  And said parts couldn't be put together into a proper message with
  an attachment (at least not by TB) (I sent it to a mailing list).
  The received message lacked some headers, that is to say, these
  headers were found in the message body:

,- [  ]
| Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| Subject: Re: [DB BSV Krakeel]National Pen
| MIME-Version: 1.0
| Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
|  boundary="--C91EE1FB1A4702C8"
`-

  Therefore there was no way that TB could show the received
  attachment. :-(
  When needed, I can send archived copies of the original message, the
  five parts and the new construct...


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Re: 3.0.9.1 Pre-Beta is now available

[Tony Boom]

Hello Dick,

  A reminder of what Dick H on TBBETA typed on:
  02 March 2005 at 10:33:25 GMT +0100

DH> Strange that apart from disabling OTFE, nobody has given a solution yet
DH> for this problem...and I'm not going to disable OTFE in order to get
DH> this alpha version working on my PC.

It's "Working" now, I may try converting back to OTFE to see what happens
but I suspect the same error will occur.


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Re: Backup Observation and Questions

[Tony Boom]

Hello Avi,

  A reminder of what Avi Yashar on TBBETA typed on:
  02 March 2005 at 10:44:29 GMT +0100

AY> Done. And it seems to work well. This does copy over my
AY> license/registration number as well?

 Oh yes, like I said, it's as if you've never moved.

AY> Okay, let me ask one last question. Am I correct to say that this
AY> process assumes that my identity in Windows XP and my directory
AY> structure for TB does not change from computer to computer? If that
AY> happens, what would I have to change?

I don't know, I've never faced that situation sorry.


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Re: Backup Observation and Questions

[Stuart Hemming]

AY>> Okay, let me ask one last question. Am I correct to say that this
AY>> process assumes that my identity in Windows XP and my directory
AY>> structure for TB does not change from computer to computer? If that
AY>> happens, what would I have to change?
As far as the directory structures go it should be a case of replacing
...
X:\\My\\Old\Directory

with

Z:\\A\\New\\Directory

in the file Encryped1.reg.

Note the double backslash.

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Re: Backup Observation and Questions

[Avi Yashar]

On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:03:30 +, Stuart Hemming wrote:

> As far as the directory structures go it should be a case of replacing

Got it. Thanks Tony. Thanks Stuart. I'm set to migrate.

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Re[3]: 3.0.9.1 Pre-Beta is now available

[Stefan Tanurkov]

Dear Peter,

PH> Stefan, can you enlighten us about the reasons?

No, I can't, sorry. Maxim is responsible for the encryption stuff, he is
out of the town right now, I'm going ask him when he's back in a couple of
days...



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Re: Backup Observation and Questions

[Tony Boom]

Hello Avi,

  A reminder of what Avi Yashar on TBBETA typed on:
  02 March 2005 at 12:29:54 GMT +0100

AY> Got it. Thanks Tony. Thanks Stuart. I'm set to migrate.

 I gave up all that migration lark years ago, made my arms ache too much.


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Re[2]: html whitelist wish

[Paul Van Noord]

3/1/2005  9:50 PM

Hi Leif,

On 2/27/2005 Leif Gregory wrote:

LG> Hi Goncalo,

LG> On Sun, 27 Feb 2005, at 17:01:39 [GMT +] (which was 10:01 AM where
LG> I live) you wrote:
GF>> I really don't care about other users, I care about my needs and
GF>> if I can accomplish them with the software I'm using.

LG> Exactly the poor attitude Tony, Paul and I are trying to curtail. The
LG> completely selfish, me first attitude. Let the rest of the world
LG> suffer as long as I get what I want.

LG> Cookidence...

AMEN!

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Re[2]: html whitelist wish

[Paul Van Noord]

3/1/2005  9:33 PM

Hi Leif,

On 2/27/2005 Leif Gregory wrote:

LG> Hi Goncalo,

GF>> If it's something you can switch on or off then you're in no more
GF>> danger than being alive.

GF>> I'm sure you manage to get a better justification!

LG> People in general do need to be protected from themselves. It makes it
LG> rough on those of us in the know, but if it means my mom and dad are
LG> protected I'm willing to sacrifice a bit of so-called "functionality"
LG> to do that.

I have been out of town and just now could get my messages. You said
this very well! We who are in the know have a responsibility to look
out for those who aren't, at least until they have time to play
catchup. However, you will always have the newbies. Let's stop being
selfish and address the common good and contribute to a safer, more
private Internet.

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Re[3]: html whitelist wish

[Paul Van Noord]

3/1/2005  9:38 PM

Hi Goncalo,

On 2/27/2005 Goncalo Farias wrote:

GF> I  disagree.  It's  vulnerable because MS was unable to anticipate the
GF> misuse  of  the  technology they were providing. Now they made it more
GF> secure  (not  perfectly secure) without cutting down the functionality
GF> that people had.
I hope you do not believe this! M$ has already publicly admitted their
products were never designed for security, especially IE & OE.

GF> MS didn't realize how their technology could be misused...
Really? Really? You must be kidding!
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Re[2]: html whitelist wish

[Paul Van Noord]

3/1/2005  10:13 PM

Hi The,

On 2/27/2005 The Final Cut wrote:

TFC> Pocomail, incredimail, eurora, Express plus are all email
TFC> clients that their programmers don't code browsers
TFC> they all have great html supports too!

Duh, they use IE.

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Re[2]: html whitelist wish

[Paul Van Noord]

3/1/2005  10:00 PM

Hi Tony,

On 2/27/2005 Tony Boom wrote:

TB>  In an ideal world yes, but you tick the box for one message and forget to
TB>  untick it, what happens then? Achilles and all his mates come charging in.

