Re: The whole "Re[2]" fiasco
Saturday, September 15, 2001, 11:51:17 AM, Silviu Cojocaru wrote: > - -- > Excuse my english. I went to US public school. H... ouch good one. :) At any rate, I agree. Proprietary email apps seem misguided to TheBat users (and we're right), but TheBat doesn't necessarily need to be a rebel. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re[2]: PIM/e-mail solution
Hello Douglas You wrote On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, at 20:43:54 [GMT -0600] (12:43 Australian Eastern Time,Saturday): > I use EccoPro from Netmanage (an Israeli firm), > which decided to quit developing for it & sell it the rights to it > (meanwhile, they do claim to support it), which is the only > inconvenient thing about it at present. The last version is a > couple of years old but it was ahead of the pack at the time. I tried the URL, received "Cannot find server or DNS Error". Any other link at all? -- Regards John Phillips Sydney, Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED] HTML mail & spam not welcome. Bat! 1.53d Windows 98 4.10 Build ASony Vaio Notebook PCG-505TS Pentium 300 64meg ram Another dream that failed. There's nothing sadder. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: PIM/e-mail solution
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi John, On 16 September 2001 at 18:51:54 +1000 (which was 09:51 where I live) John Phillips wrote to Douglas Hinds and made these points: >> I use EccoPro from Netmanage (an Israeli firm), >> which decided to quit developing for it & sell it the rights to it >> (meanwhile, they do claim to support it), which is the only >> inconvenient thing about it at present. The last version is a >> couple of years old but it was ahead of the pack at the time. JP> I tried the URL, received "Cannot find server or DNS Error". Any JP> other link at all? There's a '.' missing before the 'com'. Anyway, having visited the site the only mention of EccoPro is that it is no longer available and that is it essentially unsupported. You can't download it or purchase it. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / . SB! v1.53s/iKey1000- on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 . -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: GPG Sealed for freshness iD8DBQE7pGpdOeQkq5KdzaARAq23AJ44W0nPyJFhVv1v9JhnvL2IRRpW/wCg7CC4 iqpBAm56i/6SbYMFlaZvQhM= =1Mo3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re[2]: spell checker
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greetings Dierk On 15 September 2001 at 15:29:29 +0200 (which was 14:29 where I live) Dierk Haasis wrote DH> Yes, and I am just testing. Do you see the word "clicking" above? I had DH> a typo in it - "clickingb", it was underlined normally, but when I DH> called up the context menu I had only one word to choose from. That is correct. I get the same. DH> Could that have anything to do with any option in the spell checker DH> dialogue? I have checked case-sensitive, Auto-correct, Typographical DH> suggestions, Suggest split words and Fast, less accurate. Although I DH> just found out that TB! had set that back to its default Middle some DH> time ago. Doing an RTFM. · Intelligent suggestions for misspelled words - SSCE can locate suggested replacements using either typographical (looks like) or phonetic (sounds like) matching. Suggestions are scored by the degree of closeness to the misspelled word, and the list of suggestions is returned in decreasing score order. The most commonly misspelled words are underlined by square-wave-line and can be corrected with a right mouse button double-click on such words. The key here is "commonly misspelt words", 'teh' is a common misspelling whilst 'clickingb' is not. - -- TTFN, ___ David | SecureBat! 1.53s/iKey1000 | E-mailaholics | _| Win 2K Server 5.0.2195 SP2 | International | | Apathy error: Don't bother striking any key | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar 6.5.8ckt (build 06) Comment: PGP Signed, sealed, delivered. iQA/AwUBO6SEvPmK8eZlD0U0EQJsHACePafKQRqaot9GntqjFkK2dKdg1WEAoK3l gVFN3CVBPe/rfSwheLonVH9E =xVq6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: The whole 'Re[2]' fiasco
> I have looked more closely at other lists and I can see the you and > Allie are right about this. The numbered replies don't solve the > problem. And, since most mailers don't recognize Re[0-9]: as a valid "Re:" they put a "Re:" in front of it, and make the situation worse. (If we want to bash O/OE we could also point out that they remove ANYTHING before a : so that if you write your Subject as: Subject: Joe: Regarding Tuesday's meeting the reply will be Subject: Re: Regarding Tuesday's meeting but that's another rant for another list) TjL -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: spell checker
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello David! On Sunday, September 16, 2001 at 12:53:48 PM you wrote: > Doing an RTFM. Rest assured, you don't ... > The key here is "commonly misspelt words", 'teh' is a common misspelling > whilst 'clickingb' is not. In one of the messages on this issue this information was not included. Actually I remember someone writing that it works when only one suggestion is available. Thanks for clarifying! - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.54 Beta/8 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C I never criticize my friends; if they are true friends they shall be what they be. (Derek Leveret) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBO6SQv/To1oA8g8dLEQIZlACfRE1gAqrx3ex4wu/cRt4/TOwKjqsAnjJ/ o+lzlPmaX97vXLb3yBxsvXwl =DvDH -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Ctrl+P Error
