Re: As if we didn't have ENOUGH problems with ISPs...
Hello Jan! On Sunday, July 28, 2002 at 3:36:14 AM you wrote: My goodness, what is RIT Labs thinking? They're nuts if they don't put a stop to this. Huh? Should they forbid people (in this case marketers) to evaluate their opportunities? The same arguments we have to use TB! apply to them. Should that mean RITLabs should take out all the good stuff, include some bad stuff just to make it harder to write e-mails because some folks e-mail spam? It's a bit like outlawing chef's knifes because they could be used to murder ones spouse. -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.61 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Alle wollen nur mein Bestes, aber genau das will ich behalten. (Aleks Papst) Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Skipping parts not interesting
Hello Adam, Speaking of which, what proportion of folks do skip threads entirely on such basis? Versus reading all mail. I do. I'd be curious. And I wonder too what ya do with threads with a bunch of Unread status indicators, sort of glaring at you. And liable to pull you back towards them depending how you're advancing to new mail. In general I Shift+Ctrl+M to mark the whole thread as read. For example, I'm not interested at all in PGP or antivirus plugins for TB. So, if the word PGP is in the subject, or AVP, or NOD, or NAV, etc Shift+Ctrl+M. If from the subject I can't tell at first glance, I may read the first message or two. If not interested, I Shif+Ctrl+M and mark the messages as Ignored. That is, assign to Ignore Colour Group (light gray), and add the subject to my Ignore filter, which marks the messages as Read and Ignored as they come in. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.60c Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Skipping parts not interesting
Hello Arjan, I think it is the duty of every subscriber to read every message that is being potsted on TBUDL. Do you read the whole newspaper everyday or just those news/articles whose headlines catch your attention? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.60c Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re[2]: Norton Anti Virus 2001 and TheBat
Hello Sudip, SP Things are not that self-explanatory. You still have to change your SP TB! settings to route the incoming mails through NAV's POPROXY module. SP See my message: [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I never once had to do that. I only turned on email scanning in NAV and it worked. Never had to do anything to TB. (I'm referring to NAV 2001 and prior.) 2002 is even simpler than that. Love it. :) SP Why does it get annoying? If you mean the dialog box that pop's up on SP outbound mail scanning, there's an option, in later builds, to turn it SP off. Yep, that's what I was suggesting he do. Scanning outbound mail is, to me, redundant, assuming NAV is doing its job in the first place, and that stupid splash/banner (which cannot be turned off if the outbound scanning is on) drives me crazy (I get/send a lot of email). Best regards, KurganMailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Skipping parts not interesting
Hallo Arjan, On Sun, 28 Jul 2002 03:56:08 +0200GMT (28-7-02, 3:56 +0200GMT, where I live), you wrote: AdG I think it is the duty of every subscriber to read every message AdG that is being potsted on TBUDL. If only to avoid the possibility Well, that explains why you can be found posting messages in the middle of the night. ;-) -- Groetjes, Roelof Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Skipping parts not interesting
Hallo Adam, On Sat, 27 Jul 2002 22:01:46 -0230GMT (28-7-02, 2:31 +0200GMT, where I live), you wrote: A Speaking of which, what proportion of folks do skip threads A entirely on such basis? I do. I've got a very limited amount of time, that I'd prefer not to spend on subjects that don't interest me or questions that have been answered adequately. Since Ctrl-Shift-M can be pressed with one hand, it's hardly a problem to mark whole threads unread. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: As if we didn't have ENOUGH problems with ISPs...
Hi Dierk, On Sun, 28 Jul 2002 08:19:52 +0200 GMT (Jul 28, 12:04 my local time), you [DH] wrote DH It's a bit like outlawing chef's knifes because they could be used DH to murder ones spouse. or the cliché Guns don't kill, people do -- Cheers, Sudip For PM:- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sudip Pokhrel Kathmandu-NP PGP Key ID: 0xD93F5185 http://pgpkeys.mit.edu -- Sys Info -- Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 (Build 2600 ) H/W: Pentium IV 1.6 Ghz|256MB RAM|40GB HDD [Opera 6.04, Agnitum Outpost Pro Firewall] -==- A good pun is it's own reword Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Skipping parts not interesting
Hi Adam, on Sat, 27 Jul 2002 22:01:46 -0230GMT (28.07.02, 02:31 +0200GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : A what proportion of folks do skip threads entirely on such basis? Versus A reading all mail. I sometimes have to. When I haven't had the time to read the lists for one or even two days and there are 150 or more unread messages. A I'd be curious. And I wonder too what ya do with threads with a bunch A of Unread status indicators, sort of glaring at you. And liable to A pull you back towards them depending how you're advancing to new mail. I mark them read (shift+ctrl+M) and go to next unread. -- Cheers Peter PGP-Key: http://www.meynsweb.com/public-key.txt Winamp currently playing: - silence - Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Norton Anti Virus 2001 and TheBat
Hi Kurgan, On Sat, 27 Jul 2002 22:45:44 -0500 GMT (Jul 28, 09:30 my local time), you [KLc] wrote KLc I never once had to do that. I only turned on email scanning in KLc NAV and it worked. Never had to do anything to TB. (I'm referring KLc to NAV 2001 and prior.) I find that incredulous ! AFAIK, NAV 2001 configures OE and Eudora automatically but not others, certainly not TB!. Are you sure, your mails were(are) being routed through POPROXY? It's NAV 2002 that scans the default POP and SMTP ports, thereby eliminating the need to configure a MUA. -- Cheers, Sudip For PM:- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sudip Pokhrel Kathmandu-NP PGP Key ID: 0xD93F5185 http://pgpkeys.mit.edu -- Sys Info -- Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 (Build 2600 ) H/W: Pentium IV 1.6 Ghz|256MB RAM|40GB HDD [Opera 6.04, Agnitum Outpost Pro Firewall] -==- Disneyland: A people trap operated by a mouse Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Skipping parts not interesting
Hello Adam, On Sunday, July 28, 2002 at 2:31:46 AM you [A] wrote (at least in part): A Speaking of which, what proportion of folks do skip threads entirely A on such basis? Me. For example. If there's a thread I'm absolutely not interested in I do remember the subject (most times) and if there are unread messages in that thread I mark the whole thread read. Why reading 20+ mail, aggregated over night, if they deal with a topic I'm not interested in? In my daily newspaper I skip the sports pages; Because I'm not interested in. If I had a choice I'd leave them out in the exemplar delivered to me, but I haven't. Same with mailing lists: I have no choice to say: Hey, this thread: not to me., so I have to mark them read. If this one list would be the only one I'm reading: OK, maybe I'd 'invest' the time and read nevertheless. But I'm subscribed to several lists, not only TB!, but technical stuff needed for my work, etc. So why 'wasting' my time with reading mails of no interest for me? There are enough mails left to be read, even without this few :-) -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1) Einatmen - Ausatmen - Einatmen - Ausatmen - ...242! Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Skipping parts not interesting
Hello Arjan, On Sunday, July 28, 2002 at 3:56:08 AM you [AdG] wrote (at least in part): AdG I think it is the duty of every subscriber to read every message AdG that is being potsted on TBUDL. No. Simply No. Period. Nowhere is written I'm in duty to read every mail coming through this list. And I think you'll find few people agreeing with you on this opinion here. AdG If only to avoid the possibility of posing a very silly question AdG about a subject that has just been discussed extensively on the AdG List (adding, deleting or changing e-mail headers springs to AdG mind.). 1.) I'm one of the 'more advanced' users, so I do post really seldom a question but more often give answers. 2.) There's an archive. If I _really_ would have a question I'm able to search the archive (first my private one, than the online archive) if this topic was already handled. And this method is quite more useful than reading every mail, simply because chances are high you don't remember a very specific topic that was handled 3 months ago only because you've read the mails regarding to it. So a search in archives is obligatory. Now if the search can't be avoided to be sure, why flooding your brain with reading every single message you're currently _not_ interested in -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1) Reality is for those too scared of computer generated images... Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Creating a different Address book for other purposes
Hello TBUDL listers, I've been following the thread about anti-spam measures and I too wanted to create a separate address book for spam addresses (actually, I thought it might be handy to have Work vs Personal AB too). Yet, no matter what I did, I could not get to have two separate AB, with different lists in them: what ever corrections I'd do in one would be acarried over to the other one, so that I'd always end up having two-three-four identical AB. Can any one help me please by giving methe correct step-by-step procedure to make two _independent_ ABs, please? TIA -- Best regards, Joyce mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Font size in message list window
Hello TBUDL listers, I'm finally enjoying my TB! and it's time for a few final touches... I've tried in vain to reduce the size of the font in the Message List window which seems to be a _huge_ 12 or 14 point size. I went into Options/Message List colors Fonts, changed it to 10 points... no result. I went into Preferences/System/Folders paneMessage pane... no result. What am I missing? TIA -- Best regards, Joyce mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: As if we didn't have ENOUGH problems with ISPs...