TB>  How about a button on the header pane that works on a per message basis.
TB>  It only appears if the message is html and requires images to be
TB>  downloaded. You click it, the pretty pictures appear and then it defaults
TB>  to off for the next message?

This is how it works in Foxmail.

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Re[2]: html whitelist wish

[Paul Van Noord]

3/1/2005  10:06 PM

Hi Mic,

On 2/27/2005 Mic Cullen wrote:

MC> The same, but my statement stands: if you have any idea as to what you're 
doing,
MC> the downsized output from a higher quality quality camera is going to be 
better
MC> than from a cheaper one. I don't think this is much of a stretch for people
MC> who've done both and who know what they're doing.

It is sad to see you challenged by ordinary English. This was about
the resolution of the pictures, not the quality of the camera.
Besides, the quality of the optics influences the quality of the
picture much  more than the electronics.

Next week we are starting digital photography 101 and have one opening
available.

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Re: html whitelist wish

[Mic Cullen]

At 22:11 [GMT-0500] on Tuesday March 1 (actual time - 11:11am on Wednesday in
Perth, Western Australia), you wrote:

MC>> The same, but my statement stands: if you have any idea as to what you're 
doing,
MC>> the downsized output from a higher quality quality camera is going to be 
better
MC>> than from a cheaper one. I don't think this is much of a stretch for people
MC>> who've done both and who know what they're doing.

> It is sad to see you challenged by ordinary English. This was about

English is very CLEARLY not your first language, so I'll refrain from commenting
on yours.

> the resolution of the pictures, not the quality of the camera.

Hair-splitting isn't a good idea at the best of times, but it's less so when
attempting to make spurious points, when in the context you were using it,
resolution/quality appear quite interchangeable.

> Besides, the quality of the optics influences the quality of the
> picture much  more than the electronics.

No kidding. However, we weren't discussing that. YOU wrote initially:

> A 1600x1200 picture reduced to 320x240 for viewing in a newsletter
> will look worse than the same picture taken at 640x480. Why waste the
> resources for an inferior product?

Not much reference there to lens quality. And I stand by my initial statement:
that is clearly incorrect information you are giving out if the person doing the
image manipulation has even the vaguest idea as to what they're doing.

> Next week we are starting digital photography 101 and have one opening
> available.

When being a smart-arse, it's preferable to be former rather than the latter.
You might consider it.

Anyway, this is:

a) dead-horsed, whether you've been away or not, and

b) a poor attempt to drag a losing discussion off-course.

The 21st century beckons.

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Re[2]: 3.0.9.2 Pre-Beta - Oddity Windows 98

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello Stefan,
Tuesday, March 1, 2005, 2:12:00 PM, you wrote:

ST> Good [morning|afternoon|day|evening|night]  Stuart,

SC>>   When viewing the Message list in Windows 98, I can see nothing under
SC>> the Subject or under the From headings. In Windows 2000 it is working
SC>> properly. Confirmations?

ST> Looks like your system does not support Unicode output. Is it OSR2 or
ST> original Win98?

I am using Windows 98 SE.

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Re[3]: 3.0.9.2 Pre-Beta - Oddity Windows 98

[Stefan Tanurkov]

Hi Stuart,

SC> I am using Windows 98 SE.


Did you try to change the font of the message list? Say, to Tahoma or other
TrueType?

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Re[4]: 3.0.9.2 Pre-Beta - Oddity Windows 98

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello Stefan,
Wednesday, March 2, 2005, 8:18:03 AM, you wrote:

SC>> I am using Windows 98 SE.

ST> Did you try to change the font of the message list? Say, to Tahoma or other
ST> TrueType?

 I  am  already  using  a TrueType font, but a change to Tahoma did no
 good. I can read the info in created, received and size columns, just
 not the From and Subject columns.
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Re: 3.0.9.2 Pre-Beta Interface details

[Boris Anders]

Hello Giampaolo,

Giampaolo Bellavite wrote (in ):

> 4. toolbar background colour doesn't match the window colour, it's
> lighter (see attach bg.gif).

confirmed.


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Re: Pre-Beta micro-ed

[Boris Anders]

Hello Richard,

Richard Wakeford wrote (in ):

> Alt + "L" still fais after a few uses

Confirmed. Alt + L works only once per "editor opening". Hope this
limitation will die in next beta :-).


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Re: Pre-Beta micro-ed

[Michael Geyer]

Hi Boris and list,

On Wednesday, March 2, 2005 at 16:09:26 GMT +0100 (which was 16:09
where I live) Boris Anders wrote (at least in parts) and made these
valuable points on the subject of "Pre-Beta micro-ed":


> Richard Wakeford wrote (in
> ):

>> Alt + "L" still fais after a few uses

> Confirmed. Alt + L works only once per "editor opening". Hope this
> limitation will die in next beta :-).

Yep - confirmed.

My workaround: use ALT-J (justify) first (seems to work always), in
the same paragraph use Alt-L again. Works for me.


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Re: Address group photos no longer recognised

[Boris Anders]

Hello Richard,

Richard Wakeford wrote (in ):

> All rogue photos OK but no address book photos show.

Can't confirm, both are shown correct.


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Avi Yashar wrote:
> So my question is: Can I just copy my entire directory structure over
> the installation as a primitive sort of backup. In other words, just
> zip up my TB directory along with all of its subdirectories (including
> the attachments) and then just unzip those directories on the new
> computer? That seems to be the only way I can get all of my settings
> and files using the built-in TB backup-restore process.

