Re: 5.0.10 MSI - thebat_error_20110430.gif (1/1)
Hello Simon, Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 1:09:21 AM, you wrote: >> begin 644 thebat_error_20110430.gif > >> end > I see this as just the uuencoded data. However this is what I would > expect as there are no MIME headers in this mail, so any MUA should > just show it as plain text. I have tried on 3 different MUA to confirm. Me too. Thanks for the confirmation Simon. I guess this is another example of Outlook taking a tolerant view of the structure of the messages. I believe in the old days that the inline uuencoded block was an acceptable attachment. Certainly before MIME. I do see this a lot from various senders so it would be great if TB could handle this ONE DAY. I understand there are a lot more important issues for now. Gene, was this actually produced buy TB? -- Best regards, Tonymailto:t...@parkinch.co.uk The Bat! 5.0.10.1 (BETA) Current beta is 5.0.10.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.10 MSI - thebat_error_20110430.gif (1/1)
Hello Simon, On Mon, 2 May 2011 21:09:21 -0300 GMT (03/May/11, 7:09 AM +0700 GMT), Simon Martin wrote: SM> I see this as just the uuencoded data. However this is what I SM> would expect as there are no MIME headers in this mail, so any MUA SM> should just show it as plain text. I have tried on 3 different MUA to confirm. You should try TB!v4.x. I see his message and an attachment called thebat_error_20110430.gif. That attachment also creates a tab, which I can click on and see the gif. Two images attached, I hope they come through. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.44 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3<><> Current beta is 5.0.10.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.10 MSI - thebat_error_20110430.gif (1/1)
Hello Simon, > I just tested Gene's mail using Windows Live Mail and I see the > image. As Tony said, some MUA are more forgiving, from what you say, TB!4.x > is more forgiving as well. > Is this a bug or a feature though? I wouldn't want to distract the devs from the more pressing issues: Filters and virtual folders - for me at least. The Sizes Differ!! exception is most annoying and I'm sure is contributing to the above two. -- Best regards, Tonymailto:t...@parkinch.co.uk The Bat! 5.0.12 Current beta is 5.0.10.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.10 MSI - thebat_error_20110430.gif (1/1)
> Hello Simon, > On Mon, 2 May 2011 21:09:21 -0300 GMT (03/May/11, 7:09 AM +0700 GMT), > Simon Martin wrote: SM>> I see this as just the uuencoded data. However this is what I SM>> would expect as there are no MIME headers in this mail, so any MUA SM>> should just show it as plain text. I have tried on 3 different MUA to confirm. > You should try TB!v4.x. I see his message and an attachment called > thebat_error_20110430.gif. That attachment also creates a tab, which I > can click on and see the gif. > Two images attached, I hope they come through. I can see the images -- Rick Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools talk because they have to say something v5.0.12 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.10.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.10 MSI - thebat_error_20110430.gif (1/1)
Hello Tony, On Tue, 3 May 2011 18:00:58 +0100 GMT (04/May/11, 0:00 AM +0700 GMT), Tony Hoare wrote: >> I just tested Gene's mail using Windows Live Mail and I see the >> image. As Tony said, some MUA are more forgiving, from what you say, TB!4.x >> is more forgiving as well. >> Is this a bug or a feature though? TH> I wouldn't want to distract the devs from the more pressing issues: TH> Filters and virtual folders - for me at least. Sure. But if image attachments are not shown any more, I would qualify this as another show-stopper. TH> The Sizes Differ!! exception is most annoying and I'm sure is TH> contributing to the above two. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.44 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.12.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.10 MSI - thebat_error_20110430.gif (1/1)
Dear Tony, @3-May-2011, 09:36 Tony Hoare [TH] in mid:1711480403.20110503093...@parkinch.co.uk said to Simon: ... TH> I do see this a lot from various senders so it would be great if TB TH> could handle this ONE DAY. I understand there are a lot more important TH> issues for now. TH> Gene, was this actually produced buy TB? Aye - there's the rub! This message came in using Forte agent via the GMane feed for this list. A double whammy by any definition. And there is nothing in the header to indicate that any data here should be interpreted as a graphic image type. I think it's about the attachment being in News format instead of MIME email encapsulation. -- Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v5.0.12.1 on Windows 7 6.1.7601 Service Pack 1 ' pgpT3f2lKX2zS.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 5.0.12.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.10 MSI - thebat_error_20110430.gif (1/1)