Hi Dierk. At 2:19 AM on Sunday, July 28, 2002 you wrote the following about [As if we didn't have ENOUGH problems with ISPs...]: DH Should they forbid people (in this case marketers) to DH evaluate their opportunities? Of course not. They should just make it known that they don't approve. Simple as that. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.62/Beta1/W2K_SP2 ICQ 41116329 Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re[2]: Creating a different Address book for other purposes
Hello Sergey, Sunday, July 28, 2002, 3:30:41 PM, you wrote: SU Dear Joyce, SU Sunday, July 28, 2002, 3:27:50 PM, you wrote: JS Hello TBUDL listers, JS I've been following the thread about anti-spam measures and I too wanted JS to create a separate address book for spam addresses (actually, I JS thought it might be handy to have Work vs Personal AB too). SU You can make a group in your AB (As I do) and call it spammerz :-) JS Can any one help me please by giving methe correct step-by-step JS procedure to make two _independent_ ABs, please? SU Open AB. SU Menu: New AB - enter name (SPAM for examle) SU stored in a file - enter file name ( spam) SU Ok - you have new AB called SPAM which contents are stored in spam.abd SU :-) Hello Sergey, Thanks... but that's exactly what I did, and I STILL get two identical and interdependent files! Any ideas? TIA -- Best regards, Joyce mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re[3]: Creating a different Address book for other purposes
Dear Joyce, Sunday, July 28, 2002, 4:56:28 PM, you wrote: SU Open AB. SU Menu: New AB - enter name (SPAM for examle) SU stored in a file - enter file name ( spam) JS Thanks... but that's exactly what I did, and I STILL get two JS identical and interdependent files! JS Any ideas? Strange... I just have made new AB - it is independent. You are sure, that files for two AB are different? Because when i made new AB (test) and when it asks for filename - set spam - i have situation described by you. -- Best regards, Sergey Uvarov mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TheBat version :1.62/Beta1, Running at NT 5.0, Build 2195 Service Pack 2. Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
OT - AB for spammers
Dear Joyce, Sunday, July 28, 2002, 4:56:28 PM, you wrote: JS I've been following the thread about anti-spam measures and I too wanted JS to create a separate address book for spam addresses I do not think, that it is good idea. I have very few cases when spam address is the same. Most of spam have unique address. Some hints: 1.) spam letters often contains 4-5 digits in subject. 2.) often you address is not listed in TO: field :-) (It is the case for maillist - so you can make AB group of allowed recipients like you address, TB UDL and others.) 3.) often spam letters have X-Authentication warning in cludges -- Best regards, Sergey Uvarov mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TheBat version :1.62/Beta1, Running at NT 5.0, Build 2195 Service Pack 2. Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re[4]: Creating a different Address book for other purposes
Hello Sergey, Sunday, July 28, 2002, 4:00:13 PM, you wrote: SU Strange... I just have made new AB - it is independent. SU You are sure, that files for two AB are different? SU Because when i made new AB (test) and when it asks for filename - set spam SU - i have situation described by you. OK, I *think* I found what's wrong... When I choose open address book I actually SEE the three different files: The Bat!, Spamz, and Test; *BUT*, no matter *what* I choose, what comes up is an Ab called Personal Address Book-1. Does that give you any hint? 'coz I don't have any... TIA -- Best regards, Joyce mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re[5]: Creating a different Address book for other purposes
Dear Joyce, Sunday, July 28, 2002, 5:23:52 PM, you wrote: JS OK, I *think* I found what's wrong... JS When I choose open address book I actually SEE the three different JS files: The Bat!, Spamz, and Test; *BUT*, no matter *what* I choose, JS what comes up is an Ab called Personal Address Book-1. JS Does that give you any hint? 'coz I don't have any... I am too. I am tried to reproduce you situation - no success. Only thing that I have - after playing with filenames and AB names - when I open AB with filename spam - i saw test :-). And its contents is different from those that i have before deleting AB spam :-). Ideas: TheBat caches contents of AB - so even you change something - it does not mean that you will see changes :-). Maybe restart will helps. Delete and Open all AB: The Bat!, Spamz, and Test (files are not deleted actually - at least until TB is running) and check name of AB and filename. -- Best regards, Sergey Uvarov mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TheBat version :1.62/Beta1, Running at NT 5.0, Build 2195 Service Pack 2. Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: OT - AB for spammers
On Sun, 2002-07-28 at 09:09, Sergey Uvarov wrote: JS I've been following the thread about anti-spam measures and I too wanted JS to create a separate address book for spam addresses I do not think, that it is good idea. I have very few cases when spam address is the same. Most of spam have unique address. Some hints: 1.) spam letters often contains 4-5 digits in subject. Most cases yes, or a large number of spaces before that, which would probably be easier to match on. 2.) often you address is not listed in TO: field :-) (It is the case for maillist - so you can make AB group of allowed recipients like you address, TB UDL and others.) Which is why you create your filters in a particular order like this: 1 - High useage lists 2 - Other lists 3 - Common contacts 4 - Most other contacts 5 - Spam filter 3.) often spam letters have X-Authentication warning in cludges I've never seen this header before in any of the same... how common is if for you? I get nearly 70-160 spam a day. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re[2]: OT - AB for spammers
Dear Jonathan, Sunday, July 28, 2002, 4:33:08 PM, you wrote: JA Which is why you create your filters in a particular order like this: JA 1 - High useage lists JA 2 - Other lists JA 3 - Common contacts JA 4 - Most other contacts JA 5 - Spam filter Yes, something like this. 3.) often spam letters have X-Authentication warning in cludges JA I've never seen this header before in any of the same... how common is JA if for you? I get nearly 70-160 spam a day. 8-). At my experience this string appears when somebody use massmailer or not properly configured mailserver (exceptions: TB registration, mail from some online shops). You can try to see this string bu Ctrl-Shift-K. -- Best regards, Sergey Uvarov mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TheBat version :1.62/Beta1, Running at NT 5.0, Build 2195 Service Pack 2. Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: As if we didn't have ENOUGH problems with ISPs...