I'm doing something simiar with Thunderbird.  I use PowerArchiver with a
backup script to backup the Thunderbird directories (Program and data)
to a USB drive then use a batch file with the powerarchiver commandline
to delete the old data off the computer and unparck what I had just
backed up from another computer.  Works quite well.  I can point you to
where to get the software and send you the backup script and restore
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Re: Address group photos no longer recognised

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello Boris,

On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 you wrote in 

>> All rogue photos OK but no address book photos show.

BA> Can't confirm, both are shown correct.

I have since installed The pre-beta over my old TB! whereas I had it in
a separate folder before (even though it all worked with the Alpha) and
it is all now back to normal so a false alarm on my part!

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Re: Pre-Beta micro-ed

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello Michael,

On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 you wrote in 

MG> My workaround: use ALT-J (justify) first (seems to work always), in
MG> the same paragraph use Alt-L again. Works for me.

Or, I've since found, just tap the space bar anywhere in the offending
paragraph and it re-aligns.

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Can't move folders

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Hello TBBETA,

didn't know if there was a report about this problem yet (if so, please
excuse me):

In 3.0.9.2 I'm not able to move folders. Neither with shortcuts
(ctrl+shift+ up|down|left|right) nor with the mouse (as there are no
entries in contextual menus).

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Re: exe-size

[Ivan]

Hello, Cees!

>   original size of thebat.exe:  10.847.744
>   after compression with UPX:3.850.752
Second way is compile EXE with option "Build with runtime packages".
In this case all exe-file will be splitted on some bpl-files (common
Borland libraries are very big) and little exe-file.

I don't know real proportions in the case of TheBat, but for example
exe-file may be 95kb instead 1025kb. :)
But may be 9Mb instead 10Mb ;)

Question to developers - what size of exe-file can be?

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Re: Can't move folders

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Hello Boris,

On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 you wrote in 

BA> In 3.0.9.2 I'm not able to move folders. Neither with shortcuts
BA> (ctrl+shift+ up|down|left|right) nor with the mouse

Confirm, here too.

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Pre-beta Ticker oddity

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Hi TB Beta list members,

When I open the mail ticker with more than one mail in the list, it
seems to me that the first Message list entry is scrolled off at the
top - even when there aren't enough messages to warrant a scroll.

Anyone else seen this?

Also, I noticed that the Find Message dialog buttons have been
replaced by a toolbar that is currently text only. Not sure if that's
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Re: Can't move folders

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Hello Peter,

On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 you wrote in 

PO> ALT+LMB while dragging does function (here).

Thanks, that's handy.

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Re: exe-size

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello NetVicious & everyone else,

on 02-Mrz-2005 at 01:31 you (NetVicious) wrote:

>>   original size of thebat.exe:  10.847.744
>>   after compression with UPX:3.850.752

> When  you  run an UPX file the exe it's auto-extracted into memory. So
> the UPXed exes need more memory than normal exe.

I thought so, too, but the UPX site says: "no memory overhead for your
compressed executables because of in-place decompression." I don't know how
this could be verified, however.

But then again, who hasn't got the HD space to store a 10MB exe versus a
4MB exe? I fail to see any sense in a compressed executable, and for
transfers an archiver does a better job anyway because multiple files can
be bundled.

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3.0.9.3 Pre-Beta is now available

[Stefan Tanurkov]

Hello All,

  3.0.9.3 Pre-Beta :-) is now available
  http://www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/beta/tb30903.rar

  Fixes are made for:
IMAP
Account Tree columns and shortcuts
Editor menus and shortcuts (not all yet :-)
Message Viewer Shortcuts
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Re: 3.0.9.3 Pre-Beta is now available

[Cees]

Het was op woensdag 2 maart 2005 om 20:10 uur dat jij iets schreef over 
'3.0.9.3 Pre-Beta is now available' :

Hallo Stefan,
  
ST> Account Tree columns and shortcuts

 check!
 
 how  about  :  View  ->  Message  Header.  It's  now on/off but no mmeans of
 changing the options, that is I for one can't find them.

 Btw, taglines here are absolutely random! :-))

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List of still existing and reported bugs (Was: 3.0.9.3 Pre-Beta is now available)

[Boris Anders]

Hello Stefan,

Stefan Tanurkov wrote (in ):

> 3.0.9.3 Pre-Beta :-) is now available
Thanks a lot. Maybe a list of still not fixed problems:

- counter of threads do not work
()

- contextual menu of account is still the same as the menu of folders.

- Can't find "test filter" in contextual menu of a message.

- right click on a toolbar, the last menu entry is "Customise" instead
"Customize". This apply on all toolbars
()

- "Preferences" of the contextual menu must have "..." at the end
()
 
- toolbar background colour doesn't match the window colour
()

- paddings beetween window areas are still inconsistent
()

- It is not possible to hide toolbars - after restart toolbars are
visible again.

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Re: 3.0.9.3 Pre-Beta is now available

[Boris Anders]

Hello Cees,

Cees wrote (in ):

> how about : View -> Message Header. It's now on/off but no mmeans of
> changing the options, that is I for one can't find them.

Works here like ever. Didn't understand where's the problem for you. (Of
course, you see the change only when you have selected a message.)

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Re: List of still existing and reported bugs (Was: 3.0.9.3 Pre-Beta is now available)

[Cees]

Het was op woensdag 2 maart 2005 om 20:47 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'List 
of still existing and reported bugs (Was: 3.0.9.3 Pre-Beta is now available)' :

Hallo Boris,
  
BA> Have I forgoten some?

 accounttree  still  regularly ends up with a scrollbar for no reason at all!
 Quite annoying I find that.

