Re[2]: Multiple e mails
Hello Edward, Monday, December 11, 2000, 6:20:20 AM, you wrote: ET All very misleading... when the ET discussion list that supports the ET software ET opposes the basic premise on what ET the software is supposed to be ET doing. That's a little unfair, I think. The general content of replies to your questions has been "Here are ways to do what you want (or reasons you can't) and BTW don't send spam 'cos it's not nice" None of that's a dig against business-to-customer communications, which, in my limited experience, The Bat! handles extremely well. It's true that some list members of a more, shall we say, traditionalist disposition, might come over as a bit curmudgeonly, but don't mistake that for ranting zealotry and *certainly* don't let it mask the qualities of the product. -- Best regards, Nickmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Mutiply e mails
Hi Edward, On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 23:11:38 -0700GMT (11/12/2000, 14:11 +0800GMT), Edward Taylor wrote: ET Maybe you need to re-examine what spam is. It is not e mail to opt-in, ET targeted customers who have requested e mail about subjects they are ET interested in. When I say "spam" I meant these several emails I receive a day telling me how to get rich quick and whatever electronic gadget I should buy now, or whether I want to buy 5 million email addresses for 50 dollars (or what). No I don't. These messages are sent from freemail accounts without the sender's real name, as they have to hide behind anonymity. This is what The Bat! is not about. The Bat! is a powerful mailer for legitimate emails. There is nothing wrong with having hundreds of customers you do business with, or who have requested your newsletter. However, there is indeed something wrong with sending thousands and millions of emails to people who have never heard of you (or your bogus email address which will be shut down by Yahoo an hour after you send your "e-commerce" message. (I don't know whether you fall into this category of what I call spammers; probably not, as you are using a real name.) ET This is not 1995 when the Internet was an entirely different world... Right. As long as you don't mean that spam is good. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.47 Halloween Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Mutiply e mails
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Edward, On 11 December 2000 at 22:08:11 -0700 (which was 05:08 where I live) Edward Taylor wrote and made these points: ET This issue here is overloading a mail server with the same ET addresses being posted over and over again in each e mail when you ET are mailing to a customer list. A mail server receives only one copy of a message with a large recipient list. There is a greater overhead in the initial stages of sending 2000 individual messages to the same list. It is at the second stage only that the overhead you are talking about kicks in. At the final stage (delivery), it all evens out again (when using BCC lists). ET Your personal feelings about spam appear to be shining through ET here Marck. Targeted email to a customer list, no matter how large ET it is, not spam. It is not the intent of the mail that makes it spam, but the source of the "customer list" that makes it so. Let's be clear about this. Every spammer thinks they are justified. They are not. Unsolicited email is an unacceptable practice. The spammer may have "acquired" the "customer list" in good faith from a source which claims that the names on the list have asked to be provided with information. I have a list server here which I use to mailshot the users of my software about updates and tips. They *explicitly* joined those lists, just as the members of TBUDL signed up. *That* is not spam. If all of the names on your "customer list" have explicitly joined that list by their own explicit action and not by harvesting or list purchase of *any* kind, then and *only* then is a "targeted email" *not* spam. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that this is the case and saying that I /hope/ that your intent is not spam transmission. - -- Cheers, .\\arck [Marck D. Pearlstone | Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA ] [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [ PGP Key: http://www.silverstones.com/MarckPGP.asc ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.48 Beta/11 S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOjS3kznkJKuSnc2gEQJ9LACgw6injpH/qYFyb40OmdcdjkG72ioAnjlp T7NVqo5orj6y1cf8kPCGI0Dn =Pupy -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
DEAD HORSE (was Re: bedtime)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Fusiontunes, On 11 December 2000 at 01:09:51 -0500 (which was 06:09 where I live) Fusiontunes wrote and made these points: F Dont you think your sorta wearing this out a little...?? This thread has become an unacceptable personal attack and I'm shutting it down. Take it off-list guys. - -- Cheers, .\\arck [Marck D. Pearlstone | Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA ] [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [ PGP Key: http://www.silverstones.com/MarckPGP.asc ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.48 Beta/11 S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOjS5ZDnkJKuSnc2gEQI3RgCaArpwUNElBU9+inWlCR3v79GFFD0An1HT dMq3pC9E4qJ5sNGlcnvxdXiy =ZDoN -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Help compile a gnurgh ISP list