Dear Art, Sunday, July 28, 2002, 12:03:01 AM, you wrote: Only one question: Is spam prohibited by law? :-). Until not - all measures like filtering by ISP are illegal :-). Only thing is legal - filtering on receiver side- it is your mail and you can do with it what you want. P.S. As i know - you can not skip ads at the beginning of DVD film. Or I am wrong. -- Best regards, Sergey Uvarov mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TheBat version :1.62/Beta1, Running at NT 5.0, Build 2195 Service Pack 2. Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: that annyoing beep
Hello Rick, On Sun, 28 Jul 2002 08:10:26 -0400 GMT (28/07/02, 19:10 +0700 GMT), Rick Reumann wrote: RR For example I think myrealbox.com is down right now Excerpt from Myrealbox' message dd 19. July to all subscribers: [...] We will therefore take the weekend of July 27 and 28 to upgrade our servers with newer and faster hardware. Please do not expect to be able to login to your account during the weekend of July 27 and 28. While we do not expect the downtime to be more than 10 hours, it is safe to assume there will be additional service interruption [...] -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Skipping parts not interesting
Hello Miguel, On Sun, 28 Jul 2002 08:52:53 +0200 GMT (28/07/02, 13:52 +0700 GMT), Miguel A. Urech wrote: MAU That is, assign to Ignore Colour Group (light gray), and add the MAU subject to my Ignore filter, which marks the messages as Read and MAU Ignored as they come in. Doesn't that add up to a huge filter over time? Or do you weed out old ignore-subjects sometimes? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Black holes are where God divided by zero. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Font size in message list window
Hello Joyce, On Sunday, July 28, 2002 at 3:21:34 PM you [JS] wrote (at least in part): JS I went into Options/Message List colors Fonts, changed it to 10 JS points... no result. That's strange, because this's it. This setting is for _message_ list in preview or folder view mode. JS I went into Preferences/System/ These are for JS Folders pane folder tree font JS Message pane message _HEADER_ pane font (the information shown between message list and message itself). So your first thought should be the solution. Try changing it to something 'extreme' like 'Tahoma Regular 20' and see if something happens and you've just not noticed the change in first place. -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1) Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day ... Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: As if we didn't have ENOUGH problems with ISPs...
Hi Sergey, On Sun, 28 Jul 2002, at 17:05:08 [GMT +0200] (16:05 where I live) you wrote: SU Dear Art, SU Sunday, July 28, 2002, 12:03:01 AM, you wrote: SU Only one question: Is spam prohibited by law? :-). SU Until not - all measures like filtering by ISP are illegal :-). Wrong ANy ISP's mail servers (indeed any mail server) is the property of an organisation and they are well within their rights to accept or deny any traffic as they see fit. If they want to use SPEWS or any other filter list then its up to them - its their property and their bandwidth they are using. SU Only thing is legal - filtering on receiver side- it is your mail and SU you can do with it what you want. Wrong Look through your ISP's AUP and there will be quite stringent restrictions on what you can do with mail SU P.S. As i know - you can not skip ads at the beginning of DVD film. SU Or I am wrong. Wrong Skipping ads at the beginning of a DVD is a technical issue. (Spot the person who works administering mail servers!) A -- 28 July 2002, 16:10 [ Adam Rykala : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] [ [new-wales] project : www.new-wales.net ] [ Private key : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] They say that you are put on earth to accomplish a certain amount of things. Right now I am so far behind... I'll never die... All messages both into and out of this account have been scanned with AntiVir's Antivirus Mail Gateway for Linux. However, all attachments should be scanned also with a virus checker at the receiver's end to ensure that the files are clean and free of virus infection. All messages are for the attention of the recipient only. Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re[2]: Font size in message list window
Hello Peter, Sunday, July 28, 2002, 5:13:14 PM, you wrote: JS I went into Options/Message List colors Fonts, changed it to 10 JS points... no result. PP That's strange, because this's it. This setting is for _message_ list PP in preview or folder view mode. PP So your first thought should be the solution. PP Try changing it to something 'extreme' like 'Tahoma Regular 20' and PP see if something happens and you've just not noticed the change in PP first place. Thank YOU!!! I think I literally *unstuck* the feature! Because *after* doing the 20 point number, suddenly the font agreed to reduce itself to what I wanted. Phew!! It was sooo annoying having those billboard-size list. Thanks again -- Best regards, Joyce mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: As if we didn't have ENOUGH problems with ISPs...
Hello Sergey, On Sunday, July 28, 2002 at 5:05:08 PM you [SU] wrote (at least in part): SU Only one question: Is spam prohibited by law? :-). Spam in general? In Germany some kind of 'Spam' is prohibited ... unfortunately not E-Mail-Spam per se. At least not as 'Spam', only from a commercial point of view you can be judged if you practice UCE and therefor engage an 'advantage in business' over your competitor. Really complex thing. SU Until not - all measures like filtering by ISP are illegal :-). Not per se. SU Only thing is legal - filtering on receiver side- it is your mail and SU you can do with it what you want. No. Because it might be 'your e-mail' (albeit I'm not sure about the possession on an e-mail, especially _before_ you receive it; it might be still possession of sender), BUT: you're using infra structure of your ISP. He offers the ability to receive mail through _his_ technical devices. And if he decides to take care of possible abuse of his infra structure you can't prohibit this. If you loose important and valuable e-mail because you didn't know of this 'protection' you might be able to charge him because you could not take action of informing the sender when sending important things. Emphasis: you _might_. You can use your role as customer to make him thinking about his practice by telling him it's inacceptable your mail being dropped and if he continues _his_ spam filters you have to change to somebody not doing so, but you can't prohibit him trying to protect his infrastructure. For the same reason you can't judge him for installing a firewall and enforcing you using his proxy for security reason, IF you don't have a contract that tells explicitly about free and complete access to internet. In that case you can of course claim an unfiltered, unblocked access, else you'Ve to life with maybe blocked connections (e.g. firewall blocking connections unusual port) or other 'side effects'. SU P.S. As i know - you can not skip ads at the beginning of DVD film. SU Or I am wrong. You can't. Because DVD format tells you don't have access before Root-menu is loaded ... Except you're able to 'Stop' or 'Eject' the DVD. But if your player would be able to call Root-menu directly no one could blame you. Because this _IS_ your DVD and you can do whatever you want with it (except copyright issues and so on). You can eat it, you can throw it through your room, you can paint on it; what ever you like to do. You can even nail it to your wall and start to smile every time you stand in front of it. You _possess_ this DVD. You don't possess the infra structure of your ISP, you're leasing _it's use_, not even 'itself'. P.S.: If there're small inaccuracies in my accomplishments that don't turn the overall meaning by 180° please excuse them, I'm don't had a study of justice :-) -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1) Blessed are the censors, for they shall inhibit the earth. Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Font size in message list window
Hello Joyce, On Sun, 28 Jul 2002 15:21:34 +0200 GMT (28/07/02, 20:21 +0700 GMT), Joyce Sala wrote: JS I've tried in vain to reduce the size of the font in the Message List JS window which seems to be a _huge_ 12 or 14 point size. JS What am I missing? Options / Message List Colours and Font ... / Font. One comment here: I had to look around quite a bit, as there are several places where to change fonts. For the editor you have to use one menu path, for the folder list another, and for the message list another altogether. Additional access to all these functionalities under a single menu item Fonts... (maybe in the Options menu) would indeed make sense. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re[2]: As if we didn't have ENOUGH problems with ISPs...