 And  alt+j  to  (re)outline  text doesn't work flawless. It works one or two
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Re[2]: 3.0.9.3 Pre-Beta is now available

[Cees]

Het was op woensdag 2 maart 2005 om 20:51 uur dat jij iets schreef over 
'3.0.9.3 Pre-Beta is now available' :

Hallo Boris,

>> how about : View -> Message Header. It's now on/off but no mmeans of
>> changing the options, that is I for one can't find them.

BA> Works here like ever. Didn't understand where's the problem for you. (Of
BA> course, you see the change only when you have selected a message.)

  you  don't  understand: in the past I selected a couple of headers I wanted
  to  see, now, for testing purposes only I would like to uncheck oner or two
  and select another one or two, but that option has vanished.

  I  can  now only choose to either SEE headers or DON't see them. NOT change
  them!

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Bug with the message editor

[Boris Anders]

Hello Stefan,

Stefan Tanurkov wrote (in ):

> Fixes are made for:
> Editor menus and shortcuts (not all yet :-)

- if you use MicroEd Format > table is still emtpy (I guess table should
be hidden for MicroEd?)

Bug 1: Start TheBat!
create a new message
switch from MicroEd to Plain text (windows)
switch form Plain Text (windows) to HTML/plain
Bug - it stays with the Plain Text (windows) (This only works, if you
don't change the message text during switching)


Bug 2: Start TheBat!
create a new message - close message editor
reply - close the message editor
create a new message - close message editor
reply - close the message editor
create a new message - close message editor
reply
Bug - all toolbars of message editor are disappeared.

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Re: 3.0.9.3 Pre-Beta is now available

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello Cees,

On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 you wrote in 

C> I  can  now only choose to either SEE headers or DON't see them. NOT change
C>   them!

Hope I'm not misunderstanding what you want. Right click anywhere in the
message pane, select Header and off you go (whether the header itself is
showing or not).

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Re: 3.0.9.3 Pre-Beta is now available

[Boris Anders]

Hello Cees,

Cees wrote (in ):

>>> how about : View -> Message Header. It's now on/off but no mmeans of
>>> changing the options, that is I for one can't find them.

>> Works here like ever. Didn't understand where's the problem for you. (Of
>> course, you see the change only when you have selected a message.)

> you don't understand:

sorry.

> I can now only choose to either SEE headers or DON't see them. NOT
> change them!

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Re[2]: 3.0.9.3 Pre-Beta is now available

[Cees]

Het was op woensdag 2 maart 2005 om 21:09 uur dat jij iets schreef over 
'3.0.9.3 Pre-Beta is now available' :

Hallo Richard,
  
C>> I  can  now only choose to either SEE headers or DON't see them. NOT change
C>>   them!

RW> Hope I'm not misunderstanding what you want. Right click anywhere in the
RW> message pane, select Header and off you go (whether the header itself is
RW> showing or not).

 YESS  well,  that  is  to  say,  not  in  the message pane (if I
 understand  YOU  correctly that is) but right clicking in the headers that I
 do see does the trick.

 What  I  got  is:  account  tree  to  the left, then message headers on top,
 message at the bottom and headers in the middle. Right clicking there works!

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Re: Bug with the message editor

[Frank Lahrmann]

Hello tbbeta,

just now (on 03/02/2005 at 21:08) Boris Anders [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]in 
 wrote:

> Bug 2: Start TheBat!
> create a new message - close message editor
> reply - close the message editor
> create a new message - close message editor
> reply - close the message editor
> create a new message - close message editor
> reply
> Bug - all toolbars of message editor are disappeared.

> Any confirmations?

Confirmed,

just hit the reply-button - close the message editor

do it four times and the toolbars and menu will disapear


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Re: 3.0.9.3 Pre-Beta is now available

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Hello Stefan,

  A reminder of what Stefan Tanurkov on TBBETA typed on:
  02 March 2005 at 20:08:28 GMT +0100

ST>   Fixes are made for:
ST> Account Tree columns and shortcuts

Justification at last, Left justification that is, thank you very much
indeed, it now looks nice again.

Any chance of sorting the tool bar toggle next please, Pretty Please :)

 


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Re: 3.0.9.3 Pre-Beta is now available

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Hello Stefan,

  A reminder of what Stefan Tanurkov on TBBETA typed on:
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ST>   Fixes are made for:

 Also thanks for changing Account-Edit back to Account-Properties... Funny
 the little things you get used to over the years that you don't notice
 until someone changes them :)


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Re: 3.0.9.3 Pre-Beta is now available

[Tony Boom]

Hello Richard,

  A reminder of what Richard Wakeford on TBBETA typed on:
  02 March 2005 at 21:09:27 GMT +0100

RW> Hope I'm not misunderstanding what you want. Right click anywhere in the
RW> message pane, select Header and off you go (whether the header itself is
RW> showing or not).

 You can also do this by actually clicking in the header pane. The
 View-Headers that Cees was talking about turns the actual header pane on
 or off, it doesn't allow you to choose what ones to view in the pane.


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Re[2]: Bug with the message editor

[Cees]

Het was op woensdag 2 maart 2005 om 21:24 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'Bug 
with the message editor' :

Hallo Frank,

>> Bug 2: Start TheBat!
>> create a new message - close message editor
>> reply - close the message editor
>> create a new message - close message editor
>> reply - close the message editor
>> create a new message - close message editor
>> reply
>> Bug - all toolbars of message editor are disappeared.

>> Any confirmations?

FL> Confirmed,
FL> just hit the reply-button - close the message editor
FL> do it four times and the toolbars and menu will disapear

 confirmed; that confused me too. Closing and restarting TheBat! solves is.
 Very odd behaviour.

