Re: Sorting issue, more information
sábado, 30 jul 2005 at 10:52, it seems you wrote:
You can see the screenshot that shows messages received in the same minute
got sorted the wrong way (oldest to newest). I don't know why, but the
first message of the group that was fetched at 09:54 got sorted in the
right order (it's the highlighted one), while all the rest got sorted in
the wrong order.
You could do multiple sorting columns. Press CTRL key while yo select
the order of the columns clicking in the header of the message list.
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Re: Sorting issue, more information
Hello Fabio! On Saturday, July 30, 2005, 3:52 AM, you wrote: So, the issue is that even if I sort in ascending order, where newest messages should be on top, when messages are received from pop3 server in the same minute they get sorted in descending (wrong) order. I can confirm your experience. I was slow to catch on to what was happening to me, because, in TBOT, Yahoogroups so frequently sends messages on to us out of the order of their creation and randomly delayed, such that often we read replies before originals. I had been trying to attribute the out-of-order arrival from the TB! lists to some such phenomenon, but only in my own mind without discussing the issue with anyone. My preference is to read in ascending order, just like you, sorting by received time. Additionally, I thread by None, preferring to read every message and to read chronologically (flagging those of particular interest as I go)--since I do have the time to read the mailing lists this way. The bug is particularly annoying to me, however, in a rapid e-mail exchange PM, where the conversation is functioning almost as if by telephone. Finally, last night I caught on that the messages were arriving chronologically but being sorted in descending order, contrary to my preference. You can see the screenshot that shows messages received in the same minute got sorted the wrong way (oldest to newest). I don't know why, but the first message of the group that was fetched at 09:54 got sorted in the right order (it's the highlighted one), while all the rest got sorted in the wrong order. Yes. Good example. I am sure that older versions (maybe 2.x?) did not show this behaviour. I am sure, too, because I do a considerable amount of back-and-forth PM e-mail conversation with relatives and friends. But I'm not absolutely certain of the point at which the betas broke it. Certainly somewhere in the later 3.51.xx series, I think. If it had been broken in early 3.xx versions, I would most certainly have become aware that I was being annoyed. If you will write a BT issue report, I will confirm the problem as you describe it. I realize there are work-arounds, by giving up my preference and establishing other habits. Still, it is a bug. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.51.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Sorting issue, more information
Hello Fabio! On Saturday, July 30, 2005, 7:31 AM, you wrote: N You could do multiple sorting columns. Press CTRL key while yo select N the order of the columns clicking in the header of the message list. While this is a great feature that I did not know about, it does not solve my problem. Exactly. I confirm that the problem exists and I will write a supporting note to your BT report, if and when you make one--so please post the link here on TBBETA. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.51.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Sorting issue, more information
Hello Fabio Muzzi everyone else, on 30-Jul-2005 at 10:52 you (Fabio Muzzi) wrote: So, the issue is that even if I sort in ascending order, where newest messages should be on top, when messages are received from pop3 server in the same minute they get sorted in descending (wrong) order. If I understood all of this correctly, it boils down to TB not being precise enough in interpreting the received time - it uses the minutes as the smallest unit, while it should really use the seconds, right? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) I tell you that I can trace my ancestry back to a protoplasmic primordial atomic globule. -- Gilbert Sullivan Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Sorting issue, more information
Hello Fabio! On Saturday, July 30, 2005, 8:13 AM, you wrote: MB If you will write a BT issue report, I will confirm the problem as you MB describe it. Here is it: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4998 Done. Thanks for the careful write-up. :thankyou: -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.51.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Sorting issue, more information
Hello Fabio. On Sat, 2005-07-30 at 15:40 +0200, Fabio Muzzi wrote: ASK If I understood all of this correctly, it boils down to TB not being ASK precise enough in interpreting the received time - it uses the minutes as ASK the smallest unit, while it should really use the seconds, right? The tenth of second, er even a shorter time, should be better. I get more than 10 messages/second from my pop3 server. ...Thats one of the reasons why I prefer to sort by created, rather than by received date. :-) -- Alexander S. Kunz [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.neurowerx.de Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Sorting issue, more information
Hello Fabio! On Saturday, July 30, 2005, 8:41 AM, you wrote: Here is it: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4998 MB Done. Thanks for the careful write-up. :thankyou: Thanks, but I can tell you that the issue did show up before 3.5.50, not in the 51 beta series, because my 3.5.50 shows the same issue. (talking about your comment in the BT system) OK. So maybe one of us should put a modifying comment to my note. I'm getting to be notorious for my inaccurate memory. :) Maybe someone that runs older versions can help us determine when did the problem show up. Yes. I hope so. And can also put further confirmation on BT. Sorry for my inaccurate speculation in my BT support, about which version this first appeared in. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.51.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Sorting issue, more information
Hello Alexander! On Saturday, July 30, 2005, 8:50 AM, you wrote: The tenth of second, er even a shorter time, should be better. I get more than 10 messages/second from my pop3 server. ...Thats one of the reasons why I prefer to sort by created, rather than by received date. :-) But occasionally--especially with Yahoogroups transmissions, which have been experienced as delayed by as much as 2 days--that will result in the message being buried a hundred messages or more down when viewing chronologically, as I greatly prefer to do. And, therefore, occasionally result in a missed post. To my sorrow. And, don't tell me, please, to start threading by Reference, or other view mode, or to stop reading TBOT! ;) SCNR Seriously, I appreciate your contribution here. It *is* a bug, despite the creation time work-around. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.51.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Sorting issue, more information
Hello Fabio Muzzi everyone else, on 30-Jul-2005 at 15:41 you (Fabio Muzzi) wrote: Maybe someone that runs older versions can help us determine when did the problem show up. You can still run 3.0.1.33 (or the last 3.0 beta, 3.0.2.10) yourself to check this. Versions v3 however have the old filtering system and backwards compatibility is limited. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Under tension, a chain will break at its weakest link. That much is predictable. What is difficult is to identify the weakest link before it breaks. -- Gregory Bateson Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Sorting issue?
Hello Stuart, On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:06:09 -0500 GMT (27/07/2005, 19:06 +0700 GMT), Stuart Cuddy wrote: SC Unless you have a specific reason for sorting by Received time you may SC want to switch by Created time. This way replies are usually after SC the original message. I have a specific reason to sort by received time instead of created time, and that is that many people don't seem to have their computer clocks set correctly. Like years or centuries wrong, but sometimes exactly 12 hours (I figure those people are not sure about the meaning of am and pm). I received message from Germans in Thailand who have set their computer clocks to Thai time but the time zone stills shows +0200 GMT. Oh well. But I have not experienced the problem that Fabio describes. Over here, it looks like TB is sorting the messages in the same order it receives them from the server. -- Cheers, Thomas. To really annoy people, stand on a street corner, pointing a hair drier at passing traffic, and watch it slow down. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.51.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