Dear Adam, Sunday, July 28, 2002, 5:13:14 PM, you wrote: SU Only one question: Is spam prohibited by law? :-). SU Until not - all measures like filtering by ISP are illegal :-). AR Wrong AR ANy ISP's mail servers (indeed any mail server) is the property of an AR organisation and they are well within their rights to accept or deny any AR traffic as they see fit. AR If they want to use SPEWS or any other filter list then its up to them - its AR their property and their bandwidth they are using. SU Only thing is legal - filtering on receiver side- it is your mail and SU you can do with it what you want. AR Wrong AR Look through your ISP's AUP and there will be quite stringent restrictions on AR what you can do with mail OK. I know it. But there is one problem. Just imagine - mail office - Friday - person see a lot of mail to deliver and decide - i am tired - and he throw all mail to the trashcan :-). You lose important mail just because person who send it use suspicious e-mail client (or something else, Big Brother is watching you ):-). Next Step of spammers will be setting as X-Sender newest version of OE Express :-). What ISP will do with it? Filtering by X-Sender is a dead way. And who will be loosers in this battle - I know - TB! users :-) SU P.S. As i know - you can not skip ads at the beginning of DVD film. SU Or I am wrong. AR Wrong AR Skipping ads at the beginning of a DVD is a technical issue. But it is spam :-). I bought film, not ads :-). Other words - spamming is just technical issue too :-). -- Best regards, Sergey Uvarov mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TheBat version :1.62/Beta1, Running at NT 5.0, Build 2195 Service Pack 2. Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Re[2]: OT - AB for spammers
On Sun, 2002-07-28 at 09:41, Sergey Uvarov wrote: 3.) often spam letters have X-Authentication warning in cludges JA I've never seen this header before in any of the same... how common is JA if for you? I get nearly 70-160 spam a day. 8-). At my experience this string appears when somebody use massmailer or not properly configured mailserver (exceptions: TB registration, mail from some online shops). You can try to see this string bu Ctrl-Shift-K. I know how to show the headers/source ;) I'm just saying... I've never seen it in any of the spam I have got, and I often look at the headers to make modifications on the mail server, to see if I can force a block on that range, as most seem to come from the chinanet ISP, but unfortunately they bounce through another relay first. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re[3]: Norton Anti Virus 2001 and TheBat
Saturday, July 27, 2002, 8:45:44 PM, you wrote: KLc Yep, that's what I was suggesting he do. Scanning KLc outbound mail is, to me, redundant, assuming NAV is KLc doing its job in the first place, and that stupid KLc splash/banner (which cannot be turned off if the KLc outbound scanning is on) drives me crazy (I get/send KLc a lot of email). One suspects that it does it so the recipient can see the 'scanned virus free by Norton' note that it puts in the email, but that's pointless too, since you have to open the mail to read it. Symantec has been spending too much time with MS methinks shrug Lynn -- 1.60q on Win2kPro SP2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re[6]: Creating a different Address book for other purposes
Hello Sergey, Sunday, July 28, 2002, 4:30:02 PM, you wrote: SU Ideas: SU TheBat caches contents of AB - so even you change something - it does SU not mean that you will see changes :-). Maybe restart will helps. SU Delete and Open all AB: The Bat!, Spamz, and Test (files are not SU deleted actually - at least until TB is running) and check name of AB SU and filename. Thanks. I'll fiddle with it along those suggestions in a day or two, as now I'm rushing a work deadline. Will keep u posted on it. Thanks again, -- Best regards, Joyce mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: As if we didn't have ENOUGH problems with ISPs...
On Sun, 2002-07-28 at 10:05, Sergey Uvarov wrote: Only one question: Is spam prohibited by law? :-). Depends where you are in the world. Many states over in the US currently have anti-spam laws in place, which a lot of spammers like to flaunt, and say they comply to them, stating invalid references to acts that don't exist. Until not - all measures like filtering by ISP are illegal :-). Read your ISPs AUP. They provide a service to you, and expect you to follow some rules they setup, if they say sending UCE is against the policies, they can do whatever they like. Plus there have been numerous cases over here in the US where Spam itself isn't particularly illegal in one state, but a system administrator took a certain person to court for wasting his time having to deal with spam instead of his usual work. He won! ;) Only thing is legal - filtering on receiver side- it is your mail and you can do with it what you want. Most ISPs don't actually filter mail anyway, too much work for them to do. They may impose some basic filtering to stop some open relaying etc, but most don't filter spam... if they did, I wouldn't get quite as much spam as I do now ;) Another point would be that some people enjoy getting 'adult spam' purely for... well... if I have to explain that, I think this would be a useless point. If ISPs started blocking that kind of spam, a lot of people on subscribed adult lists may get a little upset. P.S. As i know - you can not skip ads at the beginning of DVD film. Or I am wrong. You can here, but you cannot skip over the FBI Legal copyright warning saying you cannot copy or sell this DVD. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Re[2]: As if we didn't have ENOUGH problems with ISPs...
On Sun, 2002-07-28 at 10:36, Sergey Uvarov wrote: OK. I know it. But there is one problem. Just imagine - mail office - Friday - person see a lot of mail to deliver and decide - i am tired - and he throw all mail to the trashcan :-). Then he is in the wrong job and should be fired ;) Reckless abandon with somebody else's e/mail should result in the removal of you from your role in the company. Next Step of spammers will be setting as X-Sender newest version of OE Express :-). What ISP will do with it? Filtering by X-Sender is a dead way. And who will be loosers in this battle - I know - TB! users :-) X-Sender isn't the header you're thinking of... I believe you're thinking of X-Mailer aren't you? X-Sender is often used to tack the real sender in if the address in the from is actually different depending on the types of services. Mailing lists often use it. But I do agree, that header field needs more careful investigation if you're filtering via it, not just picking up on some program that has mass-mailer capabilities... I can write a VBA script in about an hour (little rusty, so it'd probably take that long to pick it back up) that can make Outlook (not OE) do exactly the same thing that TB!s mass-mailer does. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
:-). I've made a mistake.
Dear Jonathan, Sunday, July 28, 2002, 5:59:09 PM, you wrote: JA X-Sender isn't the header you're thinking of... I believe you're JA thinking of X-Mailer aren't you? Yes. I have made a mistake :-) JA do agree, that header field needs more careful investigation if you're JA filtering via it, not just picking up on some program that has JA mass-mailer capabilities... We have talking about this here, i think. About more and more common practice of filtering messages which seems to send using TB!. -- Best regards, Sergey Uvarov mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TheBat version :1.62/Beta1, Running at NT 5.0, Build 2195 Service Pack 2. Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re[4]: OT - AB for spammers
Dear Jonathan, Sunday, July 28, 2002, 5:38:50 PM, you wrote: JA I know how to show the headers/source ;) I'm just saying... I've never JA seen it in any of the spam I have got, and I often look at the headers JA to make modifications on the mail server, to see if I can force a block JA on that range, as most seem to come from the chinanet ISP, but JA unfortunately they bounce through another relay first. So it is a specific feature of mailserver where i get some of my mail. For you case - maybe you can filter by IP address? So you will block mail from selected ISP's? -- Best regards, Sergey Uvarov mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TheBat version :1.62/Beta1, Running at NT 5.0, Build 2195 Service Pack 2. Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Re[4]: OT - AB for spammers
On Sun, 2002-07-28 at 11:14, Sergey Uvarov wrote: JA I know how to show the headers/source ;) I'm just saying... I've never JA seen it in any of the spam I have got, and I often look at the headers JA to make modifications on the mail server, to see if I can force a block JA on that range, as most seem to come from the chinanet ISP, but JA unfortunately they bounce through another relay first. So it is a specific feature of mailserver where i get some of my mail. For you case - maybe you can filter by IP address? So you will block mail from selected ISP's? Not necessarily by IP address, but I can do that if I wished. Most blocks are on domain names. As the company I work with only really deals with services to people in the US, my blocking of mail incoming from China isn't really a bad thing ;) I believe this thread is straying way off topic, and is probably best moved to TBOT. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: As if we didn't have ENOUGH problems with ISPs...