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Re[2]: 3.0.9.3 Pre-Beta is now available

[Cees]

Het was op woensdag 2 maart 2005 om 21:26 uur dat jij iets schreef over 
'3.0.9.3 Pre-Beta is now available' :

Hallo Tony,
  
ST>>   Fixes are made for:

TB>  Also thanks for changing Account-Edit back to Account-Properties... Funny
TB>  the little things you get used to over the years that you don't notice
TB>  until someone changes them :)

 I never noticed that, I was used to ctrl+shift+p ;)

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Re: Bug with the message editor

[Tony Boom]

Hello Boris,

  A reminder of what Boris Anders on TBBETA typed on:
  02 March 2005 at 21:05:12 GMT +0100

BA> Bug 2: Start TheBat!
BA> create a new message - close message editor
BA> reply - close the message editor
BA> create a new message - close message editor
BA> reply - close the message editor
BA> create a new message - close message editor
BA> reply
BA> Bug - all toolbars of message editor are disappeared.

BA> Any confirmations?

 Forgive my ignorance but how the hell do you find something like that out?

 Here's a fix for it...

 Start The Bat!
 Create new message.
 Write message.
 Send message.

 At least that's the the way I do it!

 Who in their right mind would open and close the message editor half a
 dozen times just to see how many times it takes to make the toolbars
 disappear? Try to get out more :)


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TheBat! creates files on c:\

[Boris Anders]

Hello Stefan,

Stefan Tanurkov wrote (in ):

In addtion to the a.htm we now got 11TextMsgEdit.rft and
11TextMsgEdit.html

Shouldn't be that hard to stop this behavior?


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Re: Bug with the message editor

[Tony Boom]

Hello Frank,

  A reminder of what Frank Lahrmann on TBBETA typed on:
  02 March 2005 at 21:23:57 GMT +0100

FL> do it four times and the toolbars and menu will disapear

 Do it a 5th time and they all come back again... Shhh, it's a kind of
 magic.

 Also, if you do it 5,974 times in quick succession it wears the lettering
 off the F4 key.


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Re: Bug with the message editor

[Boris Anders]

Hello Tony,

Tony Boom wrote (in ):

>  Forgive my ignorance but how the hell do you find something like that out?

I simply played around ...

>  At least that's the the way I do it!

Now, I'm realy surprised ...

> Who in their right mind would open and close the message editor half a
> dozen times just to see how many times it takes to make the toolbars
> disappear?

It musn't be a half dozen times - it sometimes appears after the second
time. But if you don't like this bug, whats with Bug1?



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Re[2]: Bug with the message editor

[Cees]

Het was op woensdag 2 maart 2005 om 21:41 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'Bug 
with the message editor' :

Hallo Tony,
  
FL>> do it four times and the toolbars and menu will disapear

TB>  Do it a 5th time and they all come back again... Shhh, it's a kind of
TB>  magic.

TB>  Also, if you do it 5,974 times in quick succession it wears the lettering
TB>  off the F4 key.

 whahahahaa.. you just made my day! :-


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Re: Bug with the message editor

[Tony Boom]

Hello Cees,

  A reminder of what Cees on TBBETA typed on:
  02 March 2005 at 21:31:34 GMT +0100

C>  Very odd behaviour.

 Oh yes, very, very odd behaviour indeed!


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Re: Bug with the message editor

[Boris Anders]

Hello Tony,

Tony Boom wrote (in ):

>> do it four times and the toolbars and menu will disapear

> Do it a 5th time and they all come back again... Shhh, it's a kind of
> magic.

Can't confirm - if they once disappear they're lost until a restart of
TheBat! And - I reached it this time, only by "create new message"
"reply" "create new message".

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Backing up bayesit

[Chris]

Hello All,

Can someone tell me how to backup bayes it database and all files
needed for its proper running.  This would be incase I restore from a
disk image but want me bayesit info to remain current.  Thanks in
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Re: List of still existing and reported bugs (Was: 3.0.9.3 Pre-Beta is now available)

[JakeLM]

 [ Wednesday, March 2, 2005 at 21.39.06 (GMT +0100)]

Boris,
On Wed, 2 Mar 2005, at 20:47:42 [GMT+0100] (which was 02/03/2005, at
20.47 where I live ) you wrote:

> Have I forgoten some?

I cant still send mail PGP/MIME signed,
quoting wath Bobi Jam said about this problem:

> In message editor, menu "Privacy->Enable S/MIME" does not work, and send
> with "Sign when completed" ticked will always request S/MIME, just ignoring 
> that
> I didn't request send S/MIME.


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Re: List of still existing and reported bugs (Was: 3.0.9.3 Pre-Beta is now available)

[Boris Anders]

Hello Peter,

Peter Ouwehand wrote (in ):

>> - contextual menu of account is still the same as the menu of
>> folders.

> For both of them: Synchronisation | 

Confirmed.

> - 3.0.9.2 Pre-Beta attachments [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Confirmed.

> - Using Plain text/MicroEd: With a single line of text, after using
> Centered, Align Left won't function;

Confirmed.

> Shift-Ctrl-F is broken ...
Shift-Ctrl-F opens here the "replace text" window.

> - While working in the Edit Mail Message window, Shift-Ctrl-L toggles
> the Status bar on/off, no good.

Confirmed - but even with TheBat! 3.0.1 RC6 :-)


Thanks a lot for completing the list - this makes it easy for next
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Re: Bug with the message editor

[Tony Boom]

Hello Boris,

  A reminder of what Boris Anders on TBBETA typed on:
  02 March 2005 at 21:46:13 GMT +0100

BA> . But if you don't like this bug, whats with Bug1?

