Re: Submission forms

2000-01-26 Thread Leif Gregory

Hello Jast, 

On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 at 06:12:09 [GMT +0100], you wrote:
J  Thanks, but...

J I imported the PGP-key and added the forms. Now this may sound
J stupid, but I still have no idea how to use them. I see them in the
J submission forms menu window, but all I can do with them is delete
J them from there again... Am I doing something wrong?

Click on Message from the TB toolbar, and select a form under "Submit
a Form" slide box.



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Re: On editors and wishlists

2000-01-26 Thread Nico Schirwing

Hello Douglas,

 I did start this as private mail, but it's a valid question for
 TBUDL: Why do you all use The Bat?

It's simply the best.

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Re[2]: On editors and wishlists

2000-01-26 Thread Martyn Drake

On 26 January 2000, Nico Schirwing wrote:-

 Hello Douglas,

 I did start this as private mail, but it's a valid question for
 TBUDL: Why do you all use The Bat?

 It's simply the best.

I agree with that.  I finished with Eudora Pro 4.x as they refused to
acknowledge genuine bugs and fix them, the integration with Internet
Explorer was terrible and it's a beast of a program now.

I needed to find a client which handled "proper" quoting, had decent
WYSIWYG word wrapping, the ability to open a seperate reading window
per message (plus the ability for said window to stay in the same
place each and every time), and support multiple accounts.  Oh, and it
had to be cheap :)

The Bat! has lived up to that criteria and added so many other decent
features I would gladly recommend this program to anyone.

Regards,

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Re[3]: On editors and wishlists

2000-01-26 Thread Douglas Hinds


Hello Martyn  all fellow TBUDL members,

Wednesday, January 26, 2000, 5:42:46 AM, Martyn responded to Nico's
saying:

 It's simply the best.

Which did not respond to Tom's question. Martyn however, gave concrete
reasons why he prefers it in relation to other mailers. I did also. I
feel that the question asked by Tom was legitimate, especially for
someone evaluating TB!, using an unregistered version and still
looking around. I myself am not, but the quality of the support from
both RITLabs and TBUDL are important factors supporting that decision,
along with the others I stated. TB! is a serious adult's mailer.

I'll be off line for a few days and in any case, doubt that any
controversy will be generated by the above.

Douglas

MD I agree with that.  I finished with Eudora Pro 4.x as they refused to
MD acknowledge genuine bugs and fix them, the integration with Internet
MD Explorer was terrible and it's a beast of a program now.

MD I needed to find a client which handled "proper" quoting, had decent
MD WYSIWYG word wrapping, the ability to open a seperate reading window
MD per message (plus the ability for said window to stay in the same
MD place each and every time), and support multiple accounts.  Oh, and it
MD had to be cheap :)

MD The Bat! has lived up to that criteria and added so many other decent
MD features I would gladly recommend this program to anyone.

MD Regards,

MD Martyn


Well said.

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Re: Spell Checker Oddity ?

2000-01-26 Thread Fred Weissman

 On Tuesday, January 25, 2000, 1:54:34 PM, Nick Andriash wrote:

 I have "auto correct" enabled

 A clarification on the above statement... I have "Automatic Checking"
 enabled, as "Auto Correct" doesn't work for me, and never has.

Good point.
I can't find anything in the help file that states exactly what 'auto
correct' is -supposed- to do.
Because now that you mention it, I'm not so sure it's doing anything right
now.

Clarification anyone?

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Re: Spell Checker Oddity ?

2000-01-26 Thread Fred Weissman

 On Tuesday, January 25, 2000, 2:09:00 PM, Fred Weissman wrote:

 "Ignore All" as I understand it, tells the checker to ignore all occurrences
 of that word for -this- message (or use) only.  Since it's not being added
 to the user dictionary, it will flag it as unknown/incorrect the next
 time the spell checker is called into action.

 That's correct Fred... although TB's Spell Checker doesn't ignore all
 future occurrences of the word in that one message... it keeps on flagging
 them for some reason. Do you use Auto Correct? If so, what's the secret to
 enabling it, other than the obvious option of turning it on via Spell
 Checker/Options/Auto Correct? I've taken a look at the Correct.tlx
 Dictionary, and it's full of words, so I would imagine it's loaded on my
 install... just not useable?

Hmmm ... I just played around with a few things and I do think we've
discovered a bug.  Oops, e, I mean an undocumented negative feature.
First off, under 'spell checker' from the edit window, I have 'automatic
checking' enabled.  Under options, I have 'auto correct' enabled.

I just wrote typed the word "wrong" incorrectly three times:
wrng wrng wrng

At first they were flagged as incorrect.  I right-clicked on one of them
and selected 'ignore all' and the red line did not disappear.  Then I
opened up the actual spell checker window by right-clicking one of the
incorrect words and selecting 'suggest more'.  I then selected 'ignore all'
and the red line disappeared.  I deleted them, and retyped them again, and
they are not flagged now.  I opened up a new message window and typed
in 'wrng' and it was not flagged.  Then I closed Bat completely and
reopened it.  I typed 'wrng' again, and now it is flagged.  BUT the three
'wrng' above, and not flagged.