Hello Sergey, On Sun, 28 Jul 2002 17:36:03 +0200 GMT (28/07/02, 22:36 +0700 GMT), Sergey Uvarov wrote: AR Skipping ads at the beginning of a DVD is a technical issue. SU But it is spam :-). I bought film, not ads :-). No, you bought a DVD, containing ads (teasers) and a movie. Without the teasers the DVD would probably more expensive, because they would have to run the teasers (sometimes called trailers for some reason I don't understand) on more TV stations to promote the next movie. That would cost them money. The first 15-20 minutes of time I spend in a cinema consists of ads and teasers in order to keep the admission fee reasonable. But spam is something else. I get this not because it makes my online time cheaper. I get it without any benefit for me. And that annoys me. grumble -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Unkosten verursachen Polizeihunde nicht, denn sie ernaehren sich von Verbrechern. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: OT - AB for spammers
Hello Jonathan, On 28 Jul 2002 10:38:50 -0500 GMT (28/07/02, 22:38 +0700 GMT), Jonathan Angliss wrote: 3.) often spam letters have X-Authentication warning in cludges JA I know how to show the headers/source ;) I'm just saying... I've never JA seen it in any of the spam I have got, ACK. It would make things easier though... ;-) JA aas most seem to come from the chinanet ISP, I wonder by now whether chinanet or this other ISP in Brasil care... -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Mit einem Kostuemball kann man keine Tore schiessen. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: As if we didn't have ENOUGH problems with ISPs...
Hi Sergey, On Sun, 28 Jul 2002, at 17:36:03 [GMT +0200] (16:36 where I live) you wrote: SU Dear Adam, SU Sunday, July 28, 2002, 5:13:14 PM, you wrote: SU You lose important mail just because person who send it use SU suspicious e-mail client (or something else, Big Brother is watching SU you ):-). SU Next Step of spammers will be setting as X-Sender newest version of OE SU Express :-). What ISP will do with it? Filtering by X-Sender is a dead SU way. And who will be loosers in this battle - I know - TB! users :-) Then change ISP. You pay for a service - look into what you buy SU P.S. As i know - you can not skip ads at the beginning of DVD film. SU Or I am wrong. AR Wrong AR Skipping ads at the beginning of a DVD is a technical issue. SU But it is spam :-). I bought film, not ads :-). SU Other words - spamming is just technical issue too :-). Nope - those ads drive down the cost of the DVD spam just drives UP the cost of internet connections. -- 28 July 2002, 17:43 [ Adam Rykala : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] [ [new-wales] project : www.new-wales.net ] [ Private key : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Taglines--A place to dry wet tags. All messages both into and out of this account have been scanned with AntiVir's Antivirus Mail Gateway for Linux. However, all attachments should be scanned also with a virus checker at the receiver's end to ensure that the files are clean and free of virus infection. All messages are for the attention of the recipient only. Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Font size in message list window
Hello Joyce, On Sunday, July 28, 2002 at 6:44:34 PM you [JS] wrote (at least in part): JS Thank YOU!!! I think I literally *unstuck* the feature! Because JS *after* doing the 20 point number, suddenly the font agreed to JS reduce itself to what I wanted. Have I understood you correctly? After setting 20 the size shrank to 10? You might be stumbled over a bug that seems fixed in a later version, I'd suggest you visit http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/download.html and go for 1.61 and have another try. Font size should be adjusted _immediately_ after you set it and confirmed all dialog windows. -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1) I want to reach out, and when i go there... Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: As if we didn't have ENOUGH problems with ISPs...
Hello Jan, Sunday, July 28, 2002, 7:59:45 AM, you wrote: JR Of course not. They should just make it known that they JR don't approve. Simple as that. Well I haven't read re-vised TB license, but according to Marck's mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] the license has been revised. Quote: AR (David Harris's announcement of revised licensing terms for AR Pegasus Mail prohibiting its use or promotion as spamware) and AR advised him to do likewise. T This is quote a good idea. MDP Already done. Read the TB licence. The original message in this thread seems to lend itself to the promotional issue. I'm not a lawyer, but I would think you need to own TB to be in violation of the license. So if the promoter doesn't own TB, I'd say no problem with license violation. Just a thought. -- Best regards, Greg Strong TB! v1.62/Beta1 on Windows 98 PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=0xB1FE63FABody=Please20send20keys Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Skipping parts not interesting
Hi Peter. At 9:29 AM on Sunday, July 28, 2002 you wrote the following about [Skipping parts not interesting]: PK [...] It would help greatly if the opposite could be PK done: To mark interesting treads to follow in future PK (Watch). This could be done if a flag would apply to PK any future message in a tread. [/...] You could do this by changing color of msgs in that thread. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.62/Beta1/W2K_SP2 ICQ 41116329 Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
SOT: US-law (was: As if we didn't have ENOUGH problems with ISPs...)
Hello Jonathan, On Sunday, July 28, 2002 at 5:51:07 PM you [JA] wrote (at least in part): JA but a system administrator took a certain person to court for JA wasting his time having to deal with spam instead of his usual JA work. He won! ;) Only possible in the US :-) *LoL* CMIIW but weren't there a person that won a process because he/she tried to dry the cat in his/her microwave? Because in manual there was not written a cat can't be dried this way? :-))) OK, OK ... I'm really straight OT, so let's continue this on tbot :-) X-post F-up2: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=SOT:%20US-law -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1) Operator, Please Trace this call and tell me where I am. Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
DEAD HORSE (was As if we didn't have ENOUGH problems with ISPs...)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Adam, @28 July 2002, 17:44 +0100 Adam Rykala [AR] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Sergey Uvarov: AR Then change ISP. You pay for a service - look into what you buy moderator This topic has gone way off / too long and I am forced to pronounce it dead. Please take it off-list or to TBOT. For anyone unfamiliar with Dead Horse policy, DEAD means DEAD. NO REPLIES to the list, only off-list or on TBOT. Thank you. /moderator - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62/Beta1 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.1.90-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9RChWOeQkq5KdzaARAnTLAKD0qMwpSX1F4NAKAiw34hrioeVA2QCeMMV2 B2oI+ppS15pLoFfBf2Zb/RU= =fP4A -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re[2]: that annyoing beep
On Sunday, July 28, 2002, 10:21:15 AM, Thomas F. wrote: TF Excerpt from Myrealbox' message dd 19. July to all subscribers: TF [...] We will therefore take the weekend of July 27 and 28 to upgrade our servers with newer and faster hardware. Please do not expect to be able to login to your account during the weekend of July 27 and 28. While we do not expect the downtime to be more than 10 hours, it is safe to assume there will be additional service interruption TF [...] Yes, I do now remember that message, but shouldn't there be a way to still not have that beep come up? I was hoping to not have to uncheck to have that mail checked while they are doing there service (then I have to remember later to turn the checking back on). I wouldn't even mind a dialog box within the Bat saying that it couldn't connect to a server, since I understand (and would want) some notification if it wasn't connecting. When I'm not in the Bat though I hate having to deal with the beep that comes up. Occasionally servers have some temporary difficulties and it's sort of a pain to have to go and set it to not check while a temporary problem is occurring. -- Rick mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: As if we didn't have ENOUGH problems with ISPs...
