beta/47

[Maxim Masiutin]

Hello TBBETA!

  beta/47 will be packed with RAR 3.0. This makes the file 400KB
  smaller, but unextractable by RAR 2.x.

  RAR 3.0 can be downloaded from www.rarsoft.com

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Beta/47

[Maxim Masiutin]

Hello TBBETA!

  The Bat! 1.54 Beta/47 is available at 
http://www.ritlabs.com/ftp/pub/the_bat/beta/tb154b47.rar

[-] Fixed AV on exit that could sometimes occur
[-] If an S/MIME signer or recipient had multiple certificates when using CryptoAPI 
mode, The Bat! now displays the list of the certificates and asks to select a 
certificate from the list.
[-] Fixed display problems of the message list header
[-] Bug with slow HTML entering (it took 5-10 seconds before displaying some HTML 
files) should be fixed
[-] When a fatal POP3 error occurs, the error message was overwritten in the log line 
of the main form by the "0 messages received line"

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Re: beta/47

[Tony Boom]

This message: 11/03/2002 22:58 GMT.

Hello Kenneth,


  A reminder of what Kenneth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed on:
  11 March 2002 at 17:40:15 GMT -0500

KSR> I am not going to purchase a program to uncompress only one software that 
requires RAR.

I'll agree with that. As soon as the 40 day trial period is up with
this Winrar3 I'll be stuck with whatever version of TB is released
when that time comes.


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Re: beta/47

[Michael Urban]

Hello,
 
>   beta/47 will be packed with RAR 3.0. This makes the file 400KB
>   smaller, but unextractable by RAR 2.x.

>   RAR 3.0 can be downloaded from www.rarsoft.com

Just to warm up an old discussion:

_Don't_ spend your time searching for new packing tools.

_Do_ spend time fixing bugs.

Ok, you save 400kB each download now - but had you tested b47
properly, then it would have worked and now need for b47a would have
been there. That would have saved a lot more bandwidth...

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Re: Beta/47

[Tony Boom]

This message: 11/03/2002 21:04 GMT.

Hello Shahar,


  A reminder of what Shahar ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed on:
  11 March 2002 at 21:51:27 GMT +0200

>> Just tried this Beta and The Bat doesn't load - it offers me the
>> choice of Setup Directories.

>> Back to Beta 46 here.


S> Same here.

   First off, I use Powerachiver 2001 and it extracted no problem.

   Secondly, TB! does load and does not ask for directories to be installed
   in...

   Your not supposed to run the exe file, just extract it to your existing
   Bat directory overwriting the existing thebat.exe.

   From the behaviour your describing your trying to run the unrared exe
   file without it being in your existing Bat folder and expecting it to
   install itself.

   It's just an updated executable, not a full blown install.

   HTH

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Re: beta/47

[Eddie Castelli]

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Dear Yuki san,

 --->>> Yuki Taga / Dienstag 12.03.2002, 10:30:54
        beta/47


EC>>   -a- PowerArchiver 2001 at http://www.powerarchiver.com/ and
EC>>   -b- Ontrack's PowerDesk at http://www.ontrack.com/

> Yes, and if they upload self-extracting archives, the whole thing
> becomes moot. Nobody has to download anything except the beta. Ever.

I confess having an archived file is much more convenient for me. I
have three different Versions of TB!.exe files in the same directory.
Using the Archived files I can easily extract them and rename it
before putting them to the Program Folder.

Also I think that in these days every 'Standard' configured System has
a good Archive Tool.

As a last argument for Archiving files is that .exe files could carry
unwanted codes where archived files are not executables and so a
better security. I know a lot of people who will never accept anything
except archived files.

Have a nice day.


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Re: beta/47

[Jano Skokanek]

Hello Maxim,

11. marca 2002, 20:22:21, you wrote:

MM>   beta/47 will be packed with RAR 3.0. This makes the file 400KB
MM>   smaller, but unextractable by RAR 2.x.
AFAIK, this is not exact:
 Cut--
 RAR 3.0 archives can be unpacked by any RAR version beginning
 from RAR 2.9, currently it is 2.9 and 3.0. RAR 3.0 can unpack
 archives created by all older RAR versions.
 Cut--
See:
http://www.rarsoft.com/rar/WhatsNew.txt
  

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Re: beta/47

[Daniel Friedmann]

Hello Eddie,

> There are 2 tools that work without problems:
>   -a- PowerArchiver 2001 at http://www.powerarchiver.com/ and
>   -b- Ontrack's PowerDesk at http://www.ontrack.com/

I use both of them but unfortunately none could open the latest beta
compressed by RAR 3.x. Both programs showed a CRC-error. They will
have to be updated by their programmers but obviously that has not
been done yet.

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Re: beta/47

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Eddie!

On Tuesday, March 12, 2002 at 10:52:53 AM you wrote:

> Also I think that in these days every 'Standard' configured System has
> a good Archive Tool.

Right to the point. And nobody having a good archiving tool will be
happy to get yet another one.

The beta 47 archive is *not*, repeat *not* "Standard"!