Methinks the right-click version of 'ignore all' isn't connected to
anything.  IOW, it doesn't work.  And I hope the guys at RIT are reading
this.

I know this doesn't solve your problem, but it certainly confirms that
something is wrng.  Oops ... I mean wrong.

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Re: Spell Checker Oddity ?

2000-01-26 Thread Nick Andriash

On Wednesday, January 26, 2000, 7:15:11 AM, Fred Weissman wrote:

 Methinks the right-click version of 'ignore all' isn't connected to
 anything.  IOW, it doesn't work.  And I hope the guys at RIT are reading
 this.

I sent off a letter yesterday to RIT Research Labs about the problem...
for me, it's one of the only weak points about the Editor I can find, but
an important one as I don't want to employ an external Spell Checker.

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Re: Spell Checker Oddity ?

2000-01-26 Thread Nick Andriash

On Wednesday, January 26, 2000, 7:19:26 AM, Fred Weissman wrote:

 I can't find anything in the help file that states exactly what 'auto
 correct' is -supposed- to do.
 Because now that you mention it, I'm not so sure it's doing anything right
 now.

Fred, it's supposed to automatically correct common mistyping's ;o) such
as Febuary... in which case, as soon as you are finished the word _and_
the word exists in the correct.tlx Dictionary, then the word would/should
automatically be corrected to February for you without the user having to
do anything. Very nice!

And on a final note... you are absolutely correct... that feature isn't
working at the moment, but hopefully I'll hear back from RIT Labs with a
plan to resolve the problem.

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Re: Spell Checker Oddity ?

2000-01-26 Thread Nick Danger

In Reference to "Spell Checker Oddity ?" From Nick Andriash:

NA Fred, it's supposed to automatically correct common mistyping's ;o) such
NA as Febuary... in which case, as soon as you are finished the word _and_
NA the word exists in the correct.tlx Dictionary, then the word would/should
NA automatically be corrected to February for you without the user having to
NA do anything.

It's there, just quirky.  If you type Febuary you'll notice a more
squared off underline than the usual zigzag type for misspelling. For
those words a double right click will "auto correct".  I think there
is also a keyboard shortcut but what it is alludes me at the moment.

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Re: Spell Checker Oddity ?

2000-01-26 Thread Allie Martin

On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 08:38:10 -0800, Nick Andriash wrote:

==8
 Fred, it's supposed to automatically correct common mistyping's ;o) such
 as Febuary... in which case, as soon as you are finished the word _and_
 the word exists in the correct.tlx Dictionary, then the word would/should
 automatically be corrected to February for you without the user having to
 do anything. Very nice!

 And on a final note... you are absolutely correct... that feature isn't
 working at the moment, but hopefully I'll hear back from RIT Labs with a
 plan to resolve the problem.

I see under the spellchecker menu, an option for automatic checking. Where's
this autochecking option? I don't see it anywhere. :-/

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Re: Spell Checker Oddity ?

2000-01-26 Thread Fred Weissman

 In Reference to "Spell Checker Oddity ?" From Nick Andriash:

NA Fred, it's supposed to automatically correct common mistyping's ;o) such
NA as Febuary... in which case, as soon as you are finished the word _and_
NA the word exists in the correct.tlx Dictionary, then the word would/should
NA automatically be corrected to February for you without the user having to
NA do anything.

 It's there, just quirky.  If you type Febuary you'll notice a more
 squared off underline than the usual zigzag type for misspelling. For
 those words a double right click will "auto correct".  I think there
 is also a keyboard shortcut but what it is alludes me at the moment.

AH HAH!

I've noticed that 'different' underline and never realized why.
Thanks.
And yes, a double-right-click does auto correct it.
But that's not exactly -auto- in my mind.  Auto should mean no user
intervention.

When (if) you get an answer from RIT, would you mind forwarding it to me,
as the traffic here is getting to the point where I'm barely skimming the
subject headers.

Thanks again.

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Re: On editors and wishlists

2000-01-26 Thread Tom Plunket

 I did start this as private mail, but it's a valid question for
 TBUDL: Why do you all use The Bat?

NS It's simply the best.

I'm coming to learn this...  ;)

Next thing I wanna know is, how are they going to pull off column
block selection mode if they allow proportional width fonts?  It's
merely an interesting programming question for me, though, as I can't
stand proportional-width fonts in general...  ;)

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Receiving Mail Dialog

2000-01-26 Thread Keith Russell

Hello, fellow Bat-lovers.

  Recently, the box that had been opening up in the middle of my
  screen as I downloaded messages, giving me a very helpful message
  count, has stopped displaying. I see only an icon on the task bar.