Hello Sergey, On Sunday, July 28, 2002 at 5:36:03 PM you [SU] wrote (at least in part): SU Filtering by X-Sender is a dead way. And who will be loosers in SU this battle - I know - TB! users :-) [X-Sender = X-Mailer, already corrected on list] But that's no discussion point if ISP filtering for spam is illegal. Filtering for X-Mailer has to be done with the same precision and caution as filtering for 'From'. Take me for example. I administer several mail servers. And all of them carry a 'badmailfrom' file. If any of the addresses in that file is in 'Envelope-From' the mail is plainly rejected. I only have to take care what addresses are in there, else it would be simply carelessness but not illegal. Our customer we're administer the server for would cancel the contract if I put in to many addresses there, but he's thankful I _do_ put addresses there. The same with a 'badrcptto'. Everyday there's a mail to a non-existing address. One? Several! No problem ... if the bounces can be delivered. But there're some addresses reused again and again, albeit they never existed and will never exist. So a careful filled 'badrcptto' file will avoid the damn double bounces I usually get ... at least reduce them significant. Putting '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' into this file would make me loose my job, OK; but nevertheless this filter is, used carefully, a good thing. And all this applies to X-Mailer too. E.g. filtering for X-Mailer: This String with the phrase The Bat! in it was never used by an official RITLabs The Bat! release as SPAM protection, if one figured out a spam utility used this faked header is a good thing. If it really helps, or if the e.g. spelling mistake is corrected in next version of this tool is another story. The only thing BAD about the filter practise we're discussing is: An ISP filtered for 'X-Mailer' contains 'The Bat!'. This is stupid, as there at with a chance of 100% more false positives than correctly filtered mails but it doesn't make this less legal than blocking e.g. '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' as 'Envelope-From' or denying connections from IP-Address-of-a-known-open-relay-that-it-used-by-spammers. AR Skipping ads at the beginning of a DVD is a technical issue. SU But it is spam :-). I bought film, not ads :-). No. You bought a DVD. The content is mainly a film (you're interested in, else you wouldn't have bought the DVD). If you're not able to skip the ads part (which is of course intended) this is a technical issue with your player. If your player could skip: fine for you. SU Other words - spamming is just technical issue too :-). No. Spamming is using foreign resources without having requested permission. Spamming (done by others) harms me, my ISP and probably many others involved in transporting the mail. The ads on DVD don't. They cost you some seconds or minutes of time when you're nevertheless resting and taking 90 or 120 minutes of your time to see a movie. It's not the ads come 'stand alone' and you're only able to see the ads _instead_ of the movie. See it like Yahoo-Ads on e.g. TBOT. You get a mail and there's an advertisement in its footer. You get the ad while you're getting a mail nevertheless. -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1) There is no 'I' in 'team', yet there is an MVP. Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: OT - AB for spammers
Hello Thomas, On Sunday, July 28, 2002 at 6:27:54 PM you [TF] wrote (at least in part): TF I wonder by now whether chinanet or this other ISP in Brasil care... For sure they don't. Unless these mails come to their mailboxes. I do reject mails from servers listed in some black lists. The server admins for sure don't care as this is an automated process they're not involved in. The bounces generated got to addresses which are most the time non-existent, so not their issue too. If they're somehow clever they've set up their system for double bounces going to a black hole (I did and I'm quite more happy this way). So the only chance something changes is: complaining, complaining, complaining. Some days ago somebody wanted to contact us. His mail was not accepted because his ISPs mail server was listed in a RBL. He called, we checked, he complained at his ISP (a small one, so maybe this way everything was solved this fast), the ISP checked, we double checked and set him on a white list until he the server was unlisted. The ISPs MTA was not even a direct open relay, but a multi-hop open relay. He would not have noticed it if not somebody would have complained about not being able to send mail to some people. A Chinese postmaster of a server used by spammers will maybe not even take note of complaining mails like e.g. Spamcop sends. Have a look at Spamcop bounce statistics ... a lot of '@devnull.spamcop.net' addresses. But that doesn't matter as long as I don't get the spam because of blocking his server. If there's anybody using this server and has legal issues and is blocked by me he will complain at his postmaster. If the postmaster still don't care he has lost a customer (in most cases), because everybody that got hit in the past by our RBL understood our setup. IF he wanted to contact use normally and not by sending spam. -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1) What do you call a fifteen year old girl coming on to the vice president? `Quayle-bait'... Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re[2]: Norton Anti Virus 2001 and TheBat
Hello Sudip, SP I find that incredulous ! AFAIK, NAV 2001 configures OE and Eudora SP automatically but not others, certainly not TB!. Are you sure, your SP mails were(are) being routed through POPROXY? It's NAV 2002 that scans SP the default POP and SMTP ports, thereby eliminating the need to SP configure a MUA. Yes. All I did, and this is on multiple installs, so I know it's not just a glitch, was tell NAV 2000/2001 that I was using other email client. I never had to do anything to TB. And now with 2002 it does it automatically. I am very pleased with 2002's integration. Best regards, KurganMailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Skipping parts not interesting
Hello Miguel! On Sunday, July 28, 2002 at 8:56:27 AM you wrote: I think it is the duty of every subscriber to read every message that is being potsted on TBUDL. This thread for example was one I wasn't interested in from the subject. So I skipped it until I today saw Miguel's message with this citation. Due to a very tight schedule lately I just have to decide beforehand what to read and what not - other than in olden days, when I read every single message. Back to the quote above: DON'T tell me what my duties are! Never, ever. -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.61 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C There are four essential things in the world: Life, Truth, Freedom, Love. From them stems everything, and none of them is superior to the others. (Derek Leveret) Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: As if we didn't have ENOUGH problems with ISPs...
Hello Sudip! On Sunday, July 28, 2002 at 11:08:42 AM you wrote: or the cliché Guns don't kill, people do As Sledgehammer put it: It's not the guns that kill people ... it's those small round lead bullets ... -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.61 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Statistics are like bikinis: What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital. Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: As if we didn't have ENOUGH problems with ISPs...
Hi Greg. At 1:06 PM on Sunday, July 28, 2002 you wrote the following about [As if we didn't have ENOUGH problems with ISPs...]: JR Of course not. They should just make it known that they JR don't approve. Simple as that. GS Well I haven't read re-vised TB license, but according to Marck's GS mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] the license has been GS revised. Thanks for the heads up. Guess I missed that msg. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.62/Beta1/W2K_SP2 ICQ 41116329 Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Bat can't read HTML?
Hello fellow Bat! fans. I receive sometimes mail like this:- HTML BODY BGCOLOR=#AE3A52 leftmargin=0 topmargin=0 marginwidth=0 marginheight=0 link=#E8A6B2 vlink=#FAE6E8 alink=#AE3A51 text=#FF !--asiansletter_07 -- table width=560 border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 align=center !--Start Top Menu -- tr td height=14img etc. etc. Whole of the post is the same Is this a Bat! problem (being unable to read the mail) or a sender problem? -- Regards, John Phillips Sydney, Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED] HTML mail spam not welcome. Using Bat! 1.61 7BE05C47 - Being used by Windows 98 4.10 Build ASony Vaio Notebook PCG-505TS Pentium 300 64meg ram Schizophrenia beats dining alone. Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Bat can't read HTML?