Hallo Vincent, VDE> - Press Ctrl+P for printing that message without opening it VDE> further VDE> - Press Cursor / Arrow up or down: The focus gets grey and VDE> there is AFAIK no way to reanimate it ... VDE> I really hope, that some fine day this error will no longer VDE> occur ... thanx in advance. Since you're not willing (able) to use the mouse. You could use this work around: After printing: don't use an arrow-key, but press to change the window in focus, press to go back and the problem isn't there. -- Groetjes, Roelof -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re[2]: spell checker
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Dierk On 16 September 2001 at 14:44:51 +0200 (which was 13:44 where I live) Dierk Haasis graced us with these comments >> Doing an RTFM. DH> Rest assured, you don't ... I went and Read The Fine Manual. DH> In one of the messages on this issue this information was not included. DH> Actually I remember someone writing that it works when only one DH> suggestion is available. I remember that as well now that you have brought it up. DH> Thanks for clarifying! That is OK. - -- Ti2GO,___ David | SecureBat! 1.53s/iKey1000 | E-mailaholics | _| Win 2K Server 5.0.2195 SP2 | International | | Posting bad recipes is like having bad breath. | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar 6.5.8ckt (build 06) Comment: PGP Signed, sealed, delivered. iQA/AwUBO6SsxfmK8eZlD0U0EQKwcQCghDGfzdcAKUUUB8LdM+hPBeDgbVsAoMgJ uRCfzERLVv2vbn9JmQCO9bG+ =1Za9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: spell checker
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello David! On Sunday, September 16, 2001 at 3:44:31 PM you wrote: > I went and Read The Fine Manual. Sorry, got you wrong on the abbrev. ;-) - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.54 Beta/8 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Why is lemon juice made with artificial flavour, and dish washing liquid made with real lemons? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBO6Si7fTo1oA8g8dLEQKurwCgl1CWwy0n6RXnNXE40yJ4alIKleIAoMQb LBNM6VWUNQ88Ve/1oH0pBdCK =B1JH -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Moderator Team [ was Re: Sorry, mistaken message]
Hello Syafril Hermansyah, On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 at 00:45:59 GMT +0700 (which was 9/16/2001 12:45 AM where you think I live) you told to the list : [ oh my God, why another portion comes to the list... I am sorry to moderators and all list, I meant only this portion goes to the list ...] > Since lastweek, thebat.dutaint.com domain has one backup from German > Name Server (DNSServer). Since routing problem and sudden burst > traffic sometimes ago in my country, I think we need backup Name > Server so thebat.dutaint.com domain more easy to resolve around the > world. Peter Palmreuther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> kindly help us > to do this (Thanks Pit). With Peter's Server, I hope Europe and Africa > more easy to reach this list. > Intermittent Internet traffic in US after NY Attack remind me that we > also need NS backup in US region. Anyone who has run own Name (DNS) > server, live in West US and kind to help, please contact me off list. -- Best regards, - Syafril - -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Moderator Team [ was Re: Sorry, mistaken message]
Hello Dierk Haasis, On Sat, 15 Sep 2001 at 21:28:10 GMT +0200 (which was 9/16/2001 2:28 AM where you think I live) you told to the list : > Or was it another instance of a folder template gone bad? No, not Folder Template (I am not using Folder Template on my TB! at home, I am using Quick Template only and there are no %TO=...macro there, just greetings and signature because this QT is use for most English List). This is comes from Address History problem, it's happen 3 times in this week for me:-( Also problem in Clipboard I was composing 4 message, switch from one editor to others, cut and paste some words and addresses from some folders. When I send those messages, already early morning here, so I am not making recheck all of TO: and CC: addresses. -- Best regards, - Syafril - -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re[2]: Ctrl+P Error
Hi Co-Batties, VDE>> - Press Ctrl+P for printing that message without opening it VDE>> further VDE>> - Press Cursor / Arrow up or down: The focus gets grey and VDE>> there is AFAIK no way to reanimate it ... VDE>> I really hope, that some fine day this error will no longer VDE>> occur ... thanx in advance. > Since you're not willing (able) to use the mouse. You > could use this work around: After printing: don't use an > arrow-key, but press to change the window in focus, > press to go back and the problem isn't there. Yip, you're right - but anyway: Wouldn't it be nice if this error would be fixed in the next version? ;-)) Cheers, Vince -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Use of Dash ??