Hello Simon, Sorry for top-posting, but my email client is not very good at HTML... ;-) These are a few of the headers I found in the source of the incoming message: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--1016115C1189A014" 1016115C1189A014 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [follow by the plain text part of the message, i.e. only the offter] 1016115C1189A014 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="thebat_error_20110430.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: x-uuencode [followed by gibberish, which my email client interpreted as an attached gif file] Not really a reason to "up"grade from v4 to v5 methinks, and not an improvement for the user. Thursday, May 5, 2011, 2:13:39 AM, you wrote: Hi Thomas Wednesday, May 4, 2011, 3:00:15 PM, Thomas wrote: > Hello Tony, > On Tue, 3 May 2011 18:00:58 +0100 GMT (04/May/11, 0:00 AM +0700 GMT), > Tony Hoare wrote: >>> I just tested Gene's mail using Windows Live Mail and I see the >>> image. As Tony said, some MUA are more forgiving, from what you say, TB!4.x >>> is more forgiving as well. >>> Is this a bug or a feature though? TH>> I wouldn't want to distract the devs from the more pressing issues: TH>> Filters and virtual folders - for me at least. > Sure. But if image attachments are not shown any more, I would qualify > this as another show-stopper. This is a gray area. This is a badly formed mail. There are no MIME headers. We can't blame TB! for that. Behaviour depends on the MUA of choice. These are the tests I did. Platform Program Result Windows emClient Shows uuencode data Windows TB! 5.x Shows uuencode data Windows Windows Live Mail Shows image correctly Linux Evolution Shows image badly Webmail sqwebmail Shows uuencode data Definitely not a show stopper. -- __ _ Debian GNU User Simon Martin / /(_)_ __ _ ___ __ __ Project Manager / / | | '_ \| | | \ \/ / Milliways / /__| | | | | |_| |> < mailto: smar...@milliways.cl \/_|_| |_|\__,_/_/\_\ Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.44 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.12.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.10 MSI - thebat_error_20110430.gif (1/1)
Hello Marck, On Wed, 4 May 2011 21:38:49 +0100 GMT (05/May/11, 3:38 AM +0700 GMT), Marck Pearlstone wrote: TH>> Gene, was this actually produced buy TB? MP> Aye - there's the rub! MP> This message came in using Forte agent via the GMane feed for this MP> list. A double whammy by any definition. And there is nothing in the MP> header to indicate that any data here should be interpreted as a MP> graphic image type. MP> I think it's about the attachment being in News format instead of MP> MIME email encapsulation. The attachment was in UUENCODE format, which TBv4 interprets correctly. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.44 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.12.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.10 MSI - thebat_error_20110430.gif (1/1)
On Sat, 7 May 2011 13:43:20 -0300, Simon Martin wrote: >Could someone who is NOT using Courier please save the mail, >zip it and PM it to me please. Just out of curiosity I did a little test of my own. - In Forte Agent I saved the offending message in Unix Mailbox format. The relevant parts of this message are these: Header: |MIME-Version: 1.0 |Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" |Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Body: |begin 644 thebat_error_20110430.gif |M1TE&.#EAT@'&`'<``"P`T@'&`*?Z^OKP[_#K\_-H8V=B7F%Y=7C7U]=` [Snip bulk of UUEncoded part] |+0*2[]E%P;D```#N[ |` |end | | | Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: |http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html This means the .gif file is part of the message BODY and is NOT an attachment. - I started the latest Alfa/Beta/Release/Whatever version of TB! (5.0.12.1) and imported the message (Tools -> Import Messages -> From Unix-mailboxes.) It displays fine but now the message looks like this: Header: |MIME-Version: 1.0 |Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--E013D5220A8938" Body: |E013D5220A8938 |Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" |Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit | | | | | | Current beta is 5.0.10.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: |http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html | | | | |E013D5220A8938 |Content-Type: application/octet-stream; | name="thebat_error_20110502.gif" |Content-Transfer-Encoding: x-uuencode | |begin 644 thebat_error_20110502.gif |M1TE&.#EAV`',`'<``"P`V`',`*?Z^OKM\?