On Sun, 2002-07-28 at 14:18, John Phillips wrote: Hello fellow Bat! fans. I receive sometimes mail like this:- [snip] etc. etc. Whole of the post is the same Is this a Bat! problem (being unable to read the mail) or a sender problem? Look at the headers, and check to see if it has a: Content-Type: text/html or a: Content-Type: text/plain I think you'll probably find it is the second, and it is the sender's problem. I get them all the time, and it's mainly spam where they have tried to construct an HTML message, and just pasted it over into a mail client, but when it got sent, the wrong header was set. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: SOT: US-law (was: As if we didn't have ENOUGH problems with ISPs...)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 28 Jul 2002, at 19:06:55 [GMT +0200], Peter Palmreuther wrote: PP CMIIW but weren't there a person that won a process because he/she PP tried to dry the cat in his/her microwave? Because in manual there was PP not written a cat can't be dried this way? :-))) This is a classic urban legend. Try www.snopes.com. BTW did you know that gullible is not in the dictionary? Michael A. Yetto - -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=MAY:PGP_Key E-mailed using The Bat! v1.61 running on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPURJBtkz/SR3Uv4yEQIkwACgvqiRSgEbHbaMzKZBR6+DUMq9t7sAoLEe CezrJtiQXNJ1ADRCqiO1OeQg =dqRs -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Bat can't read HTML?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, at 05:18:15 [GMT +1000], John Phillips wrote: JP Hello fellow Bat! fans. JP I receive sometimes mail like this:- JP HTML JP BODY BGCOLOR=#AE3A52 leftmargin=0 topmargin=0 marginwidth=0 marginheight=0 link=#E8A6B2 JP vlink=#FAE6E8 alink=#AE3A51 text=#FF JP !--asiansletter_07 -- JP table width=560 border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 align=center JP !--Start Top Menu -- JP tr JP td height=14img JP etc. etc. Whole of the post is the same JP Is this a Bat! problem (being unable to read the mail) or a sender problem? I don't see a head.../head in your example, which would make it an incomplete HTML file. This might be part of the problem. Michael A. Yetto - -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=MAY:PGP_Key E-mailed using The Bat! v1.61 running on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPURLkNkz/SR3Uv4yEQKgfwCg/RspJg7UhxUb1cmA/hJA/7GsbSEAn309 suRKIlDij04BzL9oHH/hGatK =HxjU -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Bat can't read HTML?
Hello Jonathan You wrote On 28 Jul 2002, at 14:29:42 [GMT -0500] (05:29:42 Monday, 29 July 2002 where I live):- Look at the headers, and check to see if it has a: Content-Type: text/html or a: Content-Type: text/plain Just has Content-Type: (blank) -- Regards, John Phillips Sydney, Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED] HTML mail spam not welcome. Using Bat! 1.61 7BE05C47 - Being used by Windows 98 4.10 Build ASony Vaio Notebook PCG-505TS Pentium 300 64meg ram Never put off till tomorrow what you can ignore entirely. Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Skipping parts not interesting
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Lynn Turriff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it is the duty of every subscriber to read every message that is being potsted on TBUDL. No. It is the right of every subscriber, but not the duty. I read the first and maybe second message of every thread, and if it goes a way that I am not interested in, I don't have an obligation to follow the thread any further. That is my privilege. Thanks, Thomas ... I'm still not sure our leg isn't being pulled here though :-) To set your mind at ease: it was not my intention to pull anyone's leg. In fact the amount of serious replies to my light-hearted advice did surprise me a bit. Maybe I should apply more of those emoticons (hate them though) in the future. Arjan -- 4.465 The logical product of a tautology and a proposition says the same thing as the proposition. This product, therefore, is identical with the proposition. For it is impossible to alter what is essential to a symbol without altering its sense. Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Norton Anti Virus 2001 and TheBat
On Sunday, July 28, 2002, 4:47:00 PM, Lynn Turriff wrote: One suspects that it does it so the recipient can see the 'scanned virus free by Norton' note that it puts in the email, but that's pointless too, since you have to open the mail to read it. I have never seen this notice - are you sure it is NAV that puts it on, and not the user? Julian -- Using The Bat! v1.60q on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: that annyoing beep
On Sunday, July 28, 2002, 6:25:09 PM, Rick Reumann wrote: Yes, I do now remember that message, but shouldn't there be a way to still not have that beep come up? I was hoping to not have to uncheck to have that mail checked while they are doing there service (then I have to remember later to turn the checking back on). I wouldn't even mind a dialog box within the Bat saying that it couldn't connect to a server, since I understand (and would want) some notification if it wasn't connecting. When I'm not in the Bat though I hate having to deal with the beep that comes up. Occasionally servers have some temporary difficulties and it's sort of a pain to have to go and set it to not check while a temporary problem is occurring. This subject has come up before, and I have the same problem from time to time. The problem seems to be that TB has a fairly short timeout of 30 seconds, which is not adjustable. My ISP struggles to respond within this timeout at peak times, so I got a lot of bleeps. As the the solution, there is not one at present, other than turning off the Windows sound for Exclamation. The longer term ones will hopefully appear in TB 2.0: either an adjustable timeout; or the ability to turn off the sound. You could always post a wish at Ritlabs. Julian -- Using The Bat! v1.60q on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re[3]: Norton Anti Virus 2001 and TheBat
Sunday, July 28, 2002, 6:40:11 PM, you wrote: KLc Hello Sudip, SP I find that incredulous ! AFAIK, NAV 2001 configures OE and Eudora SP automatically but not others, certainly not TB!. Are you sure, your SP mails were(are) being routed through POPROXY? It's NAV 2002 that scans SP the default POP and SMTP ports, thereby eliminating the need to SP configure a MUA. KLc Yes. All I did, and this is on multiple installs, so I know it's not KLc just a glitch, was tell NAV 2000/2001 that I was using other email KLc client. I never had to do anything to TB. And now with 2002 it does KLc it automatically. I am very pleased with 2002's integration. KLc Best regards, KLc KurganMailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sudip is right though - both 2000 and 2001 need manual configuration of The Bat to scan mail. I cannot see how email scanning will occur if this is not done. Both versions will still pick up viruses if the server changes are not made but this will be from the resident scanner, not from email scanning. The giveaway is the scanning envelope that appears in the system tray while retrieving mail. If it is not there in 2001, mail is not being scanned. From 2001: Norton AntiVirus recognizes and automatically configures the following email clients for protection: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.0/5.X Microsoft Outlook 97/98/2000 Netscape Messenger 4.X Eudora Light 3.0 Eudora Pro 4.0 Pegasus Mail 3.0 Becky! Internet Mail 1.26 AL-Mail32 1.11 2002 operates in a very different way and needs no changes to settings in The Bat. John Rainer Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Bat can't read HTML?
On Sun, 2002-07-28 at 14:54, John Phillips wrote: Look at the headers, and check to see if it has a: Content-Type: text/html or a: Content-Type: text/plain Just has Content-Type: (blank) Then that is your problem. The sender didn't set a content-type for TB! to understand, so automatically read it as text/plain. It is the sender's fault. If it was set to text/html, TB would have read it just fine. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Bat can't read HTML?