Fellow TB users (Especially Dierk Haasis, Marck D Pearlstone), I was going thru the mals posted and was wondering what was (if any) the significance of the usage of the dash '-' in your mails. Both of you seem to use '- --' before you name. For eg. - -- Dierk Haasis - -- Cheers Is there any significance of these dashes ??? -- Best regards, Raj mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Composed on Sunday, September 16, 2001 using TB Ver 1.53t -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Use of Dash ??
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Raj On 16 September 2001 at 20:13:40 +0530 (which was 15:43 where I live) Raj emanated these words of wisdom R> I was going thru the mals posted and was wondering what was (if any) the R> significance of the usage of the dash '-' in your mails. R> Both of you seem to use '- --' before you name. And any other PGP user. In a PGP signed message, PGP modifies the cut mark to have a preceding dash and space, i.e. - --- - -- Best regards, ___ David | SecureBat! 1.53s/iKey1000 | E-mailaholics | _| Win 2K Server 5.0.2195 SP2 | International | | Define "Sanity"?..Don't ask me I'm a Woman!!! | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar 6.5.8ckt (build 06) Comment: PGP Signed, sealed, delivered. iQA/AwUBO6S8VfmK8eZlD0U0EQJn9ACgmBFD8lIZtNKK1C1aG3N1CQ+LBBEAoKVN w7FUF12OuiuHMl4E5B2Bfp1g =QPwo -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: PIM/e-mail solution
Hello Marck & others on this TB! list & following this thread, Sunday, September 16, 2001, you anwered John's query regarding my suggestion relative to a "PIM/e-mail solution": >>> I use EccoPro from Netmanage (an Israeli firm), >>> which decided to quit developing for it & sell it the rights to it >>> (meanwhile, they do claim to support it), which is the only >>> inconvenient thing about it at present. The last version is a >>> couple of years old but it was ahead of the pack at the time. JP>> I tried the URL, received "Cannot find server or DNS Error". Any JP>> other link at all? MDP> There's a '.' missing before the 'com'. Sorry about that. MDP> Anyway, having visited the site the only mention of EccoPro is MDP> that it is no longer available and that is it essentially MDP> unsupported. You can't download it or purchase it. Marck, Unless you have actually been in contact with NetManage, I suggest that *your* statement is less than fully supported. [Written last] (I just went to the Netmanage & discovered that quite a bit of support IS still available, which is described below). I made it clear that the firm was no longer developing for it and that I had been told by them that they would continue to support it until the rights to it were sold. I suggested contacting Netmanage and continue to do so. I will also do so myself regarding this issue. (See new letter to Netmanage below). I have the program and use it daily for all appointments, telephone calls and follow up, as well as document management (the dynamic links allow that). As I said, Ecco was at the top of it's class at the time, a Pioneer in the field and I consider their decision to limit their focus to PC-to-Host Solutions, Host Publishing Solutions, Server-Based Thin Client Solutions, Live Interactive Support & Web-to-Host Solutions to be a corporate error that could be taken advantage of by others, if the Netmanage's price for the code is not excessively high. They also dropped their email client package (Z-Mail) & their web browser (WebCrawler, as fast or faster than Opera) in what they evidently felt was an overcrowded market. Below is the letter I just sent them (Ann Christmas is the last Netmanage person to contact me): Dear Ms. Christmas: I continue to use EccoPro and in fact have recommended it to others, based on the statement you made below and EccoPro's own positive qualities which include it's ability to be used with other software programs. I assume the rights to EccoPro have not been sold to date. Is that likely to occur any time soon? What are Netmanage's terms for EccoPro? Is EccoPro still available as a software product? If so, where? If not, does Netmanage have any objections to it's being provided free of charge by a third party to those interested in trying it? Please note that I am writing to you from a different email address than our last correspondence, although that address too will reach me. Thank you for your attention. Best regards, Douglas Hinds, Dir. Gral. - CeDeCoR, A.C. Their website shows this support level for Ecco. 4 Self help, Web only information provided. No development support. However, that doesn't jive with the following, so I'll be in contact w/ them shortly. I'm pasting in there last response below, sent AFTER Ecco was removed from most of their website: Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 09:08:42 -0500 From: Ann Christmas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: EccoPro To: Douglas Hinds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Mailer: Z-Mail Pro 6.2, NetManage Inc. [ZM62_16H] X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mr Hinds, we are still selling and supporting