Re: 3.5RC2 a preview of issues to be tested
Hi Peter, PO - mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] PO Redefined: (Message Finder) Results tab, context menu in the message PO list: [Attachments | Open] [Attachments | Save] are not working. PO 3.0.9.20: PO Can't confirm this as fixed. Am I missing something? PO Note: Not mentioned before, but Save All is the only option doing PO something, here. Are you sure you have any selected attach in pane? -- 9Val Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5RC2 a preview of issues to be tested
Hi Peter, PO After selecting the Message Finder Results tab, then a message with an PO attachment, then a tab with an attachment (.jpg, .gif, part.txt) in the PO preview pane, only [Message List | RMB | Attachments | Save All] shows PO some activity, the 'Save Attachment as' dialog, multiple times if PO there's more than one attachment tab. OK, got you, I though about selecting one of attachments in attachment pane where it works. -- 9Val Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5RC2 a preview of issues to be tested
Hello Mary, Sunday, May 1, 2005, you wrote to me: MB Additionally--and I do think they are probably working on this, from MB one of 9Val's remarks--the short-cut editor needs to have more MB functionality than it presently does in RC2. I cannot agree more. It is not only about the shortcut editor but about the shortcuts themselves. According to 9Val it is not even planned yet to restore the shortcuts functionality to the dynamically created menu items. Which means that I won't have my spell checker shortcuts in the new version. The checker is weird enough not to understand several languages in the same letter, but now there is no way to switch languages back and forth fast. Looks like v3.5 will be first version which I will not upgrade to. -- Best regards, Peter Gannushkin URL: http://downtownmusic.net/ Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Separate Reference threading option [was Re: 3.5RC2 a preview of issues to be tested]
Hello MAU! On Sunday, May 01, 2005, 8:09 PM, you wrote: Thanks! I'm sure MAU as well because then he could use betas for work which IMHO would bring make one of the best MUA beta testers available by the name of MAU to RitLabs disposal. :-) Amen to that! An immediate reward to the developers in MAU's expanded service to them. I'm just one user. I paid for my TB several years ago and for an upgrade last year and RIT can't live with just that. In order to maintain development they need to sell TB everyday and there are issues that may not seem so important to us but that make TB more sellable, those should have higher priority. If RIT doesn't get money to pay the programmers, no bugs will be fixed. I know all that you say is true. However, having messages seemingly lost when thread by Subject is chosen and TB! puts them with the oldest thread--for those who keep messages that go back years in their folders, as I do--is more than just a minor inconvenience, I think. However, I know that RitLabs wants to get the word out soon about the attractive new UI and new customization features. So I expect we'll see 3.5 by the end of the week and then another beta series. It's okay with me. :) Furthermore, as you say, I'm just one user, too. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5 Return RC1 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5RC2 a preview of issues to be tested
Hello Roger! On Monday, May 02, 2005, 3:01 AM, you wrote: ... It might not be too late to persuade the developers to include them as separate threading options before the 3.5 release is done. ... MB And it should make their sense of having done the right thing a MB joy to them, in keeping faith with their customers who need this MB [separate thread by reference] option. :) Amen to everything you've said, but I've a terrible fear that once again they will ignore all advice and stick to their time-table regardless. We can only pray hard that for once they see reason. Miguel has answered me with a post describing the situation very realistically. So perhaps we can get this issue, and others, like the very un-English tooltip terminology Follow next and Follow previous instead of Move up and Move down the message list, addressed in the next beta series. There are shortcut issues also, in the Customization work-in-progress, which apparently will be addressed after the final release of v. 3.5. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5 Return RC1 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Separate Reference threading option [was Re: 3.5RC2 a preview of issues to be tested]
Hello Mary, It's okay with me. :) And with me. I have proper threading with 3.0.2.10 and my yellowish icons, why would I want to switch to 3.5? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Separate Reference threading option [was Re: 3.5RC2 a preview of issues to be tested]
Hello Miguel! On Monday, May 02, 2005, 3:48 PM, you wrote: It's okay with me. :) And with me. I have proper threading with 3.0.2.10 and my yellowish icons, why would I want to switch to 3.5? Why, indeed? When this beta-testing series is over, I might drop back to 3.0.2.10 myself, which met all my needs very well. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5 Return RC1 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5RC2 a preview of issues to be tested