Hello Melissa Cameron Barsic, On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 11:51:58 -0500 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, December 10, 2000, 16:51:58 (GMT+0100) (BST) my local time, Melissa Cameron Barsic wrote: MCB I thought some might be interested in the answer to this problem I MCB posted. My ISP made adjustments to help block spam, one of which was MCB not to permit people to send from any mail server other than their MCB own. So I had to change the smtp.mail.yahoo.com to mail.earthlink.net MCB and the problem is completely solved. Too bad it took them nearly a MCB week to get back to me about it... *grumble* Which ISP is this. I'm trying to compile a list of ISPs which limit your freedoms. In an ideal world I would like to set up an ISP where anything goes. People can spam, port and run freeNet servers through it. Think of a giant ISP full of Cypherpunks, crackers, spammers and people who like privacy. All hosted off a giant frigate in the atlantic where the Mafia can store their money. Well I've got to have some ambitions g But the gnurgh isp list is a real idea. OT Could we have a list of mildly offensive words we could use to express extreme distaste. I'm not sure everyone will appreciate the full effect of gnurgh. -- Jamie Dainton On Monday, December 11, 2000 at 14:48:38 The Bat! 1.48 Beta/8 Windows 98 4.10 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=sendKey 665.9238429876 - Number of the Pentium Beast -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: news lists
Hello Jan Rifkinson, On Mon, 11 Dec 2000 08:24:41 -0500 GMT your local time, which was Monday, December 11, 2000, 13:24:41 (GMT+0100) (BST) my local time, Jan Rifkinson wrote: JRIn a post time stamped re: "news lists" you wrote: Interesting variation on how time works :-) Karin IE5 is one of the worst in this respect. Plus, it has a Karin reputation for bugs. Have to agree here. Still has the best rendering engine though. -- Jamie Dainton On Monday, December 11, 2000 at 14:47:01 The Bat! 1.48 Beta/8 Windows 98 4.10 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=sendKey As a computer, I find your faith in technology amusing. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Importing a X.509 certificate...?
Hi ArekG As I remember, TB! 1.47 Halloween Edition can't import certificates from sender's address. It was fixed in some later beta (I don't remember, from which beta version), but in current version (beta/11) it works almost well. So all you need, is to upgrade to the newest beta (11) and this should resolve your problems (Specials|Add sender to Address Book Ctrl W). Thank you for your reply. I didn't read the TBBETA list because I was lacking of time and so I didn't hear of the ongoing updates. But perhaps I'll wait for v1.48 because I don't like beta's very much... So short, Beat -- Using The Bat! 1.47 Halloween Edition under Windows 95 4.0 Build 950 -- PGP public key available: Send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or get it on keyservers: 0x4E0B0777 (DH/DSS) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: smapi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello George, On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, at 16:19:10 h [GMT -0800] you wrote this about "smapi": GFS Hello The Bat, GFS GFS Well I have searched the Web home for The Bat and found no GFS reference to an smapi plug-in for The Bat. Any directional GFS pointers would be helpful. GFS GFS -- GFS Best regards, GFS George mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GFS GFS * * * === GFS Thawte authorized WOT Notary ICQ: 122492 GFS * * * === GFS GFS "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, GFS papers and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, GFS shall not be violated..." -- the Fourth Amendment to the U.S. GFS Constitution GFS GFS Nisi Defectum Haud Reficindium (If it ain't broke, don't fix it) GFS GFS Digitally signed with PGP to allow source and content GFS authentication by recipient. This sig is a "How-Not-To-Do". 6 lines of text and 16 lines of sig. And the last sentence is even untrue and was even in the messages before. Could you please consider shorten it a bit? TIA - -- Best regards, Kari Jakobi The Bat! 1.48 Beta/11 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A To obtain my PGP-Key send a message to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=PGP-KEY_REQUEST -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 7.0 Comment: Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? iQA/AwUBOjUOOwdigFw4jOv/EQJDkwCgy3g9xqxMZolvx5+OcUH6lWA9eb8AoPY1 B4q2kK2TxJDJN7vVVDFPceHk =sROT -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: smapi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Jan, On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, at 12:37:45 h [GMT -0500] you wrote this about "smapi": JRAre you a list moderator? No, I am not. JRI think I asked this question once before but don't remember the JRanswer. You did. Is only the list moderator capable of advising others? Isn't it better if the users handle as much as possible themselves? - -- Best regards, Kari Jakobi The Bat! 1.48 Beta/11 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A To obtain my PGP-Key send a message to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=PGP-KEY_REQUEST -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 7.0 Comment: Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? iQA/AwUBOjUYMgdigFw4jOv/EQKnlQCfbEEo1c0Jrk1n6uHyYqptUZAz7IcAoI4j