ecco to our customers. We will continue to sell and support ecco until we find a new owner for the product. We are moving in a different direction to better the company and we decided that ecco was not a beneficial product to our movement. We apologize for any inconvenience to our customers. But as a CEO and professional I am sure you understand about progress and change. If you need further information please let us know. Thank You for your concern. Ann Christmas From: Douglas Hinds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: EccoPro Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 19:52:43 -0600 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sirs: As a registered EccoPro owner and user, I need to know what became of the program. That is, whether the PIM was sold and whether NetManage is still supporting it (even if no further versions are under development), etc. For me, dropping it was a mistake, but that was Avi's decision, mistaken or not. In any case, I consider NetManage's responsibility for the product to be still current, and expect a reply, in order to determine what my next course of action will be, in terms of my time, contact and document administration needs, as well as any other measures of a public nature I deem pertinent, re
Re: PIM/e-mail solution
Hello John & others on this TB! list & following this thread, Sunday, September 16, 2001, you stated regarding my suggestion for a PIM/e-mail solution: >> I use EccoPro from Netmanage (an Israeli firm), >> which decided to quit developing for it & sell it the rights to it >> (meanwhile, they do claim to support it), which is the only >> inconvenient thing about it at present. The last version is a >> couple of years old but it was ahead of the pack at the time. JP> I tried the URL, received "Cannot find server or DNS Error". Any other link at JP> all? My apologies for leaving out the "." between netmanage & com (I must have been tired). Please see my response to Marck P. re further recourse, which I am pursuing & will be reporting on again later. One relevant point is that after deciding to focus other types of software products & before removing it from their web site, they were giving it away free of charge. Therefore, my suggestion to pursue this avenue is highly likely to be valid and they may be more than happy to let me provide you with a copy, if they don't do so themselves. Douglas -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
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This is a test. This is only a test... please do not reply. This is a test of the emergency Angel email system. B ee e eep This has been a test of the emergency Angel email system. Angel, in cooperation with the people who manage this list, has derived this test to ensure complete accuracy of her email settings and make sure her otherwise absent brain hasn't gone haywire. Had this been a real emergency, Angel would not have conducted this test but would have gotten-the-heck-outta-dodge and emailed y'all laterwell, emailed y'all somehow anyways ;) We now return you to your regularly scheduled banter. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re[2]: PIM/e-mail solution
Hello Douglas, On Friday, September 14, 2001 20:43:54 [ -0600 GMT], you wrote the following in regards to 'PIM/e-mail solution': Douglas> I use EccoPro from Netmanage Douglas> (an Israeli firm), Douglas> which decided to quit developing for it & Douglas> sell it the rights to it (meanwhile, they Douglas> do claim to support it), which is the only Douglas> inconvenient thing about it at present. Douglas> The last version is a couple of years old Douglas> but it was ahead of the pack at the time. I've been using this program for years. It's served me well. BTW, there is also a very strong & supportive group that resides @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eccopro -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.54 Beta/7/W2K_SP2/PGP Key ID: 0x3F14A060 ICQ 41116329 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re[2]: spell checker
Hello Dierk Haasis On Sunday, September 16, 2001 you wrote: >> I went and Read The Fine Manual. > Sorry, got you wrong on the abbrev. ;-) Yep. Everybody knows that it is "Friendly Manual". ;-) regards, -- /\_/\ Anything is good and useful if it's made of chocolate. (~o o~) )'Y'( __ ( ) / Jacek Wojaczynski The Bat! 1.54 Beta/8 under Windows 95 \ -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: spell checker
Hello David, On Sunday, September 16, 2001 at 11:53 GMT +0100, a creature mimicking David Elliott [DE] wrote: DE> The key here is "commonly misspelt words", 'teh' is a common misspelling DE> whilst 'clickingb' is not. There is a dictionary with auto-correct words. You can add/remove entries to suit your needs. On my system, it is the correct.tlx dictionary that has the auto-correct words, but it looks like you can add words to any dictionary. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/8 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A This almost blank page was intentional. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