Hello Peter, On Sun, 1 May 2005 19:43:51 +0200 GMT(5/1/2005, 12:43 PM -0600 GMT), per mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Peter Ouwehand wrote: Below is a list of issues (based on the last posted list and replies) to be tested with version 3.5RC2. Sorry haven't been keeping up with the list, but has threading by references / subject been fixed or option been provided? see mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] see mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I didn't see it on your list with a quick check. FWIW I think threading CORRECTLY is very important. I also think being able to thread by subject is important because IIRC some lists do NOT provide references in the email headers. Threading by subject provides a viable alternative in these situations. I also think correcting thread manually is important and don't believe it has been done correctly with new feature in TB. This is discussed in 2nd mid quoted above. Why do I think it is important. Well I use to have good threading manual correction with my old email client VA. I know you all may be sick of myself and Miguel bringing this up. To be honest in some ways VA set the standard for me, so for me in certain regards I DO measure TB against VA. I quit using VA over 3 years ago, and switched to TB because development ceased. I like it to be done RIGHT otherwise do NOT do it at all. This goes for IMAP as well. I'm not a big IMAP user, but can empathize with those who are. My $.02 worth. -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5RC2 a preview of issues to be tested
Hello Greg! On Sunday, May 01, 2005, 3:20 PM, you wrote: Sorry haven't been keeping up with the list, but has threading by references / subject been fixed or option been provided? It has not. As near as I can gather, the development team seems to be planning to restore this distinction in a beta series post-3.5 full release. I think it is a mistake not to fix that now. I think it will hurt a lot of people who are not beta testers now and will be stunned at the change. It's crucial to future TB! functionality to have this option. Additionally--and I do think they are probably working on this, from one of 9Val's remarks--the short-cut editor needs to have more functionality than it presently does in RC2. Further, the scrollbar function is inadequate. See Marck D. Pearlstone's post, mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] And, further about customization: Mary wants her yellow unread envelopes back, or a way to customize for this feature! Thanks for writing about the lacks in the list posted by Peter Ouwehand, although, like everyone, I'm very grateful to him for gathering that list together. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5 Return RC1 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5RC2 a preview of issues to be tested
Hello Mary, On Sun, 1 May 2005 16:19:20 -0500 GMT(5/1/2005, 4:19 PM -0600 GMT), per mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mary Bull wrote: Sorry haven't been keeping up with the list, but has threading by references / subject been fixed or option been provided? It has not. As near as I can gather, the development team seems to be planning to restore this distinction in a beta series post-3.5 full release. I think it is a mistake not to fix that now. I agree which is why I brought the subject up now. I think it will hurt a lot of people who are not beta testers now and will be stunned at the change. Agreed! It's crucial to future TB! functionality to have this option. Agreed! Additionally--and I do think they are probably working on this, from one of 9Val's remarks--the short-cut editor needs to have more functionality than it presently does in RC2. Good to hear. ...snip Thanks for writing about the lacks in the list posted by Peter Ouwehand, although, like everyone, I'm very grateful to him for gathering that list together. Yes Peter's list are helpful to all of us (i.e. Ritlabs beta testers). I as you appreciate Peter's list. -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5RC2 a preview of issues to be tested
Hello Greg! On Sunday, May 01, 2005, 4:28 PM, you wrote: Thanks for writing about the lacks in the list posted by Peter Ouwehand, although, like everyone, I'm very grateful to him for gathering that list together. Yes Peter's list are helpful to all of us (i.e. Ritlabs beta testers). I as you appreciate Peter's list. I knew that you did. But, just as much, I appreciate your bringing up that missing subject-reference distinction, as a threading option. Its lack does make TB!'s behavior feel buggy, even though subject and reference were lumped together deliberately in this new UI. It might not be too late to persuade the developers to include them as separate threading options before the 3.5 release is done. And I particularly wanted to support you in that, which was my main reason for replying to you. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5 Return RC1 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5RC2 a preview of issues to be tested
