Re: TheBat! cannot close
Friday, September 24, 2004 6:36 AM Terry wrote: I've been perusing the list archives for tbudl, tbtech, and tbbeta but I can't find a solution to the TB! some tasks are active problem. I've tried setting IMAP servers to disconnect, entering /EXIT from the command line, looking for the .IPC file, etc. I don't seem to have any extraneous temp files. Here is another piece of info that may be helpful -- Friday, September 24, 2004 6:36 AM Allie wrote: Are you running any plugins or antivirus/antispam proxies? These are known to interfere with TB!'s negotiations with remote servers. I am not running any plugins nor proxies, though I am using Norton A/V to filter incoming/outgoing mail. -- Cordially, -twf = Terry Frazier Atlanta, GA, USA Using The Bat! v3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TheBat! cannot close
Hallo Terry, On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 06:36:16 -0400GMT (24-9-2004, 12:36 +0200, where I live), you wrote: TF I've been perusing the list archives for tbudl, tbtech, and tbbeta but TF I can't find a solution to the TB! some tasks are active problem. There isn't, as long as there are any tasks active, TB won't close. When you're connecting to your server have you tried to abort the connection from the CC, I don't mean to close th CC, as that merely hides it, but using the Abort button. Did you try other IMAP clients, to see whether they've got problems disconnecting your server? TF -- moderator on You've got your signature delimiter wrong, it is spacedashdash and it should be the other way around dashdashspace on a line by itself. moderator off -- Groetjes, Roelof The Bat! 3.0.0.16 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 1 pop3 account, server on LAN Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TheBat! cannot close
* Roelof Otten [EMAIL PROTECTED] [040924 05:55]: There isn't, as long as there are any tasks active, TB won't close. I also have been facing these problemince previous few versions. Even aborting does not help. Due to this, I have almost stopped using the bat and shifted to Eudora. Shantanu http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TheBat! cannot close
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On or about Friday, September 24, 2004 at 06:36:16 (GMT -0400), Terry Frazier did scrawl: I've been perusing the list archives for tbudl, tbtech, and tbbeta but I can't find a solution to the TB! some tasks are active problem. I've tried setting IMAP servers to disconnect, entering /EXIT from the command line, looking for the .IPC file, etc. I don't seem to have any extraneous temp files. But I _cannot_ get TB! to shut down. This is very irritating, as when I do a force quit with Task Manager I lose some of my preference settings. Has anyone found a solid solution to this? Any help appreciated. I never have. Mind you, I'm still working with a stone-age version of TB!, but it will regularly hang on the connecting to server phase (according to the CC). You can press 'Cancel' and 'Abort' all you want, and no joy. I've just kind of learned to live with it. - -- Herb Warren Using The Bat! 1.62r on: Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Send mail with the subject PGP Key Request for public key iQA/AwUBQVQMfZW3c64KxgfCEQKTBgCg8201pjZBpJyUVY/bukF6K6bYhaQAnjD3 qNgNUZTTiVYtSpGAMqjtQbau =vcGW -END PGP SIGNATURE- http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TheBat! cannot close
Friday, September 24, 2004 you wrote: --- I also have been facing these problemince previous few versions. Even aborting does not help. Due to this, I have almost stopped using the bat and shifted to Eudora. Since I upgraded to version 3 I have not had this problem once. Before version 3 my bat! would lock up (during message download from any of the several mail servers I use) several times per day and I would have to kill the task from Windows Task Manager. Abort never worked for me either. Very frustrating - especially if I forgot to restart the Bat! I did learn that I could make the situation better if I used the Dispatch Mail on Server and use Read and Delete and/or reduce the number of messages in a batch if many had built up. Has anyone else noticed the action buttons are now mis-labeled on the Pick e-mail addresses dialog? (They are now 4, 44, 3, 33, r, s - not sure when this happened - hardly ever use that dialog - not a big deal really ) -- Terry Fritts http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TheBat! cannot close
Friday, September 24, 2004 8:00 AM Arthur wrote: I never have. Mind you, I'm still working with a stone-age version of TB!, but it will regularly hang on the connecting to server phase (according to the CC). You can press 'Cancel' and 'Abort' all you want, and no joy. I've just kind of learned to live with it. I used 1.62r forever and never had a problem. But last week I upgraded to 3.0 to try the IMAP capability. This problem only occurs (for me) with 3.0. -- Cordially, -twf = Terry Frazier Atlanta, GA, USA Using The Bat! v3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TheBat! cannot close
Friday, September 24, 2004 7:23 AM Roelof wrote: TF I've been perusing the list archives for tbudl, tbtech, and tbbeta but TF I can't find a solution to the TB! some tasks are active problem. There isn't, as long as there are any tasks active, TB won't close. When you're connecting to your server have you tried to abort the connection from the CC, I don't mean to close th CC, as that merely hides it, but using the Abort button. Yes, I have cleared the CC with the Abort button. The IMAP is cfg'd to disconnect so in some cases there isn't anything in CC to abort. Even in such a case, and where there are no apparent processes running in Task Manager, I still get the some tasks are now active warning. I don't mind killing the tasks manually, at least for now, if I can just find them. Did you try other IMAP clients, to see whether they've got problems disconnecting your server? No, not yet. I may give MozillaMail a try this weekend, as there is a new app I want to try that is written for Moz but won't run in FireFox. I do use two different IMAP servers at different hosts. But TB! isn't giving any indication that would lead me to a specific connection problem. moderator on You've got your signature delimiter wrong Thanks. -- Cordially, -twf = Terry Frazier Atlanta, GA, USA Using The Bat! v3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TheBat! cannot close
