Re: 9.0.0.26

2019-11-24 Thread Ira
Title: Re: 9.0.0.26


Hello MAU,

MAU> That's  why I suggested reverting to previous release until there is a
MAU> new release version.

But then I don't get to break it and right now it's very broken.

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Re: 9.0.0.27

2019-11-24 Thread Richard Newman via TBBETA
Hello Maxim,

MMvT> The Bat! 9.0.0.27 (BETA) is available at
MMvT> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb90027-64.rar

U&R
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Re: 9.0.0.26

2019-11-24 Thread MAU
Hello Ira,

> that new "feature"  seem to have dramatically reduced the
> functionality of The Bat. At least it has for me.

That's  why I suggested reverting to previous release until there is a
new release version.


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Re: 9.0.0.26

2019-11-24 Thread Ira
Title: Re: 9.0.0.26


Hello Ira,

Sunday, November 24, 2019, 11:55:56 AM, you wrote:





 This morning I discovered that it's possible using that new feature to create a userdef.xml, attached here, that will prevent The Bat from starting. That was certainly unexpected and took a while to figure out.



Actually, it's worse than I thought. Every time I try to make a custom toolbar and exit The Bat , it will not start again until I delete userdef.xml. Opening up userdef.xml seems to me to reveal that what it's saving looks nothing like what I thought I created. The format of userdef.xml is a bit unclear, but I'm reasonably sure that's a true statement.

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Re: 9.0.0.26

2019-11-24 Thread Gleason

Ira,

> Hello MAU,

> Sunday, November 24, 2019, 5:34:52 AM, you wrote:

MAU>> Hello Ira,


MAU>> Are  you  aware (and when I say aware I mean aware) that you are using
MAU>> alpha  and  or  beta  versions of TB? If you are not happy using them,
MAU>> nobody  forces you to do so. Revert to the latest release version that
MAU>> you were used to, and pleasantly wait for the next release.


> I am fully aware of that. I will point out that I've been pointing
> out functionality that's been removed and seemingly replaced with
> something that's both not as good, not as full featured and
> seemingly not near ready for alpha.

> I've been on many many betas and alphas starting in around 1985.
> I'm here to try and help make one of my most important programs
> better. I repeat myself because I got no replies and that new
> "feature"  seem to have dramatically reduced the functionality of The Bat. At 
> least it has for me.

My philosophy is that, if a problem has been reported, and Rit asks if
it is fixed now, respond.  If Rit reports it as fixed and it isn't, let
them know.  Otherwise, I give them credit for knowing about the
problem and not fixing it yet for reasons of their own.

It is true that these things sometimes drag on for a long time, which
often means that they were unable to duplicate the problem.  No sense
pestering them about that.

>  This morning I discovered that it's possible using that new
> feature to create a userdef.xml, attached here, that will prevent
> The Bat from starting. That was certainly unexpected and took a while to 
> figure out.

> -- Ira


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Re: 9.0.0.26

2019-11-24 Thread Ira
Title: Re: 9.0.0.26


Hello MAU,

Sunday, November 24, 2019, 5:34:52 AM, you wrote:

MAU> Hello Ira,


MAU> Are  you  aware (and when I say aware I mean aware) that you are using
MAU> alpha  and  or  beta  versions of TB? If you are not happy using them,
MAU> nobody  forces you to do so. Revert to the latest release version that
MAU> you were used to, and pleasantly wait for the next release.


I am fully aware of that. I will point out that I've been pointing out functionality that's been removed and seemingly replaced with something that's both not as good, not as full featured and seemingly not near ready for alpha.

I've been on many many betas and alphas starting in around 1985. I'm here to try and help make one of my most important programs better. I repeat myself because I got no replies and that new "feature"  seem to have dramatically reduced the functionality of The Bat. At least it has for me.

 This morning I discovered that it's possible using that new feature to create a userdef.xml, attached here, that will prevent The Bat from starting. That was certainly unexpected and took a while to figure out.

-- Ira

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Re: 9.0.0.27

2019-11-24 Thread Ethan J. Mings
Hello MAU,

Sunday, November 24, 2019, 1:17:30 PM, you wrote:

> Can  you try executing TB with a command line parameter when next beta
> comes out? Thanks.

I can try that.

Jerry

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Re: 9.0.0.27

2019-11-24 Thread Curt at Down in the Country
Hello Maxim,

U&R

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Sunday, November 24, 2019, 9:39:16 AM, you wrote:

> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb90027-64.rar



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Re: 9.0.0.27

2019-11-24 Thread MAU
Hello Ethan,

> The warning message came indicating this is Beta.