  I'm sure it's some obvious (to everyone else 8-)) setting that
  accidentally got changed, but I can't find it for the life of me.

  Can someone tell me what's going on?

  Thanks.

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Why do I use The Bat? (was: On editors and wishlists)

2000-01-26 Thread Nico Schirwing

Hello Douglas,

 It's simply the best.
 Which did not respond to Tom's question.

It does. The Bat unites all the features that other programs lack off
under a smart interface. I always thought that would be impossible,
since often you get cool features here and a nice interface there...
but not all together. Well, until I found The Bat!

You get the feeling that someone really thought about what's useful
and what's needed. Every day I find new features and I think "how
could I ever live without this and that?".

It looks like the development still goes on. That may sound silly but
it's very important. If you're a former Pegasus user you'll know what
I mean... Support doesn't mean to explain to me why things don't work
or why they can't be implemented or why they have to be this way or
that way (in other words: why others think they don't like it my way
or have no clue how to program it!). The Bat! is a kick in the ass of
all those people who say it doesn't work. It does. Look here.

It's simply the best today. Dot.

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Re: PGP Bug?

2000-01-26 Thread Wolfgang Kynast

Hi Sebastian,

SA I am using The BAT since version 1.38e. I installed PGP support (6.5)
SA and am happy with it. There is just something that keeps bothering me,
SA and it happens every time I decrypt an encrypted message (it contains
SA the sender's public key at the end). The program keeps asking me if I
SA want to import the keyset. Well, the first time I thought that would
SA be okay, but it does that EVERY time I am decrypting a mail. What's
SA that all about? Does anyone have the same problem? What's the
SA solution?

The solution is not to put your PGP key in every message.
That's an absolutely annoying overhead. Put it on your
home page and add the URL to your signature.

And please add an signature separator "-- " (dashdashenternewline)
to your TBUDL template.

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Re[2]: Submission forms

2000-01-26 Thread Wolfgang Kynast

Hi,

...
J  I imported the PGP-key and added the forms. Now this may sound stupid, but
J  I  still  have no idea how to use them. I see them in the submission forms
J  menu window, but all I can do with them is delete them from there again...
J  Am I doing something wrong?

from a mail to this list I wrote in January 1999:

Example: you want to provide the service "wish list".
So we declare you the server ;-)

The server has to write a form, put it in a TB mail and sign it
with PGP. He then sends this mail containing the signed form to
all clients (all those subscribers of this list willing to add
to your wish list).

Each client has to fire up TB, receive this mail, check the
digital signature (using your PGP key) and then store the
form in a file with a .TBC extension, e.g. TBWISH.TBC.
The client now adds this form to his list of submission forms.
(This is where we do not succeed, so the following is
 what I think how it should work)

Now the client (e.g. me) wants to send you an entry for the
wish list. To do that I start TB and "call" your form
TBWISH.TBC. TB presents me an input window (formatted according
to your form specification) to enter my wishes and, when I press
OK, sends my input to you in a special formatted mail signed
with my PGP key.

You, the server, receive this mail, verify my digital signature
and handle the data. Because the data was automatically
formatted by the client's (my) TB, you can easily write a
program
to process the data (i.e. add my wishes to the wish list).

Because PGP was used
- I knew that this form really comes from you and not for
example
  from MS trying to steel our good ideas ;-)
- you know that the wish real was from me and can send me the
  donation for my great ideas :-)

Does this make things clearer? Now we only have to make it work
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Re: Spell Checker Oddity ?

2000-01-26 Thread Nick Andriash

On Wednesday, January 26, 2000, 10:13:28 AM, Allie Martin wrote:

 I see under the spellchecker menu, an option for automatic checking. Where's
 this autochecking option? I don't see it anywhere. :-/

Well the option is invoked if you simply choose the option off the Spell
Checker Menu, and becomes the default unless you un-check it... you'll
notice if you choose it, it puts a check mark next to it.


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Re: Spell Checker Oddity ?

2000-01-26 Thread Nick Andriash

On Tuesday, January 26, 1999, 8:54:45 AM, Nick Danger wrote:

 It's there, just quirky.  If you type Febuary you'll notice a more
 squared off underline than the usual zigzag type for misspelling. For
 those words a double right click will "auto correct".  I think there
 is also a keyboard shortcut but what it is alludes me at the moment.

Thanks Nick... always saw the bolded line, but didn't realize that double
right clicking would do the trick... such a "feature" isn't documented
anywhere. :o)



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Re: Why do I use The Bat? (was: On editors and wishlists)

2000-01-26 Thread Steve Lamb

Wednesday, January 26, 2000, 10:51:34 AM, Nico wrote:
 It does. The Bat unites all the features that other programs lack off
 under a smart interface. I always thought that would be impossible,
 since often you get cool features here and a nice interface there...
 but not all together. Well, until I found The Bat!

