Re[2]: Mod: Personal Attack (was: Mailing List Abuse) REQUEST FOR MODERATION
In reply to : His totally unfounded accusations against Ritlabs and CIFNet are RG> Unfounded - he posted the message with the headers I believe you should be responding to Paul Van Noord. Nevertheless, posting the headers demonstrates nothing, I believe. -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias Programmers do it bit by bit. Current beta is 3.99.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Mod: Personal Attack (was: Mailing List Abuse)
In reply to : >> His totally unfounded accusations against Ritlabs and CIFNet are >> _very_ serious and should not have been tolerated, under _any_ >> circumstances. It seems obvious to me that what is RG> How was it determined that they were unfounded? If you have proof RG> of that then by all means you are correct. If so please share. If RG> not then you do us all an injustice as, in your words, the RG> accusations ARE very serious Because Indie_dev didn't present evidence of what he was claiming. You'll agree that "Thank you for the excellent description of yourself. I feel sad for you and pity for Atlanta." presents no treat nor evidence whatsoever relating Ritlabs/CIFNet to the anonymous emails presented. Nor does it present any kind of threat. RG> definite tendency to be slavishly accepting and defensive about the RG> Bat and Ritlabs and ignoring their flaws. This man was rejected as RG> much for this as he was for anything he did on the list Sure TB has flaw as almost any piece of software. -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias Modem Police...we clocked you at over 1600 cps. Current beta is 3.99.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Mod: Personal Attack (was: Mailing List Abuse)
8/25/2007 11:51 AM Hi Rick, On 8/25/2007 Rick Grunwald wrote: RG> It is the easy and irresponsible way to deem someone a "troll" then RG> conspire to ignore that person. RG> Indie had genuine concerns although some would have been better posted RG> to another list or in the forums. Getting an off list email by someone RG> trying to hide NEEDS to be addressed. RG> I had always understood the word "troll" in this context to mean RG> someone who not only starts trouble but baits others into it. RG> Apparently some of you apply that term to someone that disagrees with RG> your preconceive notions. I suppose I too qualify as a "troll" RG> For the record I do not know "Indie" outside of Ritlabs i.e. we are RG> not "buddies" I thank you for taking the time to read this and for trying to understand what is being said. First of all, "Indie_Dev" is an admitted alias for the sole purpose of anonymity. Receiving anonymous PM is only a reciprocation of what he has initiated. If that NEEDS to be addressed then his anonymity deserves the same treatment. These are list rules: 1. Stick to the facts, unless stating your opinion, but please make it clear that it is your opinion. 2. Do not use profanity. This list is not the place for it. If a list member is consistently abusive, they will be banned from the list. 3. Do not turn a discussion into a slanging match by resorting to personal insults and/or derogatory remarks. Indie_Dev violated all of these multiple times before he even received the PM. Does he deserve a pass because he is a self-appointed anonymous celebrity who unabashedly proclaims his level of expertise to be significantly superior to the other list members? His totally unfounded accusations against Ritlabs and CIFNet are _very_ serious and should not have been tolerated, under _any_ circumstances. It seems obvious to me that what is right for the goose is also right for the gander. No one deserves a genuflect. It is past time to be fair! Thanks for listening. -- Take Care, Paul Voyager v.3.99.4 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 No IMAP OTFE Current beta is 3.99.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Mod: Personal Attack (was: Mailing List Abuse)
Goncalo, >Garbage In, Gospel Out. Some of us don't have a gospel to out, but it is true that a lot of what comes in is garbage, and the one thing we have a say in is what comes out. And unlike our physical worlds, all we have to deal with here is words on a screen. The effective way to deal with a troll is to not respond to his postings in any way. Of course, this does require a certain level of agreement, which can remain unspoken or at least offlist, among posters. This is simply ancient echo/newsgroup wisdom. -- Gleason Current beta is 3.99.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
