Multiple "OR" conditions in a filter

[Michael L. Wilson]

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Hi,

I have setup a filter with ten words that I never want to see in an
email.  I setup a filter with OR statements between them.  This mostly
works, but when two words appear in an email, the email seems to slip
through the filter.  What is the correct way to setup a filter which
will detect 1 or more of these ten words?

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Re: Multiple "OR" conditions in a filter

[Mic Cullen]

At 22:46 [GMT-0700] on Friday October 15 (actual time - 1:46pm on Saturday in
Perth, Western Australia), you wrote:

[snips]

Michael> I have setup a filter with ten words that I never want to see in an
Michael> email.  I setup a filter with OR statements between them.  This mostly
Michael> works, but when two words appear in an email, the email seems to slip
Michael> through the filter.  What is the correct way to setup a filter which
Michael> will detect 1 or more of these ten words?

"Contains any of"?

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Re: Multiple "OR" conditions in a filter

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Michael!

On Saturday, October 16, 2004 at 7:46:43 AM you wrote:

> I have setup a filter with ten words that I never want to see in an
> email.  I setup a filter with OR statements between them.  This mostly
> works, but when two words appear in an email, the email seems to slip
> through the filter.  What is the correct way to setup a filter which
> will detect 1 or more of these ten words?

Can't answer your question but that points to widespread
misunderstanding (not by you) of "OR", which is *inclusive*. In your
case it should work on any one of the words appearing and on
combinations.

The condition you are encountering is *EITHER-OR*.

If we could agree on this between us and with RITLabs the conditionals
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Re: Multiple "OR" conditions in a filter

[Michael L. Wilson]

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Hello Mic,

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004, Mic mused about "Multiple "OR" conditions in a
filter" (at least in part):

:pacsnip2a:

MC> "Contains any of"?
:pacsnip2b:

Basically it is [OR subject contains "bad word"]

I cannot put the bad word here because the moderators do not like it.

"Either-or" "and/or" both would be good.

Also, the "contains any of" idea is good with a list of words.

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Re: Multiple "OR" conditions in a filter

[Michael L. Wilson]

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Hello Mic,

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004, Mic mused about "Multiple "OR" conditions in a
filter" (at least in part):

:pacsnip2a:


MC> "Contains any of"?
:pacsnip2b:

How do I separate the "any of" words?  comma?  space?

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Re: Multiple "OR" conditions in a filter

[9Val]

Hello Michael,  

MLW> How do I separate the "any of" words?  comma?  space?

Newline

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Re: Multiple "OR" conditions in a filter

[9Val]

Hello Michael,  

MLW> Basically it is [OR subject contains "bad word"]

OR  subject  contains "bad word" means that ORed is condition, not the
words in parameter, so filter you've decribed should trigger only when
both words are in subject.

To  achieve  functionality  you  need  you  should setup filter in the
following way:

1.
subject contains "bad"
OR subject contains "word"

2.
subject contains any of "bad
 word
 something else"


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Re: Multiple "OR" conditions in a filter

[Mark Partous]

Hello 9Val,

Saturday, October 16, 2004, 11:24:09 AM, you wrote:

MLW>> How do I separate the "any of" words?  comma?  space?

9> Newline

I have a spam-filter (most conditions date from before I started using K9 -
and even now it catches messages that K9 doesn't seem to be able to catch
(mail with a lot of words and a gif)).

Since the NFS (this may have been reported earlier) it takes a long time
before I can open this particular filter with all these conditions.

Do you think it would help gathering these conditions in only a few,
using the "contains any of"?

I copied the filter, then started to transform the copy as described before,
but it's a real pain. Each time I add a newline, it takes a long time before
the screen is rebuild and I can add the next word.


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Re: Multiple "OR" conditions in a filter

[MAU]

Hello Michael,

> Michael L. Wilson, MBA  :usflag:
> Ecclesiastic Philosopher
> Critic
> Teacher
> 
> :einsteinyoyo:
> 
> ==
> Using The Bat! 3.0.2.1  :beta:
> Windows XP 5.1 (build: 2600) Service Pack 2
> 
> Ponder this: Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events.
> Small minds discuss people.
> 
> morning   dayevening
> ==   22:44
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Wow! Getting better every time ;-)

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Re: Multiple "OR" conditions in a filter

[MAU]

Hello Michael,

> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: multipart/signed;
>  boundary="--=-=--=-===--===-=--==---==";
>  protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1
> 
> =-=--=-===--===-=--==---==
>
> Hello Mic,

Does anybody else see this at the top of Michael's message body? Can this
be an 3.0.2.1 issue?


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Re: Multiple "OR" conditions in a filter

[MAU]

Hello 9Val,

> 2.
> subject contains any of "bad
>  word
>  something else"

I didn't know that lists could be handled that way, nice! BTW, I'm not
sure if I have suggested it before or not, but I think that, for long
lists of this type (or for example addresses), it would be nice if the
name/path of a text file containing the list could be specified.

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Re: Multiple "OR" conditions in a filter

[Peter Meyns]

Hi MAU,

on Sat, 16 Oct 2004 12:58:25 +0200GMT, you wrote:

>> Mime-Version: 1.0
>> Content-Type: multipart/signed;
>>  boundary="--=-=--=-===--===-=--==---==";
>>  protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1
>> 
>> =-=--=-===--===-=--==---==
>>
>> Hello Mic,

M> Does anybody else see this at the top of Michael's message body? Can this
M> be an 3.0.2.1 issue?

I see it too, and there is an icon for decrypting that brings up a
passphrase prompt for "unknown account".

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Re: Multiple "OR" conditions in a filter

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello MAU & everyone else

16-Okt-2004 12:52, you wrote:

[ some 30 or 40 lines signature ]

> Wow! Getting better every time ;-)

I find his behaviour is really annoying.

Makes me wonder why we have a list rule "g. Sigs are fine, but don't make
them excessively long. 4-6 lines is generally about right" and none of the
moderators cares about it.

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Re: Multiple "OR" conditions in a filter

[MAU]

Hello 9Val,

I have just noted something that I am not sure if it has been reported
already or not. When sending my previous reply to you, I noticed that
icons in the message list are not updated to "replied" until I move out
of the current folder and come back to it. Has anybody else noticed
this? I'm using an alternate glyphs.bmp but I had not noticed this
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Re: Multiple "OR" conditions in a filter

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Saturday, October 16, 2004, 13:14, MAU wrote:

> I have just noted something that I am not sure if it has been
> reported already or not. When sending my previous reply to you, I
> noticed that icons in the message list are not updated to "replied"
> until I move out of the current folder and come back to it.

Judging from , I suppose
this is the same issue I am struggling with in the badly named tree
called "Test".

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Re: Multiple "OR" conditions in a filter

[MAU]

Hello Marcus,

> Judging from , I suppose
> this is the same issue I am struggling with in the badly named tree
> called "Test".

Yes, it does.

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Re[2]: Multiple "OR" conditions in a filter

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello Michael,

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 you wrote in 

MLW> How do I separate the "any of" words?  comma?  space?

Press enter and take the next word to a new line works here.

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Re[2]: Multiple "OR" conditions in a filter

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello MAU,

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 you wrote in 

M> Does anybody else see this at the top of Michael's message body? Can this
M> be an 3.0.2.1 issue?

Yes I do but not with his first message which was PGP signed and
verified ok. These other messages also don't recognise his sig delimiter
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