Hello Peter! On Sunday, May 01, 2005, 4:46 PM, you wrote: MB Thanks for writing about the lacks in the list posted by Peter MB Ouwehand, although, like everyone, I'm very grateful to him for MB gathering that list together. Some days ago Miguel posted mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I understand. I tried to say that I know that technically it's not a bug. But the resultant behavior--losing important business or personal messages well down in old threads--feels very buggy indeed. Maybe a list of issues--like some incompletely working customization features--would be a help, separately from a list of current known bugs. But it's getting late in the code-writing process for this, I know, with RC2 upcoming. We, Boris and myself, never thought that it would cover all issues. See also this sub-thread mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I know. I didn't mean to misrepresent what you are doing. Let me say again how grateful I am to both of you. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5 Return RC1 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5RC2 a preview of issues to be tested
Hello Mary, On Sun, 1 May 2005 16:40:03 -0500 GMT(5/1/2005, 4:40 PM -0600 GMT), per mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mary Bull wrote: But, just as much, I appreciate your bringing up that missing subject-reference distinction, as a threading option. Its lack does make TB!'s behavior feel buggy, Agree which is why I brought it up. even though subject and reference were lumped together deliberately in this new UI. It might not be too late to persuade the developers to include them as separate threading options before the 3.5 release is done. Hopefully! :-) And I particularly wanted to support you in that, which was my main reason for replying to you. :) Thanks! I'm sure MAU as well because then he could use betas for work which IMHO would bring make one of the best MUA beta testers available by the name of MAU to RitLabs disposal. :-) -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5RC2 a preview of issues to be tested
Hello Peter, On Sun, 1 May 2005 23:46:47 +0200 GMT(5/1/2005, 4:46 PM -0600 GMT), per mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Peter Ouwehand wrote: MB Thanks for writing about the lacks in the list posted by Peter MB Ouwehand, although, like everyone, I'm very grateful to him for MB gathering that list together. Some days ago Miguel posted mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes. However hot classifying as a bug is a matter of perspective IMHO. We, Boris and myself, never thought that it would cover all issues. See also this sub-thread mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Never expected it too, but you do one heck of a job. :-) -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5RC2 a preview of issues to be tested
Hello Greg, On Sun, 1 May 2005 17:40:29 -0500 GMT(5/1/2005, 5:40 PM -0600 GMT), per mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Greg Strong wrote: Yes. However hot classifying as a bug is a matter of perspective IMHO. ^ not -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5RC2 a preview of issues to be tested
Hello Greg! On Sunday, May 01, 2005, 5:38 PM, you wrote: ... It might not be too late to persuade the developers to include them as separate threading options before the 3.5 release is done. Hopefully! :-) And I particularly wanted to support you in that, which was my main reason for replying to you. :) Thanks! I'm sure MAU as well because then he could use betas for work which IMHO would bring make one of the best MUA beta testers available by the name of MAU to RitLabs disposal. :-) Amen to that! An immediate reward to the developers in MAU's expanded service to them. And it should make their sense of having done the right thing a joy to them, in keeping faith with their customers who need this option. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5 Return RC1 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5RC2 a preview of issues to be tested
Hello Greg, Why do I think it is important. Well I use to have good threading manual correction with my old email client VA. I know you all may be sick of myself and Miguel bringing this up. To be honest in some ways VA set the standard for me, so for me in certain regards I DO measure TB against VA. I quit using VA over 3 years ago, and switched to TB because development ceased. Good old VA :)) Overall TB is better but, for a program that was developed at least 10 years ago, I still miss a few of its capabilities like manual re-threading (which was perfect) or macro recording and toolbar customisation. Good old VA :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC1 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5RC2 a preview of issues to be tested
Hello Greg, Thanks! I'm sure MAU as well because then he could use betas for work which IMHO would bring make one of the best MUA beta testers available by the name of MAU to RitLabs disposal. :-) What would you like to drink? ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC1 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5RC2 a preview of issues to be tested
Hello Mary, Thanks! I'm sure MAU as well because then he could use betas for work which IMHO would bring make one of the best MUA beta testers available by the name of MAU to RitLabs disposal. :-) Amen to that! An immediate reward to the developers in MAU's expanded service to them. I'm just one user. I paid for my TB several years ago and for an upgrade last year and RIT can't live with just that. In order to maintain development they need to sell TB everyday and there are issues that may not seem so important to us but that make TB more sellable, those should have higher priority. If RIT doesn't get money to pay the programmers, no bugs will be fixed. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC1 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