Except for a decent IMAP implementation...

...and seamless PGP integration...

...and external editor support...

Hmmm, all?  What was that?  ;)

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Re: PGP Bug?

2000-01-26 Thread Steve Lamb

Wednesday, January 26, 2000, 10:35:47 AM, Wolfgang wrote:
 The solution is not to put your PGP key in every message.
 That's an absolutely annoying overhead. Put it on your
 home page and add the URL to your signature.

Feh.  "Finger for PGP key."  :P


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Re: Spell Checker Oddity ?

2000-01-26 Thread Nick Danger

In Reference to "Spell Checker Oddity ?" From Nick Andriash:

 It's there, just quirky.  If you type Febuary you'll notice a more
 squared off underline than the usual zigzag type for misspelling. For
 those words a double right click will "auto correct".

NA Thanks Nick... always saw the bolded line, but didn't realize that double
NA right clicking would do the trick... such a "feature" isn't documented
NA anywhere. :o)

It's there under Spell Checking:

"- Intelligent suggestions for misspelled words - SSCE can locate
suggested replacements using either typographical (looks like) or
phonetic (sounds like) matching. Suggestions are scored by the degree
of closeness with the misspelled word, and the list of suggestions is
returned in decreasing score order. The most commonly misspelled words
are underlined by square-wave-line and can be corrected with mouse
double-click on this word"

...but kind of hidden in gobs of text!

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Re: Spell Checker Oddity ?

2000-01-26 Thread Fred Weissman

NA Thanks Nick... always saw the bolded line, but didn't realize that double
NA right clicking would do the trick... such a "feature" isn't documented
NA anywhere. :o)

 It's there under Spell Checking:

 "- Intelligent suggestions for misspelled words - SSCE can locate
 suggested replacements using either typographical (looks like) or
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 returned in decreasing score order. The most commonly misspelled words
 are underlined by square-wave-line and can be corrected with mouse
 double-click on this word"

 ...but kind of hidden in gobs of text!

"Hidden" being the operative word.  I must've read the help file for the
spell checker half a dozen times during this thread and I never -once- saw
that paragraph.

I did, however, find a number of occasions where the word "directory" is
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Re: Spell Checker Oddity ?

2000-01-26 Thread Nick Andriash

On Wednesday, January 26, 2000, 11:28:57 AM, Nick Danger wrote:

 It's there under Spell Checking:

quoted snipped

...but kind of hidden in gobs of text!

Well, I'll be darned!! I must have read that section a dozen times, and it
STILL didn't register with me!! ;o)

Thanks Nick...


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Deathwish: rearranging folders deletes files.

2000-01-26 Thread rellieb-jean

I've been trialing Bat on Win98 for a couple weeks now.  Last night I
decided to rearrange some folders in main account.  They had between 5
and 100 messages in each.  Upon moving them I noticed the strange fact
that they no longer had any messages in them - that is, all messages
had mysteriously disappeared during the move. Of course I checked the
'View' (All Messages) and had a look in Windows Explorer at the
relevant folders, and even in the BatTrash, but no, they were gone
alright.   Does anyone know what causes this and what can be done to
prevent it?   It doesn't have to happen because I have moved folders
before this without any problems in Bat.

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Re[2]: Receiving Mail Dialog

2000-01-26 Thread Keith Russell

Hello, fellow Bat-lovers.

On Wednesday, 26 January, 2000, 12:55:10 PM, Allie wrote:

AM Try going to Account|Properties|Options and uncheck the option "Sticky
AM send/fetch windows' positions".

Thanks, Allie. As usual, you came through! Looks like I'll have to do
without that option

Thanks for your suggestion, also, Tom. I'd already tried that,
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Re: Why do I use The Bat? (was: On editors and wishlists)

2000-01-26 Thread Alexander V. Kiselev

Hi there!

On 26 Jan 00, at 19:51, Nico Schirwing wrote
about "Why do I use The Bat?...":

  It's simply the best.
  Which did not respond to Tom's question.
 
 It does. The Bat unites all the features that other programs lack off
 under a smart interface. I always thought that would be impossible,
 since often you get cool features here and a nice interface there...
 but not all together. Well, until I found The Bat!

I could supply here a pretty long list of *essential* features that it doesn't 
support, but I won't. Go and read RFCs. These are in plain English. It ought to 
be even much simplier a reading for you then for me.

 You get the feeling that someone really thought about what's useful
 and what's needed. Every day I find new features and I think "how
 could I ever live without this and that?".

Actually, right now I've sometimes got a reverse feeling... that's why I'm still 
using Pegasus.

 It looks like the development still goes on. That may sound silly but
 it's very important. If you're a former Pegasus user you'll know what
 I mean... 