Z2Nn0CN2fIlFkdX/DsxuV8Oe =Me+S -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: smapi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Jan, On 11 December 2000 at 12:37:45 -0500 (which was 17:37 where I live) Jan Rifkinson wrote and made these points: JRAre you a list moderator? JRI think I asked this question once before but don't remember the JRanswer. The list moderators are enumerated in the welcome messages and they are: Marck D. Pearlstone A. Curtis Martin Wolfgang Kynast I understand your point and it is part of the list rules to leave moderation to the moderators. If a member finds themselves wishing to query the content of another member's posting, they should write to the moderators at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and make their point there for the moderators to bring up. While Kari's point has validity, it is up to one of us moderators to say so. Does that clarify the issue? BTW: George, could you abbreviate a bit? (asked the pot of the kettle). - -- Cheers, .\\arck [Marck D. Pearlstone | Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA ] [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [ PGP Key: http://www.silverstones.com/MarckPGP.asc ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.48 Beta/11 S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOjUdTTnkJKuSnc2gEQL/xwCgmSoFQZYwJQ38NvnRVftKXia5uZEAn1Yy 6vgUzcUJiHUf8kMmulgT+aZS =KSb7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple e mails
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Edward! On Monday, December 11, 2000 at 7:20:20 AM you wrote: Folks...I think I just set off a firefight. Reality is that The Bat advertises as a business tool to handle large lists of e mails. Whatever your reality is .. The way I send to lists of friends and active customers without letting them know who is on the list: Put a dummy address in the "To" field (just to make it look good; could be "Just for laughs"), and the list (prepared in the address book) into the "BCC" field. Viola, as Kelly Bundy puts it. - -- Dierk Haasis PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.47 Halloween Edition Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Life is like a sewer: What you get out of it, depends on what you put into it! (Tom Lehrer) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: To further and enhance security for everybody! iQA/AwUBOjUPtvTo1oA8g8dLEQLrsACgqyw7CM4AJr2GeUD6vV8srEBPITIAn3ym clPqoURDDeBKVTlAAVuGeIcT =ijVC -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: news lists
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Karin! On Monday, December 11, 2000 at 3:29:33 AM you wrote: Opera is now spyware. See alt.privacy and alt.privacy.spyware and see also http://accs-net.com/smallfish/cydoor.htm I have no hassle believing that I have since Opera tried to clear this up ... well, maybe they are lying ... which I can't believe either. I use Opera for some years now and was never under the suggestion that they toy with their customers. Another thing: If you don't like the "adware" just register it for $ 39 - - it's worth it! - -- Dierk Haasis PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.47 Halloween Edition Windows 95 4.0 1212 C I learn each day what I need to know to do tomorrow's work. (Arnold Toynbee) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: To further and enhance security for everybody! iQA/AwUBOjUMgfTo1oA8g8dLEQL5PgCg3Ct8E4trs/89bBLZAOPJ458Z3KYAn3zr 7HSXkhCsOCzd4FfrgDIo92Do =9Rlk -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: smapi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Marck, On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, at 18:30:37 h [GMT +] you wrote this about "smapi": MDP I understand your point and it is part of the list rules to leave MDP moderation to the moderators. If a member finds themselves wishing to MDP query the content of another member's posting, they should write to MDP the moderators at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and make their point MDP there for the moderators to bring up. Yessir! I get the point, next time I will keep it low. Sorry for any inconvenience caused to anybody. MDP While Kari's point has validity, it is up to one of us moderators to MDP say so. I lost my temper but I found it and nailed it down real hard so it won't get lost anymore. ;-) - -- Best regards, Kari Jakobi The Bat! 1.48 Beta/11 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A To obtain my PGP-Key send a message to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=PGP-KEY_REQUEST -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 7.0 Comment: Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? iQA/AwUBOjUhtwdigFw4jOv/EQKzJACfeGG4WeITYiozSvHh7aUe5vTQ1OYAn2Zq MB/viFbSupf1HKpEoaEtF6M1 =0cg+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Multiple e mails
Hi Dierk Put a dummy address in the "To" field (just to make it look good; could be "Just for laughs"), and the list (prepared in the address book) into the "BCC" field. Viola, as Kelly Bundy puts it. The dummy address should be available - else you'll receive an error message from the mailer demon. If you put something like 'Just for laughs', the mail server will try to reach the following addresses, if your email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED] , [EMAIL PROTECTED] , [EMAIL PROTECTED] If these addresses exist, you've just sent your message to people that you never heard of! To avoid this, I always put something like this in the TO-field: Dear friends [EMAIL PROTECTED] (in which [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a real address that sends all received mails to /dev/null g) So short, Beat -- Using The Bat! 1.47 Halloween Edition under Windows 95 4.0 Build 950 -- PGP public key available: Send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or get it on keyservers: 0x4E0B0777 (DH/DSS) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: smapi
