Re: The Bat! 4.0
On Tuesday, December 11, 2007, 12:01:52 PM, Henk M. de Bruijn wrote: >> AFAIK version 4.0 will be able to download images to HTML messages. > Will this be a Christmas version? lets hope not, unless this list is now out of the loop and all the beta testing goes on and has been transpiring somewhere else. -- Dwight A. Corrin 1201 W River Blvd Apt B108 Wichita KS 67203 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using IMAP with The Bat! 3.99.27.2 on Windows XP version 5,1 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.0
Hello MikeD, Tuesday, December 11, 2007, 5:39:52 PM, you wrote: M2> Well ... I have no idea what the sender =intended= it look like M2> I can only say that I (normally) don't see anything that looks M2> "wrong". Occasionally there will be a problem with the net and M2> something won't come down, but that would be a problem no matter what M2> you were using to display Or, I wasn't accurate enough describing the case, or you misunderstood me. I'm talking about an html message with inline graphics, not a message with links to graphics on a remote server. If you "click on the 'html icon' on the left side attachment list" in such a case, besides the text, you get nothing but little "red crosses". If you receive a message in which "inline" and "remote" graphics (or text) are combined, you won't be able to see the "total" correct message in TB!. It's not often that one receives such a message, but it happens, and those can be "genuine" (I mean written/sent without "evil" intentions) messages. Some people seem to specialise in such a "style"... -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 3.99.29 MyMacros 1.11a zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows 2000 Professional/5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 (1 days 12:15:43) on Uno AMD Duron Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.0
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007, at 19:01:52 [GMT +0100] (which was 19:01 where I live) Henk M. de Bruijn wrote: > Will this be a Christmas version? I meant Christmas edition... -- Henk ;-) _ The Bat! E-Mail System version 3.99.29 Pro on Windows XP SP2 AntispamSniper for the Bat! 2.7.1.5 Thawte notary, CAcert assurer, GSWoT introducer Gossamer Spider Web of Trust http://www.gswot.org pgpHhPAGMM4uU.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.0
Marek, On 11-12-2007 19:38, you wrote in : > 3 RSS plugins exists already, even they are not perfect and there are > some limitations in Bat. Really? Do you have a link? What are the limitations (assuming that these are not described at the links you will hopefully send)? -- Best regards Peter Fjelsten 3.99.3 Pro MyGate, AVG 2 POP3, 14 IMAP (Courier) & 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 200K+ msgs. Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.0
Hello all, Tuesday, December 11, 2007, Peter Fjelsten wrote: > On 11-12-2007 13:23, you wrote in > : >> RSS as a plug in for TheBat would be most helpful. > Yes. Very. 3 RSS plugins exists already, even they are not perfect and there are some limitations in Bat. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.99.29 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, NOD32 Antivirus plugin and AntispamSniper v 2.7.1.5 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 1 GB RAM Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.0
Ethan, On 11-12-2007 13:23, you wrote in : > RSS as a plug in for TheBat would be most helpful. Yes. Very. -- Best regards Peter Fjelsten 3.99.3 Pro MyGate, AVG 2 POP3, 14 IMAP (Courier) & 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 200K+ msgs. Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.0
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007, at 14:11:12 [GMT +0100] (which was 14:11 where I live) Marek Mikus wrote: Hello Marek, ...<*snipped*> > AFAIK version 4.0 will be able to download images to HTML messages. Will this be a Christmas version? -- Henk ;-) _ The Bat! E-Mail System version 3.99.29 Pro on Windows XP SP2 AntispamSniper for the Bat! 2.7.1.5 Thawte notary, CAcert assurer, GSWoT introducer Gossamer Spider Web of Trust http://www.gswot.org pgph0eIVORbZk.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