Nope, I do not. Have you been subscribed to PM-WIN? Just for example: 
here, on this list, only few of us have *ever* read RFCs (well, Steve, Marck, 
myself, have I forgotten anybody?). On PM-WIN, at least 20 guys are much at 
home when dealing with standards. That is, they are a bit ... err... more 
educated, that's what I wanted to say. No personal offence, please, since I've 
counted myself this time on TBUDL rather then on PM-WIN;-)

 Support doesn't mean to explain to me why things don't work or why they can't
 be implemented or why they have to be this way or that way 

in other words, they tried to tell you how all this is supposed to work judging by 
the standards;-) Now try to look at it from their point of view: the userbase of 
Pegasus is *way* larger as of now, and they are forced to answer the same 
(usually stupid, like "why it doesn't work like in LookOut?") questions over and 
over again. BTW: the reasonable wishes are implemented "on the fly"...


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Found a bug

2000-01-26 Thread Gary

Hi Group!,

  Has anyone tried this; every time I do I get a crash in TB!

If I select more than one e-mail to be forwarded, by  highlighting
several individual e-mail (using the Ctrl key), then I get "the
forward / redirect message screen", and select the "address all
addresses to the address below tab" and use browse to put in the
e-mail recipient, TB! will crash, every time, at least for me.
  

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Re: Why do I use The Bat? (was: On editors and wishlists)

2000-01-26 Thread Tom Plunket

AVK Nope, I do not. Have you been subscribed to PM-WIN? Just for example:
AVK here, on this list, only few of us have *ever* read RFCs (well, Steve, Marck, 
AVK myself, have I forgotten anybody?).

I've read and argued news-related RFCs, if that counts...  ;)


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Re: Found a bug

2000-01-26 Thread Angel

On Wednesday, January 26, 2000 at 13:46:46 ,Gary scribbled:

G   Has anyone tried this; every time I do I get a crash in TB!

G If I select more than one e-mail to be forwarded, by  highlighting
G several individual e-mail (using the Ctrl key), [snip]
The "bug" for "Redirect" was found, 1/14/00
Markus sent in a Bug Report on 1/18/00

It does this with multiple "Forwards" also? Or did you "Redirect" ?


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Re[2]: Found a bug

2000-01-26 Thread Gary

Hi Angel,

On Wednesday, January 26, 2000, 3:55:21 PM, you wrote:

G   Has anyone tried this; every time I do I get a crash in TB!

G If I select more than one e-mail to be forwarded, by  highlighting
G several individual e-mail (using the Ctrl key), [snip]
A The "bug" for "Redirect" was found, 1/14/00
A Markus sent in a Bug Report on 1/18/00

Sorry, did not know.

A It does this with multiple "Forwards" also? Or did you "Redirect" ?

Just tested it with multiple Redirect, and get the same crash as I did
using multiple "Forwards".

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Re: Found a bug

2000-01-26 Thread Angel

On Wednesday, January 26, 2000 at 14:06:55 ,Gary scribbled:

G If I select more than one e-mail to be forwarded, by  highlighting
G several individual e-mail (using the Ctrl key), [snip]

A The "bug" for "Redirect" was found, 1/14/00
A Markus sent in a Bug Report on 1/18/00

G Sorry, did not know.
No problem :D Tis a good thing you brought it back up because

G Just tested it with multiple Redirect, and get the same crash as I did
G using multiple "Forwards".
Hmmm... maybe an additional bug report needs to be sent as this occurs with "multiple 
Forwards
also. Can anyone else confirm?


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Re: Deathwish: rearranging folders deletes files.

2000-01-26 Thread Alexander V. Kiselev

Hi there!

On 27 Jan 00, at 7:15, rellieb-jean wrote
about "Deathwish: rearranging folders dele":

It's a well-known and _longstanding_ bug (all of you are warned now!): it 
happens when you drag full trays rather then individual folders. That is, to 
drag folder w/o subfolders is all right, but do not drag folders that have 
subfolders. RITs know about this. No bugreport needed, that is;-)

 I've been trialing Bat on Win98 for a couple weeks now.  Last night I
 decided to rearrange some folders in main account.  They had between 5
 and 100 messages in each.  Upon moving them I noticed the strange fact
 that they no longer had any messages in them - that is, all messages
 had mysteriously disappeared during the move. Of course I checked the
 'View' (All Messages) and had a look in Windows Explorer at the
 relevant folders, and even in the BatTrash, but no, they were gone
 alright.   Does anyone know what causes this and what can be done to
 prevent it?   It doesn't have to happen because I have moved folders
 before this without any problems in Bat.

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Re: Why do I use The Bat? (was: On editors and wishlists)

2000-01-26 Thread Alexander V. Kiselev

Hi there!

On 26 Jan 00, at 13:53, Tom Plunket wrote
about "Re: Why do I use The Bat? (was: "On":


 AVK Nope, I do not. Have you been subscribed to PM-WIN? Just for example:
 AVK here, on this list, only few of us have *ever* read RFCs (well, Steve, Marck, 
 AVK myself, have I forgotten anybody?).
 