Hello Marck, In a post time stamped re: "smapi" you wrote: Marck I understand your point and it is part of the list rules to leave Marck moderation to the moderators. If a member finds themselves wishing to Marck query the content of another member's posting, they should write to Marck the moderators at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and make their point Marck there for the moderators to bring up. Marck While Kari's point has validity, it is up to one of us moderators to Marck say so. Marck Does that clarify the issue? Yes it does, thank you. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! 1.47 Halloween Edition PGP ID: 0x4C9CDF9D Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: duplicating messages
Hello Ming-Li, Sorry I haven't answered your questions sooner but I was considering your questions carefully. In a post time stamped re: "duplicating messages" you wrote: Ming-Li Ok, I assume you use this one to move those msgs you've replied to Ming-Li trash, right? (Why don't you do it with a auto replied msgs filter?) Well it depends. Only msgs that remain in my InBox (that are not filtered to a subject folder) that are replied to, are moved to trash. In the TB! folder for example, this would not be so. I don't really use auto reply only filter for msgs that I am replying to manually as I am doing with this one. Ming-Li I'm afraid you're not giving us your whole story, for so far I can Ming-Li hardly make sense your setup, let alone figuring out what's wrong. Ming-Li Let me requote your original post: If I've left something out I can assure you it was out of ignorance, rather than anything else for it would be foolish of me to be asking for help without providing the facts as best I know them to be. How else would a suggested solution apply if there were other considerations that weren't included in the picture? [moot] A group of msgs is deposited in my inbox. I can mark some msgs with An "answer this one" color setting with a hot key combination (thanks to Allie's suggestion). Those that are read but not marked are moved to trash. Since I began this thread, I started to make some changes to simplify my set up but, if my memory serves me here, I believe I had created a "read" filter which essentially moved any msg that was not flagged or nor parked (but was read) to trash. Ming-Li How are those "moved" to trash? (You said by the "keep for xx days" Ming-Li setting, but that doesn't make sense.) Yes it seems that I assumed that msgs that were kept past the time set in the folder properties would be sent to trash (rather than wiped) that the final wipe would be from the trash folder (after the set time frame). This works fine but I've noticed that a 2nd copy of msgs that are marked to answer is "created" moved to trash. Ming-Li Does this happen to *all* msgs marked to answer? Are those 2nd Ming-Li copies (in trash folder) have the same "answer this one" color? Yes Ming-Li When would they show up in the trash folder? (Right after you Ming-Li use the hotkey to color code those msgs in the Inbox?) Are Ming-Li those msgs marked to answer parked? Yes, there were parked msgs in the trash. I hope this helps to clarify what I was trying to do with the limited knowledge that I have. Anyway, I appreciate your taking the time to try to help me. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! 1.47 Halloween Edition PGP ID: 0x4C9CDF9D Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: OT: Re: news lists Opera
On Sunday, December 10, 2000, 10:35:56 PM, Douglas Hinds wrote: ACM It would therefore seem that if you're a registered Opera 4 ACM user, the adware is not installed. I installed version 5 on top ACM of my registered version 4. Did you do the checks AFTER you installed ver 5? DH I wonder if the same would be true for my registered version 3.6x? My understanding is that this is new with ver 5 only. ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: OT: Re: news lists Opera
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I thought I'd comment on ztrader's contribution to the list, sent on Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:18:27 -0800: ACM It would therefore seem that if you're a registered Opera 4 ACM user, the adware is not installed. I installed version 5 on top ACM of my registered version 4. z Did you do the checks AFTER you installed ver 5? Yes I did. - -- @~@@~@ | A. Curtis Martin [List Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA] | | PGPKey: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey | @_@ (Opinions given are mine and not those of RITLABS) @_@ 'File not found. Should I fake it? (Y/N)' __ TB! v1.48 Beta/11 | Windows NT 5.00.2195 (Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for sender verification. iQA/AwUBOjVchVfJ62ArBxfiEQJXQQCfZKRNi3iWvDb+Xgi07FNH7tLVk0kAn1y0 +tBaLlcjdxPZ+yuPTBj0Fzzb =G3Pz -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
any way to turn THESE off???