 Again, why keep changing back and forth between editors, pick your editor,
 write your message, send it, end of story.

 Here's another bug I found.

 Open The Bat, leave it running for 30 minutes, close The Bat.
 Open Outlook Express, leave it running for 30 minutes, close it.
 Open The Bat and you should find quite a few messages missing.

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Re: Bug with the message editor

[Tony Boom]

Hello Cees,

  A reminder of what Cees on TBBETA typed on:
  02 March 2005 at 21:47:04 GMT +0100

C>  whahahahaa.. you just made my day! :-

 You made me giggle a bit as well!


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Re: Bug with the message editor

[Boris Anders]

Hello Tony,

Tony Boom wrote (in ):

> Again, why keep changing back and forth between editors,

I disagree here totaly. TheBat! shouldn't care whether user behavior
is logical or not, but just do what user wants. And if user wants to
reopen 1 000 000 times the editor, TheBat! should to it.  where's
the problem?

> pick your editor, write your message, send it, end of story.

Are you sure, that this bug don't appear if you have wrote 4 new
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Re: Bug with the message editor

[Tony Boom]

Hello Boris,

  A reminder of what Boris Anders on TBBETA typed on:
  02 March 2005 at 21:48:46 GMT +0100

BA> Can't confirm - if they once disappear they're lost until a restart of
BA> TheBat! And - I reached it this time, only by "create new message"
BA> "reply" "create new message".

 I wasn't actually asking for confirmation however, they did disappear
 after the fourth and reappeared the 5th, I didn't have to close TB! down
 to get them back.

 I agree it shouldn't happen but, the fact some people just open and then
 close things X amount of times just to see what happens is beyond me.

 Your supposed to be alpha/beta testing it under normal working conditions,
 I can't even begin to imagine what your normal working conditions are :)


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Re: List of still existing and reported bugs

[Jernej Simoncic]

On Wednesday, March 2, 2005, 20:47:42, Boris Anders wrote:

> - toolbar background colour doesn't match the window colour

That's intentional - the toolbars mimic OfficeXP style. Maybe an option to
use the Office2000 style would be appropriate.

> - It is not possible to hide toolbars - after restart toolbars are
> visible again.

- sorting order
- toolbar images look ugly with certain color schemes

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Re: Backup Observation and Questions

[Avi Yashar]

On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 11:12:57 -0500, David Calvarese wrote:

> I'm doing something simiar with Thunderbird.  I use PowerArchiver with a
> backup script to backup the Thunderbird directories (Program and data)
> to a USB drive then use a batch file with the powerarchiver commandline
> to delete the old data off the computer and unparck what I had just
> backed up from another computer.  Works quite well.  I can point you to
> where to get the software and send you the backup script and restore
> batch file if you want.

Thanks, David, but I currently use TB, not Thunderbird. I like the
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basic - still suit me better. Anyway, I am already on the road, and so
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languages

[Cees]

Het is woensdag 2 maart 2005 en 22:34:11 uur :

Hallo tbbeta,

  who's responsible for converting the language modules?
  A  friend of mine, very sweet girl ;) is quite upset that I didn't told her
  that the latest Bat is in English and she REALLY wants it in Dutch. :-=)

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Re: 3.0.9.3 Pre-Beta is now available

[Allie Martin]

On Wednesday, March 02, 2005 at 2:10:18 PM [GMT -0500],
Stefan Tanurkov wrote:

>   Fixes are made for:
> IMAP

So far so interestingly good.

No interrupted connections, forcing a restart yet, and I
managed to browse all new mail in the thread that followed
your announcement.

Let's keep the fingers crossed. If this works, then TB! may
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Re: Backup Observation and Questions

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Avi Yashar wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 11:12:57 -0500, David Calvarese wrote:
> 
>> I'm doing something simiar with Thunderbird.  I use PowerArchiver with a
>> backup script to backup the Thunderbird directories (Program and data)
>> to a USB drive then use a batch file with the powerarchiver commandline
>> to delete the old data off the computer and unparck what I had just
>> backed up from another computer.  Works quite well.  I can point you to
>> where to get the software and send you the backup script and restore
>> batch file if you want.
> 
> Thanks, David, but I currently use TB, not Thunderbird. I like the
> spirit of Thunderbird but the features of TB - many of them quite
> basic - still suit me better. Anyway, I am already on the road, and so
> I believe I have an adequate backup to use when installing on my new
> notebook.
> 

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Re: Bug with the message editor

[Boris Anders]

Hello Tony,

Tony Boom wrote (in ):

>> Can't confirm - if they once disappear they're lost until a restart of
>> TheBat! And - I reached it this time, only by "create new message"
>> "reply" "create new message".

> I wasn't actually asking for confirmation however,

Please excuse me.

> I didn't have to close TB! down to get them back.

lucky you.

> I agree it shouldn't happen but,

So I don't see the problem.

> the fact some people just open and then close things X amount of times
> just to see what happens is beyond me.

Maybe a hint: Maybe some people didn't open and then close things n
amoutns of times just to see what happens but for another reason.

> Your supposed to be alpha/beta testing it under normal working
> conditions,

Must read over it. Can you show me the part again please? If not, please
don't tell me what I have to do, or not. Especially how I have to test
TheBat!

> I can't even begin to imagine what your normal working conditions are

You can be sure, that this is not your problem.


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become really angry about such mails ...



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Re: List of still existing and reported bugs

[Boris Anders]

Hello Jernej,

Jernej Simoncic wrote (in ):

>> - toolbar background colour doesn't match the window colour

> That's intentional - the toolbars mimic OfficeXP style. Maybe an
> option to use the Office2000 style would be appropriate.