 I've read and argued news-related RFCs, if that counts...  ;)

I ment RFCs 822 and MIME-related 2045-2049, actually. Plus maybe 1652, 
1869, 1896, 2231. Wait until RITs add newsreading;-) I've never known the 
relevant standards, since I rarely read news at all (and for _my_ needs, 
mozilla is quite all right);-)

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Re: Why do I use The Bat?

2000-01-26 Thread Nico Schirwing

Hello Steve,

 Except for a decent IMAP implementation...

I didn't try IMAP yet. What's wrong with it?

 ...and seamless PGP integration...

How much more seamless do you want it? The Bat has the best PGP
integration I ever used so far...

 ...and external editor support...

Look, I come from Pegasus. I know how a bad editor looks like. Believe
me, this here is a good one. I feel in heaven. Anyway, how do you want
that support? Jumping out to another program for editing?

 Hmmm, all?  What was that?  ;)

A surprise I guess.

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Re: Why do I use The Bat?

2000-01-26 Thread Steve Lamb

Wednesday, January 26, 2000, 4:13:38 PM, Nico wrote:
 Except for a decent IMAP implementation...

 I didn't try IMAP yet. What's wrong with it?

TB! treats IMAP as a glorified POP3 server.  IMAP is administration of
remote folders as if they are local.  Completely different design.

 ...and seamless PGP integration...

 How much more seamless do you want it? The Bat has the best PGP
 integration I ever used so far...

*cough*  I have to tell it to check the key/decrypt messages.  PMMail's is
seamless.  A signed message comes in, when I open it the status bar on the
bottom shows whether or not the key is valid.  When an encrypted message comes
in it prompts for my password and then decrypts it.  In either case, I never
see the PGP header/footer, just the body of the message.

TB!'s PGP integration compared to that is really, REALLY sloppy.

 Look, I come from Pegasus. I know how a bad editor looks like. Believe
 me, this here is a good one. I feel in heaven. Anyway, how do you want
 that support? Jumping out to another program for editing?

Yes.  Heaven to me is using the editor I want to (for me, vim) not what
they shovel on me.  I'm not at all pleased with the reflow options nor the
complete lack complex operations in an easy-to-use manner.

 Hmmm, all?  What was that?  ;)

 A surprise I guess.

I'm still waiting for a client to do it "all" correctly.

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Re: Why do I use The Bat?

2000-01-26 Thread Alexander V. Kiselev

Hi there!

On 27 Jan 00, at 1:13, Nico Schirwing wrote
about "Re: Why do I use The Bat?":

  Except for a decent IMAP implementation...
 
 I didn't try IMAP yet. What's wrong with it?

The only thing: there hardly exists any;-(

  ...and seamless PGP integration...
 
 How much more seamless do you want it? The Bat has the best PGP
 integration I ever used so far...

Hmmm QDPGP is _way_ better (IMHO);-)

 Look, I come from Pegasus. I know how a bad editor looks like. Believe
 me, this here is a good one. I feel in heaven. 

Well, when I need something more then what Pegasus' editor permits (and 
believe me, Pegasus' editor is *much* more horrible then you can only think 
about: you don't use 8bit symbols apparently -- but _I_ do... And this 
discrimination is the major point for me to look in the direction of TB, BTW), I 
use external one, linked to Pegasus via DDE capabilities of the latter. My 
preferred one is WinEdt. With TB I'm currently limited to using the internal 
one _only_.


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TB and Linux?

2000-01-26 Thread Michael Frotscher

Hello, Folks,

I  might be working with two different operating systems soon (WinNT and Linux).
Does anyone know a Linux-mailclient which is able to read the mail format of TB?
This  way  I  could  at least read my mail when working with Linux and would not
have the hassle of two completely different mail folders each containing half of
my mails...

Greetings,

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Re: Default e-mail Program?

2000-01-26 Thread Syafril Hermansyah

Hello Albert M. Afonso,

On  Thursday,  January  27,  2000  at  15:34:36  GMT  -0500 (which was
27/01/2000 3:34 GMT + 0700 my Local Time) you told to the list:

AMA   Does anyone know how to make The Bat! check to see if it is the
AMA   default e-mail program? It would always ask me, but one time I told
AMA   it not to ask anymore thinking it would automatically make itself
AMA   the default e-mail program. Is there a registry edit or ini file
AMA   somewhere to set this?

If  you're  using  Internet  Explorer,  check the setting there (under
Program  Tab),  change the default to (say) OE, then your TB! will ask
you  again. Or run other e-mail program (such OE or Netscape Messager)
if they ask set as default e-mail program, answer "yes".