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Re: beta/47

[Jernej Simončič]

Hello Tony,

12. marec 2002, 0:00:56, you wrote:

TB> I'll agree with that. As soon as the 40 day trial period is up with
TB> this Winrar3 I'll be stuck with whatever version of TB is released
TB> when that time comes.

Actually not, after 40 days are through, WinRAR will only pop up a
dialog at startup, asking you to register.

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Re: beta/47

[Jernej Simončič]

Hello Nick,

12. marec 2002, 17:26:24, you wrote:

NA> Thanks Marck. Actually, I do like WinRar 3.0 and might just purchase the
NA> product. I'm kind of fooling around with it now, and it's compression
NA> ratio is fantastic. I am able to RAR up a few Folders I never seem to
NA> use much and am saving MB's of space on the paltry 2.1 GB HDD of mine.

Before rushing, may I suggest you to test 7-zip
, which is excellent free packer, which
achieves even greater compression ratio than WinRAR 3. If you don't
look into great protection (I'm talking about protection when archive
file itself is damaged - RAR is superior here), then 7z might be even
better choice (The Bat! 1.54beta47b executable compressed with 7z and
converted to self-extracting archive is still 80kB smaller than
original RAR file.

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Re: beta/47

[Doug Weller]

Hi,

Wednesday, March 13, 2002, 2:52:07 AM, you wrote:

> Hallo Doug,

>> [SNIP]
>>> You can use UltimateZip (freeware) instead of WinRAR (shareware) :
>>> http://www.ultimatezip.com/

>> An excellent program which I use all the time.

> Can it handle the new RAR-Format?

Nope, turns out it can't.  A pain.

Doug

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Beta/47 re-uploaded

[Maxim Masiutin]

  The correct executable has been re-uploaded as
  http://www.ritlabs.com/ftp/pub/the_bat/beta/tb154b47a.rar

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Re[2]: beta/47

[Chuck Smith]

On  Monday, March 11, 2002  at  17:40:15 GMT -0500 
(which was 5:40 PM where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:

Hello Kenneth,

KSR> Previous rar version worked fine.  Why fiddle with the new version.

KSR> Besides, the standard compression software is zip, not rar. I
KSR> am not going to purchase a program to uncompress only one
KSR> software that requires RAR. All the other companies are using
KSR> Zip.

KSR> Let's not try to alienate your user base here.

I agree. I just purchased Powerarchiver just because Winzip does not
support RAR and bz2 and probably never would. Now the RAR support
doesn't work but will as soon as the next version is released.

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Re: beta/47 - compression

[Jernej Simončič]

Hello Josef,

12. marec 2002, 1:32:27, you wrote:

JK> why don't you use winace when you're so happy about a few bytes?
JK> the compression ratio of ace is imo much better than any other packer
JK> can reach.

It used to be till RAR3 came. Now RAR is better...

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Re[2]: beta/47

[TNT]

Did  you  get  the  latest  2.7b2?  I  installed  it  and  was able to
uncompress 1.54b47b with no problem at all. Unless b47b was in RAR v2.


Wednesday, March 13, 2002, 7:51:37 PM, you wrote:

DW> Hi,

DW> Wednesday, March 13, 2002, 2:52:07 AM, you wrote:

>> Hallo Doug,

>>> [SNIP]
 You can use UltimateZip (freeware) instead of WinRAR (shareware) :
 http://www.ultimatezip.com/

>>> An excellent program which I use all the time.

>> Can it handle the new RAR-Format?

DW> Nope, turns out it can't.  A pain.

DW> Doug



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Re[2]: beta/47

[Ted Ryder]

Hello Doug,

Wednesday, March 13, 2002, 12:51:37 PM, you wrote:

DW> Hi,

DW> Wednesday, March 13, 2002, 2:52:07 AM, you wrote:

>> Hallo Doug,

>>> [SNIP]
 You can use UltimateZip (freeware) instead of WinRAR (shareware) :
 http://www.ultimatezip.com/

>>> An excellent program which I use all the time.

>> Can it handle the new RAR-Format?

DW> Nope, turns out it can't.  A pain.

DW> Doug


UltimateZip 2.7 Beta 2 does work.  While a Beta, UltimateZip seems to
work quite well for all formats it support, including the new RAR
version.  IMHO better than all other products I have tried.

Also, apologies for the fire storm I caused in stating what version
of XP I am running.  I am NOT a Beta tester for Windows XP.  It would
appear I was quite incorrect about the version I am running.  The
place I got the information about SP1 was when I looked at everything
I had installed under add/remove programs.  There are multiple entries
for the patches I have installed that refer to "Windows XP Hotfix
(SP1) []".  When I look under Control Panel -> System -> General
it only says "Microsoft Windows XP Professional Version 2002".  When I
look at boot time, and under the Command window, it says "Microsoft
Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]".  You tell me what version it is.  I am
not now, nor do I intend to be a Windows guru, programmer, or anything
else related to Microsoft.  This is just the standard Windows XP
Professional update purchased off the shelf.  Windows is inflicted on
me just as most people because of the applications (mostly Office)
needed to co-exist with the rest of the world.