Oh, you're right. Didn't know that. (Nevertheless I dislike it and agree
with you about the office2000 style option - if it's not too much work.)

>> - It is not possible to hide toolbars - after restart toolbars are
>> visible again.

> - sorting order
What do you mean by this?

> - toolbar images look ugly with certain color schemes
But you can (will) use other images - so not a bug of Thebat! - if I
understand you correct?

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Re: Pre-beta Ticker oddity

[Stefan Tanurkov]

Hi Marck,

MDP> When I open the mail ticker with more than one mail in the list, it
MDP> seems to me that the first Message list entry is scrolled off at the
MDP> top - even when there aren't enough messages to warrant a scroll.

Not anymore :-)

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Re: Bug with the message editor

[Tony Boom]

Hello Boris,

  A reminder of what Boris Anders on TBBETA typed on:
  02 March 2005 at 22:08:09 GMT +0100

BA> Are you sure, that this bug don't appear if you have wrote 4 new
BA> messages and 4 replys?

 I've no doubt it would if I were to confuse it as much as you seem to.

 I'm not questioning the fact of weather TB! should do it or not, I agree
 with you that it shouldn't. I just find your behaviour as strange as the
 behaviour of the bug itself.

 Right click spell check isn't working by the way... Oh yes, and I er, have no
 toolbar while writing this so sending it is going to be in a round about
 sort of way... ALT+L is buggered too.


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Re: 3.0.9.3 Pre-Beta is now available

[Tony Boom]

Hello Allie,

  A reminder of what Allie Martin on TBBETA typed on:
  02 March 2005 at 22:37:41 GMT +0100

AM> Let's keep the fingers crossed. If this works, then TB! may
AM> very well work a lot better at work.

 Keep me posted, I'm all excited now :)


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Re: languages

[NetVicious]

miércoles, 2 mar 2005 at 22:35, it seems you wrote:

>   who's responsible for converting the language modules?
>   A  friend of mine, very sweet girl ;) is quite upset that I didn't told her
>   that the latest Bat is in English and she REALLY wants it in Dutch. :-=)

There  are  a  lot of translators. With this new version all the menus
have  changed  his  place  on  he  file  we  translate,  so we need to
translate it another time or copy&paste from the old strings.

Now  we  have  another  problem. The compiler we use don't allow us to
translate the menus due to a bug. We need a new compiler.

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Re: Pre-beta Ticker oddity

[Jan Rifkinson]

On Wednesday, March 02, 2005 it appears that Stefan Tanurkov
wrote the following in regards to "Pre-beta Ticker oddity":

MDP>> When I open the mail ticker with more than one mail in the list, it
MDP>> seems to me that the first Message list entry is scrolled off at the
MDP>> top - even when there aren't enough messages to warrant a scroll.

Hi Stefan. Can you tell me what the combination is in the pre-beta to
call QT's.  Thank  you.

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Re: [SPAM ******] Re: Backup Observation and Questions

[NetVicious]

miércoles, 2 mar 2005 at 10:05, it seems you wrote:

>  Make a directory in your TB! folder and copy the text below to notepad and
>  save it into that folder as register.bat.

>  Then run it and it will save all your registry entries as a .reg file into
>  that directory.

Good .bat. Here you have it more polished ;-)

If it closes without any message all went ok. If some went bad the DOS
window will remain open and you will see the error.

PD: Change extension of the file to .bat

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Re: Bug with the message editor

[Tony Boom]

Hello Boris,

  A reminder of what Boris Anders on TBBETA typed on:
  02 March 2005 at 22:44:59 GMT +0100

BA> Hope a mod can donate this thread a "dead horse" - don't know when I
BA> become really angry about such mails ...

 Angry? Why angry? Thought this was a discussion list. I'm not angry,
 amused yes but not angry.

 I'm amused at your methods of discovering bugs that's all, nothing to get
 angry about.


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Re: List of still existing and reported bugs (Was: 3.0.9.3 Pre-Beta is now available)

[Stefan Tanurkov]

Good [morning|afternoon|day|evening|night]  Boris,


BA> - counter of threads do not work
BA> ()

noted

BA> - contextual menu of account is still the same as the menu of folders.

noted

BA> - Can't find "test filter" in contextual menu of a message.

noted

BA> - right click on a toolbar, the last menu entry is "Customise" instead
BA> "Customize". This apply on all toolbars
BA> ()

We use British English, so this one is by design


BA> - "Preferences" of the contextual menu must have "..." at the end
BA> ()

noted

BA> - toolbar background colour doesn't match the window colour
BA> ()

This is because of XP themes, not a bug

BA> - paddings beetween window areas are still inconsistent
BA> ()

This is an old one. It will probably change to a dockable pane.

BA> - It is not possible to hide toolbars - after restart toolbars are
BA> visible again.

This is normal yet, will be fixed in the next Beta...


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Re: 3.0.9.3 Pre-Beta is now available

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello Cees,

On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 you wrote in 

C> What  I  got  is:  account  tree  to  the left, then message headers on top,
C>  message at the bottom and headers in the middle. Right clicking there works!

I have exactly the same set up and right clicking in the message as well
as the header works but then I'm probably trying to do something
slightly different to you. However you've got it working and that's the
important thing ;-)

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Re: 3.0.9.3 Pre-Beta is now available

[Allie Martin]

On Wednesday, March 02, 2005 at 4:37:19 PM [GMT -0500],
Allie_M wrote:

> Let's keep the fingers crossed. If this works, then TB! may
> very well work a lot better at work.

Wrong message body being displayed for selected message is
still very much a problem here. :( Ah well.