Hello Mark, Tuesday, December 11, 2007, 8:14:06 AM, you wrote: MP> Hello MikeD, MP> Tuesday, December 11, 2007, 1:33:58 PM, you wrote: M2>> OK ... All I do is click on the 'html icon' on the left side M2>> attachment list and ... glorisoki, my HTML content is rendered by M2>> Firefox. No muss no fuss. What am I missing in this discussion? MP> Now, do that with an html-message in which the graphics are sent along with MP> the message. MP> Does it look as intended by the sender? Well ... I have no idea what the sender =intended= it look like I can only say that I (normally) don't see anything that looks "wrong". Occasionally there will be a problem with the net and something won't come down, but that would be a problem no matter what you were using to display MP> What if, f.i., you wanted to make a pdf of such a message? Never came up ... but I would have the same problem if I wanted to save any 'web page' as a pdf. I suppose I would just open up Open Office, paste the doc in there and save it And I should point out that saving in PDF format is not typically something one thinks of as an integral part of an HTML editor ... at least it isn't a feature that I worry about. If I am working with HTML, I want a web page out of it not a PDF. I would use a publisher type package for that. Maybe I am just too much of a dinosaur from decades of using Unix and Linux I like software to be really good at one thing and not bloated up, slowed down and obscured with a ton of features that more properly belongs in some other program. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.99.29 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.0
Hello Jens, On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:49:46 +0100 GMT (11/12/2007, 16:49 +0700 GMT), Jens Franik wrote: >> Agreed. The suggestion is to allow this permission. It is not possible >> now. JF> Maybe it would be a idea to make detailed Permission, for Example from JF> the (E-Mail)Senders Domain only... JF> Or a List, which concats Sender-E-Mails with allowed Link-Domains. Yes, a "white-list" option for downloading pictures is somewhere in the wish list. -- Cheers, Thomas. I got into the gene pool while the lifeguard wasn't watching. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.99.3 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.0
Hello MikeD, On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 07:34:13 -0500 GMT (11/12/2007, 19:34 +0700 GMT), MikeD (2) wrote: M2> I would rather that TB =not= get bogged down with all the bloat (and M2> the cost in terms of development hours) needed to implement a fully M2> functional HTML editor ... especially when there are plenty of them M2> available already. OK, a plugin to a good HTML editor would work for me too. M2> When I have to include HTML, I use the HTML editor I already own, M2> have installed and already **know how to use efficiently** to M2> develop the content, then cut & paste that into TB. No, I wouldn't want this. I just need to create standard HTML replies. M2> OK ... I have stated my case and will stop now That's OK... I have also stated my case, and it is up to the developers to decide whether they want to move with the times or stay in the last century. -- Cheers, Thomas. Nordamerika besteht aus lauter kleinen und grossen Inseln, von denen jedoch die wenigsten von Wasser umflossen sind. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.99.3 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.0
Guten Tag MikeD (2), am Dienstag, 11. Dezember 2007 um 13:33 schrieben Sie: > OK ... All I do is click on the 'html icon' on the left side > attachment list and ... glorisoki, my HTML content is rendered by > Firefox. No muss no fuss. What am I missing in this discussion? That's exactly the same, i do, if i get such Mails (which i _want_ to read...). But they want it _inside_ The_Bat! - maybe even as an Internet-Explorer Plugin - whicht probably is the easiest Way, because the Control APIs are already here for Plugin-Support. Maybe i was misunderstood, i don't either need this, but if so - i'd vote for a _good_ solution. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Jens Franik mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.0
Hello MikeD, Tuesday, December 11, 2007, 1:33:58 PM, you wrote: M2> OK ... All I do is click on the 'html icon' on the left side M2> attachment list and ... glorisoki, my HTML content is rendered by M2> Firefox. No muss no fuss. What am I missing in this discussion? Now, do that with an html-message in which the graphics are sent along with the message. Does it look as intended by the sender? What if, f.i., you wanted to make a pdf of such a message? -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 3.99.29 MyMacros 1.11a zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows 2000 Professional/5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 (1 days 5:38:21) on Uno AMD Duron Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.0
Hello all, Tuesday, December 11, 2007, Gunivortus Goos wrote: >> OK ... All I do is click on the 'html icon' on the left side >> attachment list and ... glorisoki, my HTML content is rendered by >> Firefox. No muss no fuss. What am I missing in this discussion? > That's exactly what I don't want. > If TB is able to read and write in HTML mode, it should be > able to do that itself, without relaying on some browser. > If the HTML options weren't in TB and weren't developed > further, I were already away from TB. > So, if, as told, HTML will becvome much better in version 4, > I'll be very happy with it. AFAIK version 4.0 will be able to download images to HTML messages. For next version in 4.x serie, HTML templates are planned. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.99.29 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, NOD32 Antivirus plugin and AntispamSniper v 2.7.1.5 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 1 GB RAM Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.0