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Re[2]: Why do I use The Bat? (was: On editors and wishlists)

2000-01-26 Thread tracer

Hello Tom Plunket,
On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 13:53:18 -0800 GMT your local time,
which was Thursday, January 27, 2000, 4:53:18 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Tom Plunket wrote:


AVK Nope, I do not. Have you been subscribed to PM-WIN? Just for example:
AVK here, on this list, only few of us have *ever* read RFCs (well, Steve, Marck, 
AVK myself, have I forgotten anybody?).

 I've read and argued news-related RFCs, if that counts...  ;)

I read a few as well, but I prefer to read different things and even
less discussions about them(g)


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Re: Found a bug

2000-01-26 Thread Januk Aggarwal

Hello Angel,


On  Wednesday, January 26, 2000  at  13:55:21 GMT -0800 (which was 1:55 PM where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:


 On Wednesday, January 26, 2000 at 13:46:46 ,Gary scribbled:

G   Has anyone tried this; every time I do I get a crash in TB!

G If I select more than one e-mail to be forwarded, by  highlighting
G several individual e-mail (using the Ctrl key), [snip]

 The "bug" for "Redirect" was found, 1/14/00
 Markus sent in a Bug Report on 1/18/00

 Ok, I still can't recreate this bug.  The only part I can recreate is
 that TB won't send all of them, only five and the rest stay in the
 Outbox until I use the Send button.

 It does this with multiple "Forwards" also? Or did you "Redirect" ?

 Can't recreate this either.  When I tried to forward a bunch of
 messages I just got a message with a lot of mime attached messages.
 Looks like they slipped in a nice new feature without much fanfare.
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Re: Found a bug

2000-01-26 Thread Allie Martin

On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 19:32:43 -0800, Januk Aggarwal wrote:

==8
  Can't recreate this either.  When I tried to forward a bunch of
  messages I just got a message with a lot of mime attached messages.
  Looks like they slipped in a nice new feature without much fanfare.
  :)

That's been implemented for quite some time now. :)

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Re: Found a bug

2000-01-26 Thread Januk Aggarwal

Hello Allie,


On  Wednesday, January 26, 2000  at  22:45:22 GMT  -0500 (which was 7:45 PM where I
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 That's been implemented for quite some time now. :)

 Can you tell that I don't do much forwarding? :)


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Re: Spell Checker Oddity ?

2000-01-26 Thread Nick Andriash

On Wednesday, January 26, 2000, 6:35:50 PM, Januk Aggarwal wrote:

 But that's not exactly -auto- in my mind.  Auto should mean no user
 intervention.

  Not necessarily. I think it is far better this way, since I may have
  a valid reason for typing a misspelled word in a given message. I
  can't think of a good example right now, but I'm sure you can think
  of something. :)

I usually use thes (sic) as my way of indicating a purposely misspelled
word, but I know what you mean. :o)

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Re[2]: Found a bug

2000-01-26 Thread tracer

Hello Januk Aggarwal,
On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 19:32:43 -0800 GMT your local time,
which was Thursday, January 27, 2000, 10:32:43 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Januk Aggarwal wrote:


 Hello Angel,



  Can't recreate this either.  When I tried to forward a bunch of
  messages I just got a message with a lot of mime attached messages.
  Looks like they slipped in a nice new feature without much fanfare.
  :)

maybe still under testing or incomplete?



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Re: Found a bug

2000-01-26 Thread Allie Martin

On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 19:49:29 -0800, Januk Aggarwal wrote:

==8
 That's been implemented for quite some time now. :)

  Can you tell that I don't do much forwarding? :)

I remember many versions ago complaining that I could MIME forward a
MIME attached message. This would prevent the message within a message
within a message within a message etc. etc. phenomenon that the AOL guys
perpetuate when sending around jokes.

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Re: Found a bug

2000-01-26 Thread Syafril Hermansyah

Hello Januk Aggarwal,

On  Thursday,  January  27,  2000  at  19:32:43  GMT  -0800 (which was
27/01/2000 10:32 GMT + 0700 my Local Time) you told to the list:


G   Has anyone tried this; every time I do I get a crash in TB!

G If I select more than one e-mail to be forwarded, by  highlighting
G several individual e-mail (using the Ctrl key), [snip]

 The "bug" for "Redirect" was found, 1/14/00
 Markus sent in a Bug Report on 1/18/00

JA Ok,  I still can't recreate this bug. The only part I can recreate
JA is  that TB won't send all of them, only five and the rest stay in
JA the Outbox until I use the Send button.

I just making test to redirect and forward 11 messages, no problem.

 It does this with multiple "Forwards" also? Or did you "Redirect" ?

JA Can't  recreate  this  either.  When I tried to forward a bunch of
JA messages  I  just  got  a  message  with  a  lot  of mime attached
JA messages.  Looks  like  they slipped in a nice new feature without
JA much fanfare. :)

No problem here.


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Re: Spell Checker Oddity ?