Hi, I was wondering if there are ways to turn the following OFF automatically: 1) In Mail Dispatcher, reset READ and RECEIVE to be OFF upon start (instead of pressing SHIFT 1 2) 2) In Edit Mail Message, Auto-Format (SHIT-CTRL-F) OFF by default. thx! -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: any way to turn THESE off???
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Allen, On 12 December 2000 at 19:29:01 -0500 (which was 00:29 where I live) Allen Liou wrote and made these points: AL 1) In Mail Dispatcher, reset READ and RECEIVE to be OFF upon start AL (instead of pressing SHIFT 1 2) I don't know about this one but ... AL 2) In Edit Mail Message, Auto-Format (SHIT-CTRL-F) OFF by default. This is covered in Editor Preferences which you can get from the main menu or from the editor context menu (right click). - -- Cheers, .\\arck [Marck D. Pearlstone | Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA ] [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [ PGP Key: http://www.silverstones.com/MarckPGP.asc ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.48 Beta/11 S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOjV2JTnkJKuSnc2gEQJjGACg5UQDkWyZ0v6/ipTyXOG8uoBnJvUAniLd GUY2yqxElXAKapdki9jaeipV =T8vP -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: OT: Re: news lists Opera
On Monday, December 11, 2000, 3:00:21 PM, A. Curtis Martin wrote: ACM It would therefore seem that if you're a registered Opera 4 ACM user, the adware is not installed. I installed version 5 on ACM top of my registered version 4. z Did you do the checks AFTER you installed ver 5? ACM Yes I did. Good news. Perhaps they really don't do a full spyware install if you are already registered. Can anyone verify that they don't contact the 'registration server' during the install? Thanks, ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: OT: Re: news lists Opera
Hello ztrader other fellow TB! Users following this thread, Sunday, December 10, 2000, you stated: z Opera is now spyware. To which Allie responded: ACM It would therefore seem that if you're a registered Opera 4 ACM user, the adware is not installed. I installed version 5 on top ACM of my registered version 4. Then I asked: DH I wonder if the same would be true for my registered version 3.6x? Meaning, whether the ads go away on installing version 5 on top of my registered version 3.6x. However, you replied z My understanding is that this is new with ver 5 only. You mean the ads. But I meant the behavior (no ads if installed over a registered Opera 4 - or maybe earlier). However, at this point I believe that I'd have to pay for an upgrade in order to get rid of the ads. In any case, I think I'll wait for the next version (the one that hopefully corrects the current Opera 5's bugs). Now - to tie this in w/ TB!: When I double click on an url contained in a message, Opera opens (if closed) and navigates there (either way). DH -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: smapi
Hello Kari, Monday, December 11, 2000, 9:26:20 AM, you wrote: KJ -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- KJ Hash: SHA1 KJ Hello George, KJ On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, at 16:19:10 h [GMT -0800] KJ you wrote this about "smapi": GFS Hello The Bat, GFS GFS Well I have searched the Web home for The Bat and found no GFS reference to an smapi plug-in for The Bat. Any directional GFS pointers would be helpful. GFS GFS -- GFS Best regards, GFS George mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GFS GFS * * * === GFS Thawte authorized WOT Notary ICQ: 122492 GFS * * * === GFS GFS "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, GFS papers and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, GFS shall not be violated..." -- the Fourth Amendment to the U.S. GFS Constitution GFS GFS Nisi Defectum Haud Reficindium (If it ain't broke, don't fix it) GFS GFS Digitally signed with PGP to allow source and content GFS authentication by recipient. KJ This sig is a "How-Not-To-Do". 