Hello Terry, But I _cannot_ get TB! to shut down. I have this problem, too. The only way I can shut TB! is to reboot. It's inconceivable that such an action should be necessary under W2K SP4, but there's no way to kill the task. I can't do it with Task Manager and KILL -F at the command line doesn't work, either. AFAICT, the problem is caused by a very bad interface between TB! and NAV. (I'm using NAV 2002.) Before I configured NAV to scan incoming e-mail, I *never* had this problem. However, blaming the problem on NAV is too easy. It's TB! that I can't kill as a process; I firmly believe that there's no good reason for this other than some very sloppy programming. Has anyone found a solid solution to this? I have noticed that the problem is most likely to occur after I resume the PC from standby. If I use the browser to connect to any web site first and *then* start up TB!, the freezing problem does not occur or, at least, seems to occur less often. regards, Andy [Using The Bat! 1.62r under Windows 2000 Pro SP4 on a made from scratch P4-2.4 GHz/512 MB RAM] http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TheBat! cannot close
Friday, September 24, 2004 9:18 AM Andrew wrote: AFAICT, the problem is caused by a very bad interface between TB! and NAV. (I'm using NAV 2002.) Before I configured NAV to scan incoming e-mail, I *never* had this problem. However, blaming the problem on NAV is too easy. It's TB! that I can't kill as a process; I firmly believe that there's no good reason for this other than some very sloppy programming. Has anyone found a solid solution to this? I have noticed that the problem is most likely to occur after I resume the PC from standby. If I use the browser to connect to any web site first and *then* start up TB!, the freezing problem does not occur or, at least, seems to occur less often. Excellent! Excellent! I turned off e-mail scanning for Norton A/V 2003 and TB! shutdown normally. I don't know what other factors -- sleep, standby, etc -- affect it as I haven't experimented yet. This *is* dumb -- an e-mail program too stupid to handle scanning of incoming messages by common third-party packages. I mean, how many people _don't_ run some sort of third-party A/V? Maybe it's just TB!'s tolerance of Norton. In any case, quite disappointing behavior from a package I've used and relied on for years. Thanks for the tip. -- Cordially, -twf = Terry Frazier Atlanta, GA, USA Using The Bat! v3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TheBat! cannot close
Andrew- You might want to look into NOD32 or another AV solution as a replacement for Norton. I too have had my share of problems with the TB/NAV combination - lng mail retrieval times, 100% CPU usage, inability to kill tasks, and have not had this problem with NOD32. Of course, I don't usually try to exit while TB is in the process of retrieving mail. I think the problem scenario is this: TB goes to retrieve mail, NAV grabs the incoming mail to scan, and TB is in a locked thread waiting for NAV to be done with its processing before handing it back to TB. Then TB can continue putting the email in the right folder, executing filters, etc. During this time NAV is working with the email in a temporary file and copies need to be made, NAV checks permissions, etc. This is the way AV programs work and there's nothing wrong with this process, but Norton AV seems to get its claws down very deep into system processes to the point where nothing else can be done in the meantime. I believe what's happening is that TB can't shut down because it's waiting for Norton to relinquish its hold on a process that TB has no control over. Decreasing the frequency of mail checking might improve things. I have mine set to check every five minutes and that seems to keep everyone happy. -- -Mark Wieder Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TheBat! cannot close
Hello Andrew, Friday, September 24, 2004, 7:17:18 PM, you wrote: AA Well, actually, I don't want to buy another AV solution. NAV works AA just fine with most e-mail clients. Seems kind of silly to buy another AA product B due to product A's bugs. And, I don't know that my version AA of TB! would do any better with any other AV product. Sorry if you already gave the answer to this question: What is the version number of NAV you are using? -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! 3.0.0.18 http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TheBat! cannot close
Hello Mark, What is the version number of NAV you are using? NAV 2002 (8.07.17C) regards, Andy [Using The Bat! 1.62r under Windows 2000 Pro SP4 on a made from scratch P4-2.4 GHz/512 MB RAM] http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TheBat! cannot close
Hello Andrew, Saturday, September 25, 2004, 12:49:11 AM, you wrote: AA NAV 2002 (8.07.17C) AA [Using The Bat! 1.62r under Windows 2000 Pro SP4 If I understand it well, you have always had this problem with TB! ? I have started using Windows 2000 later than you, but I _never_ had to boot it in order to kill a task. Memory Zipper had to come to a rescue some times. Only time TB! was involved was in one beta-version. -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! 3.0.0.18 http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TheBat! cannot close
Hello Mark, If I understand it well, you have always had this problem with TB! ? Only since I configured NAV 2002 to scan incoming. (This info was also in an earlier post. Please read the thread before posting!) I have started using Windows 2000 later than you, but I _never_ had to boot it in order to kill a task. Glad to hear it. regards, Andy [Using The Bat! 1.62r under Windows 2000 Pro SP4 on a made from scratch P4-2.4 GHz/512 MB RAM] http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: Cut mark (was: TheBat! cannot close)
Hallo Andrew, On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 15:18:09 +0200GMT (24-9-2004, 15:18 +0200, where I live), you wrote: AA regards, Andy AA [Using The Bat! 1.62r under Windows 2000 Pro SP4 AA on a made from scratch P4-2.4 GHz/512 MB RAM] AA AA http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Andrew. ' Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists of a dashdashspacereturn, i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line. This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without the signature and list footers since everything below and including the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting. You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimiter in your templates. Even if you barely have a signature to speak of, that doesn't make any difference to whether or not you need a cut mark. You are being courteous to other readers since at least three lines of text is added to your signature by the list server. To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you subscribed. Thank you. /moderator -- Groetjes, Roelof The Bat! 3.0.0.16 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 1 pop3 account, server on LAN Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