2000-01-26 Thread Januk Aggarwal

Hello Nick,


On  Wednesday, January 26, 2000  at  19:49:47 GMT -0800 (which was 7:49 PM where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:


 On Wednesday, January 26, 2000, 6:35:50 PM, Januk Aggarwal wrote:

 But that's not exactly -auto- in my mind.  Auto should mean no user
 intervention.

  Not necessarily. I think it is far better this way, since I may have
  a valid reason for typing a misspelled word in a given message. I
  can't think of a good example right now, but I'm sure you can think
  of something. :)

 I usually use thes (sic) as my way of indicating a purposely misspelled
 word,

 That's a good way of doing it, but if the "Auto" Correct option tried
 to change it on you, your "(sic)" would refer to a correctly spelled
 word.  And that might not make any sense at all... :)

 I personally don't like Auto-Correctors.  They are handy if you're
 typing fast, but what if you type something like:

 "...and, hwo are you?"
  ^^^
 Should it read, "...and, how are you?" or "...and, who are you?"

 At least if it stays hwo, it is more likely one will catch the
 mistake. If the Spell Checker forces the wrong one, it can be hard to
 find the mistake, even with a proof read. Especially in e-mail where
 tone is *extremely* important. If one asks "How are you," it is
 generally a nice friendly question, but "Who are you," can be taken
 as very offensive, in the right context.

 The way TB does it is very nice, it makes it very easy to find
 obvious mistakes.
 
 Just a little more than my two cents worth... :)

 
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Question About Filters

2000-01-26 Thread Keith Russell

Hello, fellow Bat-lovers.

  Has anyone found a straightforward way to merge filters from two
  different PCs (e.g., home and work)?

  TIA.


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Re: Found a bug

2000-01-26 Thread Januk Aggarwal

Hello Syafril,


On  Wednesday, January 26, 2000  at  11:15:25 GMT +0700 (which was 8:15 PM where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:


 I just making test to redirect and forward 11 messages, no problem.

 I think TB is exploiting a weakness of certain mail servers.  If you
 notice, when you redirect 11 messages, you get 11 connections to the
 SMTP server.  But not all servers allow multiple simultaneous
 connections by one user, so not all messages are sent immediately.
 You probably have better servers than most, and so 11 separate
 connections aren't likely to cause any trouble.
 
 As Angel had pointed out, this has been discussed before. So I'll
 refrain from typing too much more. :)

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SOT - Removing old DLL's

2000-01-26 Thread Sir Jinx!

Hello ,

I   have  two  programs  that  need  new  versions  of  mfc42.dll  and
comctl.dll.  But  I  can't  remove them in _any_ known way I tried
_everything_:  deleting,  renaming  or  cutting them didn't work. Even
from  DOS  [Norton Commander] - NOTHING HAPPENED!!! Can someone PLEASE
tell me what to do?!

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Re: Receiving Mail Dialog

2000-01-26 Thread Thomas Fernandez

Hi Keith,

On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 14:18:58 -0700GMT (27/01/2000, 05:18 +0800GMT),
Keith Russell wrote:



KR Hello, fellow Bat-lovers.

KR On Wednesday, 26 January, 2000, 12:55:10 PM, Allie wrote:

AM Try going to Account|Properties|Options and uncheck the option "Sticky
AM send/fetch windows' positions".

KR Thanks, Allie. As usual, you came through! Looks like I'll have to do
KR without that option

KR Thanks for your suggestion, also, Tom. I'd already tried that,
KR though




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Re: Found a bug

2000-01-26 Thread Syafril Hermansyah

Hello Januk Aggarwal,

On  Thursday,  January  27,  2000  at  21:49:42  GMT  -0800 (which was
27/01/2000 12:49 GMT + 0700 my Local Time) you told to the list:

 I just making test to redirect and forward 11 messages, no problem.

JA I  think  TB  is exploiting a weakness of certain mail servers. If
JA you  notice, when you redirect 11 messages, you get 11 connections
JA to   the   SMTP   server.  But  not  all  servers  allow  multiple
JA simultaneous connections by one user, so not all messages are sent
JA immediately. You probably have better servers than most, and so 11
JA separate connections aren't likely to cause any trouble.

Perhaps you right, but the O/S might be related too.
Anyone  who use NT Workstation having same problem (I am using Windows
2000 Professional now).
 

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Re: TB and Linux?

2000-01-26 Thread Oleg Zalyalov

Hello, the Bat! list recipients,

Thursday, January 27, 2000, Michael Frotscher wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] about
TB and Linux?:

MF I  might be working with two different operating systems soon (WinNT and Linux).
MF Does anyone know a Linux-mailclient which is able to read the mail format of TB?
MF This  way  I  could  at least read my mail when working with Linux and would not
MF have the hassle of two completely different mail folders each containing half of
MF my mails...

Maybe export to unix mailbox will help you to work it around?

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