/ZZ>F:FIJGIZ?5UM:WMK:@ [Snip bulk of UUEncoded part] |/6S=JJW3.'L`%&$![ |` |end |E013D5220A8938-- This means the .gif file now is an attachment. For clarity: this also means TB! is not just simply importing messages but modifies them while importing. I am not quite sure if it should be allowed to do that. Another strange thing happened when I saved the message from TB! in Unix Mailbox format. There are two methods: 1) File -> Save as... 2) Tools -> Export message to -> Unix mailbox Both methods save a file with extension .mbox, even if I try to override it by putting an extension like .txt at the end of the name. What's also weird is that I cannot change the name of the file while TB! is still active. I have to close TB! in order to rename the file. It looks like, one way or another, TB! keeps the saved file in memory instead of "releasing" it, like it should do (imho, of course...) Arjan -- I am here to lose control Current beta is 5.0.12.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.10 MSI - thebat_error_20110430.gif (1/1)
Dear Arjan, @08-May-2011, 14:31 +0200 (08-May 13:31 here) Arjan de Groot [ADG] in mid:881ds6d2263do6jvu2vs4nd4p2q6soc...@4ax.com said: ADG> For clarity: this also means TB! is not just simply importing messages ADG> but modifies them while importing. I am not quite sure if it should be ADG> allowed to do that. When importing messages from a non-email compliant (news) format, of course TB has to reformat the messages to be fully MIME compliant and should certainly be allowed to do so. -- Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v5.0.12.1 on Windows 7 6.1.7601 Service Pack 1 ' pgpqwKPy4kPaz.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 5.0.12.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.10 MSI - thebat_error_20110430.gif (1/1)
Hello Marck, On Sun, 8 May 2011 13:47:02 +0100 GMT (08/May/11, 19:47 PM +0700 GMT), Marck Pearlstone wrote: ADG>> For clarity: this also means TB! is not just simply importing messages ADG>> but modifies them while importing. I am not quite sure if it should be ADG>> allowed to do that. MP> When importing messages from a non-email compliant (news) format, of MP> course TB has to reformat the messages to be fully MIME compliant MP> and should certainly be allowed to do so. I think I agree, but this might be out of my league: If TB! is supposed to change from UUencode to MIME, why does it work reliably with v4 and only for some people (and not for all) with v5? -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.44 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.12.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.10 MSI - thebat_error_20110430.gif (1/1)
Dear Thomas, @8-May-2011, 23:52 +0700 (08-May 17:52 here) Thomas Fernandez [TOG] in mid:24048256.20110508235...@thomas-bkk.my-fqdn.de said to Marck: ... MP>> When importing messages from a non-email compliant (news) MP>> format, of course TB has to reformat the messages to be fully MP>> MIME compliant and should certainly be allowed to do so. TOG> I think I agree, but this might be out of my league: If TB! is TOG> supposed to change from UUencode to MIME, why does it work TOG> reliably with v4 and only for some people (and not for all) TOG> with v5? I think TB may have lost the ability to decode inline UUE in the re-write. It clearly still has a UUE decoder for use in the importer. As for why some can and some can't see the attachment correctly in V5, I'd say the lucky few who can are downwind of an MTA (mail server) that does the conversion en-route. In other words, news style UUE message body encoding is not acceptable in the RFC for email in transit, so these servers take it upon themselves to be "helpful". -- Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v5.0.12.1 on Windows 7 6.1.7601 Service Pack 1 ' pgpK2adA1ZMAm.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 5.0.12.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.10 MSI - thebat_error_20110430.gif (1/1)
Hello Marck, On Sun, 8 May 2011 18:08:59 +0100 GMT (09/May/11, 0:08 AM +0700 GMT), Marck Pearlstone wrote: MP> I think TB may have lost the ability to decode inline UUE in the MP> re-write. It clearly still has a UUE decoder for use in the MP> importer. As for why some can and some can't see the attachment MP> correctly in V5, I'd say the lucky few who can are downwind of an MP> MTA (mail server) that does the conversion en-route. In other MP> words, news style UUE message body encoding is not acceptable in the MP> RFC for email in transit, so these servers take it upon themselves MP> to be "helpful". What's your opinion on this? Should TB! continue to decode UUE? I for one think so, for user-friendliness, even though the RFCs don't require it. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.44 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.12.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.10 MSI - thebat_error_20110430.gif (1/1)