Hi MikeD (2), > OK ... All I do is click on the 'html icon' on the left side > attachment list and ... glorisoki, my HTML content is rendered by > Firefox. No muss no fuss. What am I missing in this discussion? That's exactly what I don't want. If TB is able to read and write in HTML mode, it should be able to do that itself, without relaying on some browser. If the HTML options weren't in TB and weren't developed further, I were already away from TB. So, if, as told, HTML will becvome much better in version 4, I'll be very happy with it. -- Regards, Gunivortus Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
Hello Thomas, Monday, December 10, 2007, 8:50:49 AM, you wrote: TF> Hello Jens, TF> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:36:39 +0100 GMT (10/12/2007, 20:36 +0700 GMT), TF> Jens Franik wrote: JF>> I'd neither have an HTML View as Default or Unchangable Setting. TF> This won't happen. HTML view will always be an option, with plaintext TF> preffered by many. JF>> Any Content, which is not included in the Mail(s) has not to be JF>> displayed until i give explicitly permission to access the JF>> Internet for this. TF> Agreed. The suggestion is to allow this permission. It is not possible TF> now. TF> Another wish (this seems to have gotten lost while the thread TF> progressed) is a real HTML editor, for those who want to use it. I TF> have situations in the office were I need to reply to HTML mail in TF> HTML, keeping the format (tables or colours), and maybe add some TF> pictures in the middle. I am ridiculed in the office because my email TF> client can't do what is standard on many others. I would rather that TB =not= get bogged down with all the bloat (and the cost in terms of development hours) needed to implement a fully functional HTML editor ... especially when there are plenty of them available already. When I have to include HTML, I use the HTML editor I already own, have installed and already **know how to use efficiently** to develop the content, then cut & paste that into TB. OK ... I have stated my case and will stop now -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.99.29 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: The Bat! 4.0
Hello Gunivortus, Monday, December 10, 2007, 9:23:40 AM, you wrote: GG> Hi Thomas, >> Come on! While I also receive newsletters I want to see *with* >> pictures, there is no need to use Incredimail! Eudora, Outlook, a >> myriad of email clients can do this. Are you pulling our legs? GG> From the beginning of its first release, IM was better in GG> HTML displaying as those you're mentioning; so I bought it GG> and use it since then for my e-zines, etc, asking from time GG> to time for adding full html display in TB. GG> I never ever used Eudora or Outlook, nor did and do I plan that. GG> So I can't agree they're better or not than IM. I don't bother. GG> I just want TB doing it all, one emailclient should be sufficient GG> if it can all I need. GG> And there's a lot others asked, that I don't need; GG> No backupfunction, (I make my images), no RSS, no IMAP, no GG> calendar, no Linuxversion (ack!). OK ... All I do is click on the 'html icon' on the left side attachment list and ... glorisoki, my HTML content is rendered by Firefox. No muss no fuss. What am I missing in this discussion? -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.99.29 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
Hello Jens, Monday, December 10, 2007, 8:36:39 AM, you wrote: > With the Rest i didn't see any important missing features :-) > Maybe RSS would be "nice to have". RSS as a plug in for TheBat would be most helpful. While stand alone RSS programs are helpful, a plug in for the Bat would really make it possible to address the use of RSS within organizations for obtaining information and news updates. Jerry -- Best regards, Ethanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.0
Guten Tag Thomas Fernandez, am Montag, 10. Dezember 2007 um 14:50 schrieben Sie: JF>> Any Content, which is not included in the Mail(s) has not to be JF>> displayed until i give explicitly permission to access the JF>> Internet for this. > Agreed. The suggestion is to allow this permission. It is not possible > now. Maybe it would be a idea to make detailed Permission, for Example from the (E-Mail)Senders Domain only... Or a List, which concats Sender-E-Mails with allowed Link-Domains. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Jens Franik mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