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Re: Pre-beta Ticker oddity

[Frank Lahrmann]

Good evening  tbbeta,

just now (on 03/02/2005 at 23:04) Jan Rifkinson [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]in 
 wrote:

> On Wednesday, March 02, 2005 it appears that Stefan Tanurkov
> wrote the following in regards to "Pre-beta Ticker oddity":

MDP>>> When I open the mail ticker with more than one mail in the list, it
MDP>>> seems to me that the first Message list entry is scrolled off at the
MDP>>> top - even when there aren't enough messages to warrant a scroll.

> Hi Stefan. Can you tell me what the combination is in the pre-beta to
> call QT's.  Thank  you.

,- [ calling QT's ]
| Just try:
| 
| Menue "Utilities - Insert - Insert Quick Template"
| 
| or
| 
| type the QT-Name and then CTRL+SPACE
`-

BTW it only works if the Menue & Toolbar is visible


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Re: [SPAM ******] Re: Backup Observation and Questions

[Tony Boom]

Hello NetVicious,

  A reminder of what NetVicious on TBBETA typed on:
  02 March 2005 at 23:09:20 GMT +0100

N> Good .bat. Here you have it more polished ;-)

N> If it closes without any message all went ok. If some went bad the DOS
N> window will remain open and you will see the error.

N> PD: Change extension of the file to .bat

 Thank you very much but the batch file I sent was just a small part of what
 I normally use. It was just meant to let him back up his registry entries
 so that he could move to a different PC.

 The actual batch file I use backs up my registry and then rar's it all up
 with Winrar and puts it onto an XD flash card along with MDaemon and all
 it's settings.

 By the way, your message got flagged as SPAM for some reason and it wasn't
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Re: List of still existing and reported bugs

[Jernej Simoncic]

On Wednesday, March 2, 2005, 22:57:17, Boris Anders wrote:

>> - sorting order
> What do you mean by this?

Sorting order of messages is reversed from what it used to be in the headers
pane.

>> - toolbar images look ugly with certain color schemes
> But you can (will) use other images - so not a bug of Thebat! - if I
> understand you correct?

I want to keep the default images, which looked fine before. Ever since the
toolbars update, they don't though. As far as I know TBX (the toolbar
component), there's just 1 setting that needs to be toggled to get the
images to display properly (to see what I mean, check out the image attached
to this message: ).

While writing this message, another weird thing happened: the toolbar and
menu disappeared, and hotkeys (at least Ctrl+Enter) stopped working. I had
to press Esc, choose Yes (Save the message), then reopen it before I got the
toolbars and menu back.

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Re: List of still existing and reported bugs (Was: 3.0.9.3 Pre-Beta is now available)

[Boris Anders]

Hello Peter,

Peter Ouwehand wrote (in ):

>>> Shift-Ctrl-F is broken ...
>> Shift-Ctrl-F opens here the "replace text" window.

> It does. But, IIRC, in 3.02.10, and earlier, it used to toggle some
> MicroEd function.

You're completely right - it toggle's the auto-formate. Didn't know this
one :-).

=> Can confirm, Shift+Ctrl+F is broken.

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Re: 3.0.9.3 Pre-Beta is now available

[Boris Anders]

Hello Richard,

Richard Wakeford wrote (in ):

> Hope I'm not misunderstanding what you want.

One picture says more than thousand words - look at the picture :-).


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Re: 3.0.9.3 Pre-Beta is now available

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello Boris,

On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 you wrote in 

BA> One picture says more than thousand words - look at the picture :-)

"Ah" he said slowly. Got it now.

But, as I said, you can still right click in the header or message pane
to bring up the choice but I know that's not the point, the choice
should be in the menu item as Cees asked.

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Re[3]: 3.0.9.3 Pre-Beta is now available

[Matt Thoene]

On Wednesday, March 2, 2005 @ 11:57:29 AM [-0700], Cees wrote:

>  you  don't  understand: in the past I selected a couple of headers I wanted
>   to  see, now, for testing purposes only I would like to uncheck oner or two
>   and select another one or two, but that option has vanished.

>   I  can  now only choose to either SEE headers or DON't see them. NOT change
>   them!

Right click in the preview pane header, go to Headers, check/uncheck
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Re[4]: 3.0.9.3 Pre-Beta is now available

[Matt Thoene]

On Wednesday, March 2, 2005 @ 3:09:20 PM [-0700], Matt Thoene wrote:

>>  you  don't  understand: in the past I selected a couple of headers I wanted
>>   to  see, now, for testing purposes only I would like to uncheck oner or two
>>   and select another one or two, but that option has vanished.

>>   I  can  now only choose to either SEE headers or DON't see them. NOT change
>>   them!

> Right click in the preview pane header, go to Headers, check/uncheck
> what you want/do not want.

ARGH! IGNORE! Sorry for the poor etiquette...I failed to read farther
into the thread where this was addressed, discussed, answered, etc.
Sorry

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Re: Pre-beta Ticker oddity

[Jan Rifkinson]

On Wednesday, March 02, 2005 it appears that Frank Lahrmann
wrote the following in regards to "Pre-beta Ticker oddity":

FL> ,- [ calling QT's ]
FL> | Just try:
FL> | 
FL> | Menue "Utilities - Insert - Insert Quick Template"
FL> | 
FL> | or
FL> | 
FL> | type the QT-Name and then CTRL+SPACE
FL> `-

Hi Frank. Thanks for responding to my post. Menu works, of course, but
CTRL+SPACE has not worked on any of the pre-betas. Does this key combo
work on your machine. If so, what could possibly be wrong here, I
wonder. TIA

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