Dear Thomas, @9-May-2011, 00:28 +0700 (08-May 18:28 here) Thomas Fernandez [TOG] in mid:6410625341.20110509002...@thomas-bkk.my-fqdn.de said to Marck: ... MP>> I think TB may have lost the ability to decode inline UUE in the MP>> re-write. ... TOG> What's your opinion on this? Should TB! continue to decode UUE? I for TOG> one think so, for user-friendliness, even though the RFCs don't TOG> require it. Tough call. It has to be down to priorities. There are flaws and omissions relating to non-retro technologies that have to take pride of place in the programming queue. I'd put this one on a low priority myself. -- Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v5.0.12.1 on Windows 7 6.1.7601 Service Pack 1 ' pgpvF0DFUcdne.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 5.0.12.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.10 MSI - thebat_error_20110430.gif (1/1)
Hello Marck, On Sun, 8 May 2011 18:35:07 +0100 GMT (09/May/11, 0:35 AM +0700 GMT), Marck Pearlstone wrote: MP> ... MP>>> I think TB may have lost the ability to decode inline UUE in the MP>>> re-write. MP> ... TOG>> What's your opinion on this? Should TB! continue to decode UUE? I for TOG>> one think so, for user-friendliness, even though the RFCs don't TOG>> require it. MP> Tough call. It has to be down to priorities. There are flaws and MP> omissions relating to non-retro technologies that have to take pride MP> of place in the programming queue. I'd put this one on a low MP> priority myself. We have both made our points, the decision is now with Ritlabs. And then ultimately, with their paying customers and *their* priorities with reading emails and viewing attachments. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.44 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.12.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.10 MSI - thebat_error_20110430.gif (1/1)
Hello Thomas, Sunday, May 8, 2011, 6:50:25 PM, you wrote: > Hello Marck, > On Sun, 8 May 2011 18:35:07 +0100 GMT (09/May/11, 0:35 AM +0700 GMT), > Marck Pearlstone wrote: MP>> ... MP I think TB may have lost the ability to decode inline UUE in the MP re-write. MP>> ... TOG>>> What's your opinion on this? Should TB! continue to decode UUE? I for TOG>>> one think so, for user-friendliness, even though the RFCs don't TOG>>> require it. MP>> Tough call. It has to be down to priorities. There are flaws and MP>> omissions relating to non-retro technologies that have to take pride MP>> of place in the programming queue. I'd put this one on a low MP>> priority myself. > We have both made our points, the decision is now with Ritlabs. And > then ultimately, with their paying customers and *their* priorities > with reading emails and viewing attachments. Funny how one's priorities change. I am getting a contact form by email from a website coded in India. I have just complained that the form comes across in a UUE block and they say it works fine in Outlook and why do I use an email client that doesn't display correctly? It's a bit embarrassing, really. I now vote for decoding inline UUE. -- Best regards, Tonymailto:t...@parkinch.co.uk The Bat! 5.0.22.1 (ALPHA) Current beta is 5.0.22.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.10 MSI - thebat_error_20110430.gif (1/1)
Hi Tony, >> We have both made our points, the decision is now with Ritlabs. And >> then ultimately, with their paying customers and *their* priorities >> with reading emails and viewing attachments. > Funny how one's priorities change. > I am getting a contact form by email from a website coded in India. I > have just complained that the form comes across in a UUE block and > they say it works fine in Outlook and why do I use an email client > that doesn't display correctly? It's a bit embarrassing, really. I got that question many times. When I talked with a Chinese about the program (he liked it) and we got to non OS characters filtering problem (not going to tell the guy it's cool and have him call me in a week asking 'How the hell can I filter or search over Chinese?') he decided not even give TB! a try. He was using notebook from US with English OS, so filtering on Chinese language is not working at all (other languages are affected as well). I use TB! and like it but I can't take a risk of recommending it. After a problem with TBK import to v4 (TBK made with v4) I run into I need to dig deeper on that before I recommend v4 as well. Maybe after we get to 5.9 it's gonna be perfect :) Will see :) -- Best Regards, RS (FEDARA) The Bat! 4.2.44.2 Windows 7 x64 Professional (7601 Service Pack 1) Friday, July 29, 2011 (17:57 ; GMT+8) Current beta is 5.0.22.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