6 lines of text and 16 lines of sig. KJ And the last sentence is even untrue and was even in the messages KJ before. KJ Could you please consider shorten it a bit? TIA No, and how rude of you to think you are in any position to suggest you have the right or obligation to sensor my taste in writing. That Bat has great filters, please put them to use. -- Best regards, Georgemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: smapi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi George, On 12 December 2000 at 18:26:11 -0800 (which was 02:26 where I live) George F. Schoelles wrote and made these points: GFS No, and how rude of you to think you are in any position to GFS suggest you have the right or obligation to sensor my taste in GFS writing. That Bat has great filters, please put them to use. Kari has already been told off for taking on the role of the moderator *by* the moderator (IOW me!). His comments were not rude but were a constructive and reasonably (given linguistic constraints) polite request. Your response, however, breaks *three* list rules: 1) making comments of a personal nature 2) over-quoting and finally 3) taking on the job of the moderator, just as Kari did in the first place. In which society do two wrongs ever make a right? Please review the list rules you received when you joined this list and try to observe them more closely for the future. If you have a problem with a list member, take it off list or ask a moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] to handle it. TBUDL is not the forum for personal squabbles. - -- Cheers, .\\arck [Marck D. Pearlstone | Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA ] [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [ PGP Key: http://www.silverstones.com/MarckPGP.asc ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.48 Beta/11 S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOjWTCDnkJKuSnc2gEQJWxwCdEdpNVwdMJ92OInndO6NTnx0uzXAAoKO8 h11SNNitOf88GPvoliqoa8jf =w6FV -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: smapi
Hello Marck, Monday, December 11, 2000, 6:52:55 PM, you wrote: MDP -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- MDP Hash: SHA1 MDP Hi George, MDP On 12 December 2000 at 18:26:11 -0800 (which was 02:26 where I MDP live) George F. Schoelles wrote and made these points: GFS No, and how rude of you to think you are in any position to GFS suggest you have the right or obligation to sensor my taste in GFS writing. That Bat has great filters, please put them to use. MDP Kari has already been told off for taking on the role of the moderator MDP *by* the moderator (IOW me!). His comments were not rude but were a MDP constructive and reasonably (given linguistic constraints) polite MDP request. MDP Your response, however, breaks *three* list rules: 1) making comments MDP of a personal nature 2) over-quoting and finally 3) taking on the job MDP of the moderator, just as Kari did in the first place. In which MDP society do two wrongs ever make a right? MDP Please review the list rules you received when you joined this list MDP and try to observe them more closely for the future. MDP If you have a problem with a list member, take it off list or ask a MDP moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] to handle it. TBUDL is not MDP the forum for personal squabbles. MDP - -- MDP Cheers, MDP .\\arck MDP MDP [Marck D. Pearlstone | Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA ] MDP [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] MDP [ PGP Key: http://www.silverstones.com/MarckPGP.asc ] MDP [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] MDP MDP TB! v1.48 Beta/11 S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 MDP -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- MDP Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured MDP Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness MDP iQA/AwUBOjWTCDnkJKuSnc2gEQJWxwCdEdpNVwdMJ92OInndO6NTnx0uzXAAoKO8 MDP h11SNNitOf88GPvoliqoa8jf MDP =w6FV MDP -END PGP SIGNATURE- I did not see the moderators response until to late. Sorry... -- Best regards, Georgemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: any way to turn THESE off???
Hi Allen, On Mon, 11 Dec 2000 19:29:01 -0500GMT (12/12/2000, 08:29 +0800GMT), Allen Liou wrote: AL 1) In Mail Dispatcher, reset READ and RECEIVE to be OFF upon start AL (instead of pressing SHIFT 1 2) It's not Read (imp., rhymes with reed) but Read (past tense, rhymes with red): shortcoming of the English language. The tickmark merely indicates that the message has been read already. Unticking it means you reset the message to New (= unread - past participle). Receive is marked when a message is new. If you have read/received it already, it is not marked. It is the normal thing to want to receive a message that you have not read yet, that's why they made it the default. I don't think it can be changed so that a new message will not be received. AL 2) In Edit Mail Message, Auto-Format (SHIT-CTRL-F) OFF by default. Marck already replied to this. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.47 Halloween Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