Can  you try executing TB with a command line parameter when next beta
comes out? Thanks.


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Re: 9.0.0.27

2019-11-24 Thread MAU
Hello Maxim,

> The Bat! 9.0.0.27 (BETA) is available at
> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb90027-64.rar

U&R

I  did  not get the beta warning on first run. This is because I again
used  /STARTUP_TIMING_LOG as command line parameter. I assume the same
would happen (no warning) with any command line parameter. I will test
with next beta.


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Re: 9.0.0.27

2019-11-24 Thread mse
Hello Jernej,

JS> On Sunday, November 24, 2019, 15:39:16, Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote:

>> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb90027-64.rar

JS> Just noticed: Preferences → Address history → Do-not-track list has
JS> tiny text in high-DPI mode.

Yes, indeed.

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Re: 9.0.0.27

2019-11-24 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Sunday, November 24, 2019, 15:39:16, Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote:

> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb90027-64.rar

Just noticed: Preferences → Address history → Do-not-track list has
tiny text in high-DPI mode.

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Re: 9.0.0.27

2019-11-24 Thread Ethan J. Mings
November 24, 2019

Hello Maxim,

Sunday, November 24, 2019, 9:39:16 AM, you wrote:

> The Bat! 9.0.0.27 (BETA) is available at
> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb90027-64.rar

Just install this beta.

The warning message came indicating this is Beta.

Up and running with no problems so far.

Thanks,

Jerry

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Re: 9.0.0.27

2019-11-24 Thread Gleason

Maxim,

> The Bat! 9.0.0.27 (BETA) is available at
> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb90027-32.rar
> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb90027-64.rar

> What's new in 9.0.0.27 since 9.0.0.26:
> [-] (#0001876) Size of message in Message pane header is black (BETA issue)
> [-] (#0001825) Editor: Menu items under Options / Message Format are 
> duplicated (BETA issue)

Running well here.

> 
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9.0.0.27

2019-11-24 Thread Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA
The Bat! 9.0.0.27 (BETA) is available at
https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb90027-32.rar
https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb90027-64.rar

What's new in 9.0.0.27 since 9.0.0.26:
[-] (#0001876) Size of message in Message pane header is black (BETA issue)
[-] (#0001825) Editor: Menu items under Options / Message Format are duplicated 
(BETA issue)




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Re: 9.0.0.26

2019-11-24 Thread MAU
Hello Maxim,

> The Bat! 9.0.0.26 (BETA) is available at
> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb90026-64.rar


No  beta  warning on first run this time. Most probably because I used
/STARTUP_TIMING_LOG in command line. 


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Re: 9.0.0.26

2019-11-24 Thread MAU
Hello Ira,

> Well, then the issues is you've removed a bunch of features or
> something as I now have buttons with no pictures that I have to try
> and remember what they are and buttons I use to use are no where to
> be found so I can't get the feature set I've gotten so use to using.
> I would not be complaining if you'd made it better, but as far as I
> can tell at this point it's a step backwards.
>
> How do I reply to a message with only highlighted text?
> How do I add a button to apply a specific Tag?
>
> I dearly miss those two features but they seem to be not findable by me any 
> more.

Are  you  aware (and when I say aware I mean aware) that you are using
alpha  and  or  beta  versions of TB? If you are not happy using them,
nobody  forces you to do so. Revert to the latest release version that
you were used to, and pleasantly wait for the next release.


-- 
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Miguel A. Urech (Els Poblets (Alicante - Spain)
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Re: 9.0.0.26

2019-11-24 Thread Ira
Title: Re: 9.0.0.26


Hello Andrei,

Saturday, November 23, 2019, 11:32:00 AM, you wrote:






Ira, there is no issue , you see new customization window with 2 lists,
we replaced menu and toolbars with totally new components and soon customization window will allow to assign shortcuts and may be icons
and will remove old customization window with 3 list  due is was for old components



Well, then the issues is you've removed a bunch of features or something as I now have buttons with no pictures that I have to try and remember what they are and buttons I use to use are no where to be found so I can't get the feature set I've gotten so use to using. I would not be complaining if you'd made it better, but as far as I can tell at this point it's a step backwards.

How do I reply to a message with only highlighted text?
How do I add a button to apply a specific Tag?

I dearly miss those two features but they seem to be not findable by me any more.

-- Ira



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