Finally, the RAR issue has been declared a dead topic, and the whole
thread about "Windows XP SP1" is quite irrelevant to getting The Bat
1.54 in a finalized production release.  I personally want to see it
baselined at some point so that the developers can move on to full
IMAP4 functionality

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Re[3]: beta/47

[DG Raftery Sr.]

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Wednesday, March 13, 2002
8:29:18 PM
RE: "beta/47"

Greetings Ted,

On Wednesday, March 13, 2002, 3:28:01 PM, you wrote:

Ted> Hello Doug,

Ted> Wednesday, March 13, 2002, 12:51:37 PM, you wrote:

DW>> Hi,

DW>> Wednesday, March 13, 2002, 2:52:07 AM, you wrote:

>>> Hallo Doug,

>>>> [SNIP]
>>>>> You can use UltimateZip (freeware) instead of WinRAR (shareware) :
>>>>> http://www.ultimatezip.com/

>>>> An excellent program which I use all the time.

>>> Can it handle the new RAR-Format?

DW>> Nope, turns out it can't.  A pain.

DW>> Doug


Ted> UltimateZip 2.7 Beta 2 does work.  While a Beta, UltimateZip seems to
Ted> work quite well for all formats it support, including the new RAR
Ted> version.  IMHO better than all other products I have tried.

Agreed.

Ted> Also, apologies for the fire storm I caused in stating what version
Ted> of XP I am running.  I am NOT a Beta tester for Windows XP.  It would
Ted> appear I was quite incorrect about the version I am running.  The
Ted> place I got the information about SP1 was when I looked at everything
Ted> I had installed under add/remove programs.  There are multiple entries
Ted> for the patches I have installed that refer to "Windows XP Hotfix
Ted> (SP1) []".

I laud you for your response above. Any HOTFIX, as listed under the
Windows XP Add Remove Programs WILL reflect SP1 as those hotfixes will be
included with the service pack due late 2nd, early 3rd quarter 2002
(although we all know Microsoft's ability to hit a projected deadline).

I was not intentionally picking on you nor attempting to create a "firestorm"
of abusive and obnoxious comments. I just had problems believing a SP1 beta
tester, with ALL the damn legal forms we had to sign, would publicize the
fact that he was running the beta version of WinXP Service Pack 1 and NOT
only that but request an outside company fix problems with software running
under Windows XP beta Service Pack 1 when they probably haven't seen it yet nor
if the code changes to XP will be final.

Sorry for my perceived bashing of you.

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DEAD HORSE (was beta/47)

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi TB Beta list,

On 12 March 2002 at 20:12:40 +0100 (which was 19:12 where I live)
Jernej Simončič wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

> Before rushing, may I suggest you to test 7-zip



This topic has gone way "off" / too long and I am forced to pronounce
it dead.

Please take it off-list or to TBOT.

Thank you.


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DEAD HORSE (was beta/47)

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi TB Beta list,

On 12 March 2002 at 19:00:24 + Tony Boom wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

> Your not suggesting I carry on and use it illegally are you?



This topic has gone way "off" / too long and I am forced to pronounce
it dead.

Please take it off-list or to TBOT.

Thank you.


As for version 2 ... the main theory is that 1.54 is a precursor
containing around 90% of the features slated for v2.

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Re[2]: Beta/47 re-uploaded

[Leslie Costar]

Hello Krzysztof,

On Tuesday, March 12, 2002, 8:05:23 AM, you wrote:

 
> On 02-03-11, 22:24, you wrote:

>>   The correct executable has been re-uploaded as
>>   http://www.ritlabs.com/ftp/pub/the_bat/beta/tb154b47a.rar

>  Hmmm ... maybe thi one:
>  http://www.ritlabs.com/ftp/pub/the_bat/beta/tb154b47b.rar
 


That seems to fix the Help | Version problem. Now displaying Beta 47
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Archive formats: (WAS: Re: beta/47)

[Yuki Taga]

Hi Eddie,

Tuesday, March 12, 2002, 6:52:53 PM, you wrote:

>> Yes, and if they upload self-extracting archives, the whole thing
>> becomes moot. Nobody has to download anything except the beta.
>> Ever.

EC> I confess having an archived file is much more convenient for me.
EC> I have three different Versions of TB!.exe files in the same
EC> directory. Using the Archived files I can easily extract them and
EC> rename it before putting them to the Program Folder.

With all due respect, I don't think you understand this, Eddie.  A
self-extracting archive is still an archive.  You can store it,
re-name it, do anything to it that you can to to any other archive,
including archive it inside another archive, if you want. But it has
an .exe file extension, rather than .zip, .rar, or dot-anything. And
when you double click it, you can extract it to anywhere you want.

That is really the ONLY difference, other than the fact that the
self-extracting format has an overhead of a few bytes compared to the
original file.

I don't see one bit of functionality that you gain from having an
archive that relies on an underlying program to open and extract its
contents, as opposed to a self-extracting archive, that needs no
underlying program, period.  Do you, now, after reading this?

Best,

Yuki

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