On Sun, 2002-07-28 at 14:52, Michael A. Yetto wrote: I don't see a head.../head in your example, which would make it an incomplete HTML file. This might be part of the problem. Won't make a difference if it was there or not. I don't think you actually need to include a head section if you don't want to, it has been a while since I've read any of the W3C's documents. The problem is resulting in the fact that TB wasn't given a header telling it that the mail was HTML, and not plain text, so it assumed plain text. Take a look at the HTML emails you do get, and look for a header like: Content-Type: text/html This tells TB that the following text is of type HTML, which makes TB read it via the HTML engine if you view the HTML portion of the message. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Skipping parts not interesting
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Peter Palmreuther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it is the duty of every subscriber to read every message that is being potsted on TBUDL. No. Simply No. Period. Nowhere is written I'm in duty to read every mail coming through this list. And I think you'll find few people agreeing with you on this opinion here. Erm.. Well, I have to admit that I wasn't _entirely_ serious. Which doesn't mean that I was entirely _not_ serious. [Snip] There's an archive. If I _really_ would have a question I'm able to search the archive (first my private one, than the online archive) if this topic was already handled. I'd do the same. And this method is quite more useful than reading every mail, simply because chances are high you don't remember a very specific topic that was handled 3 months ago only because you've read the mails regarding to it. On the other hand, reading messages that don't seem to be too interesting at first sight _can_ help you to understand certain aspects of the program better or provide you with useful information you didn't know of before. Take me for example. Just from _reading_ a lot of messages I learnt: 1) how to copy paste filters to from the clipboard. 2) how to use the AV-plug-ins. 3) that messages sent by TB! are blocked by several ISP's. So a search in archives is obligatory. Now if the search can't be avoided to be sure, why flooding your brain with reading every single message you're currently _not_ interested in To avoid further misunderstandings: my message was primarily aimed at TBUDL-subscribers who seem to have problems with the concept of reading before questioning. Like the guy who asks how to remove the X-Mailer-header whilst there is an extensive discussion about XRay in progress. Arjan -- 4.27 There For n states of affairs, there are Kn = nEv=0(n\v) possibilities of existence and non-existence. Of these states of affairs any combination can exist and the remainder not exist. Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Skipping parts not interesting
Hello Arjan, On Sunday, July 28, 2002 at 10:18:03 PM you [AdG] wrote (at least in part): AdG Maybe I should apply more of those emoticons (hate them though) AdG in the future. Maybe one would have been enough? :-=) Enough to indicate it's not meant THAT serious as it's written there :-) Look ... written speech ain't as emotional as spoken one, we all know. But there are humors somebody might understand just from coming form the same region (local 'insiders'). So on this list we have two problems: chances are high your 'insider' ain't understood, additionally somebody might misunderstood you but just being not 'safe' in English language :-) And that's where emoticons step in :-) Helping such stupid people like me understanding jokes :-) It's like viewing these fine American sit-coms: there's a artificial laugh played here and there as an indicator FOR ME knowing when to laugh too *BG* But ... quite OT, so lets transfer this to TBOT :-) -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1) After I run your program, let's make love like crazed weasels, OK? Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
default account for mailto: URLs
Hello tbudl, Will someone walk me through the meaning of the checkbox called This account is the default for mailto:; URLs? To simplify things, I have only two accounts at the moment. I've tried checking the box for one or the other, both, and none, with no apparent difference. Thanks. -- Best regards, Quin mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Need help with a Klez filter!
Hi Michael,
On Saturday, July 27, 2002 at 12:59:17 PM , Michael scibbled:
A Since I do not use NAV, I am not really sure how it works with TB! or how
A it would work with the filters suggested can someone else maybe
A elaborate for me, and give opinion on whether this would work or not?
MT NAV sits between the Mail client and the Server, examing mail as it is
MT sent recived. The send I think works as its own SMTP device.
MT I dont think NAV will support features such as filtering to folders
MT because of this, as the message attachment will never reach The BAt!
MT or any other email app, so as far as the BAT is concerd the email is
MT coming straight from the server with no scanning.
MT NAV Uses Port 3066 I think to listen for traffic and filters from
MT there.
Thank you, Michael, for your pleasant, prompt, easy to understand
explanation :)
Blessings and light,
~~~Angel
Sunday, July 28, 2002 2:54:29 PM
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Re: test, please ignore
Hello Marck, Saturday, July 27, 2002, 5:38:22 AM, you wrote: MDP Open the sorting office and click on Incoming mail. Press Ctrl-V to MDP paste. Can't do that. Doesn't work. -- Best regards, Adam Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Autoformat
Hello tbudl, is it not possible to use this feature without the constraint of double carriage return to start a new phrase then a point, as: bla bla bla. bla bla bla... and not as: bla bla bla. Bla bla bla... In a lot of times it is very bad to view. -- Best regards, Pietro mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: test, please ignore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Adam, @28 July 2002, 19:33 -0230 (23:03 UK time) Adam [A] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: MDP Open the sorting office and click on Incoming mail. Press Ctrl-V to MDP paste. A Can't do that. Okay - let's try and sort out what you're doing wrong. A Doesn't work. Does - when done in sequence g: 1) Mark text including BeginFilter and EndFilter lines. 2) If any lines have wrapped (you can tell because they don't start with a clean setting: value... format. If they don't, copy and paste the text into notepad, remove the line breaks then copy it back to the clipboard again. 3) Open up the Sorting office. 4) Open up the Incoming mail section and click on one of the existing filters in the tree. 5) Paste (using Ctrl-V). 6) Scroll to the bottom of the list of filters. There you will find a new one - the one you just pasted. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62/Beta1 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.1.90-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9RGt9OeQkq5KdzaARAlbNAJ93fMJWqZrwzaL2exjB/TbuzcCgWwCgnCt+ 1L3QaVyKt25ZRkAMFx3rG48= =DoBk -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Autoformat
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Pietro, @28 July 2002, 00:10 +0200 (23:10 UK time) Pietro Migliaccio [PM] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: PM is it not possible to use this feature without the constraint of PM double carriage return to start a new phrase then a point, as: PM bla bla bla. PM bla bla bla... ... snip PM In a lot of times it is very bad to view. Ctrl-Shift-F is your friend ;-). - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62/Beta1 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.1.90-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9RG9kOeQkq5KdzaARAnGZAKDgCiSPumgQ741/xIpaBH3EVkbptgCgy5BG 6/GulynNsMKWPSFlvGQIPnA= =Lggd -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: default account for mailto: URLs
On Sun, 2002-07-28 at 16:43, Quin Selman wrote: Will someone walk me through the meaning of the checkbox called This account is the default for mailto:; URLs? It means that if TheBat is your default mailer, and in your browser you click on a mail link (done via mailto:email address), TheBat will use the account that has that check box ticked by default. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re[2]: Skipping parts not interesting
Hi Miguel, It was Sunday, July 28, 2002, around 3:52:53 AM GMT -0300 when you wrote the following about Skipping parts not interesting: Miguel If from the subject I can't tell at first glance, I may read the first Miguel message or two. If not interested, I Shif+Ctrl+M and mark the messages Miguel as Ignored. That is, assign to Ignore Colour Group (light gray), and Miguel add the subject to my Ignore filter, which marks the messages as Read Miguel and Ignored as they come in. BTW, isn't there a feature like ignore thread in The Bat!? Something like what some newsreaders have (Netscape Messenger, for example). Using The Bat! v1.60c on Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- Regards, Evandro de Brito Sperandio Intercultural Cursos no Exterior Florianópolis - SC - Brasil Tel.: +55 48 222-7600 ext. 218 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.intercultural.com.br http://www.ccusa.com Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Skipping parts not interesting
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Arjan De Groot [ADG] wrote: ADG To avoid further misunderstandings: my message was primarily ADG aimed at TBUDL-subscribers who seem to have problems with the ADG concept of reading before questioning. Like the guy who asks how ADG to remove the X-Mailer-header whilst there is an extensive ADG discussion about XRay in progress. I'm back from my weekend trip and noted this thread rambling aimlessly along after all relevant points have been made. moderator Please end this thread here and not post further on it on list. Thanks all for your cooperation. /moderator - -- -=Allie C Martin=- List Moderator | TB! v1.61 | Windows XP Pro PGP/GPG Public Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=2B0717E2 _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.1.91 (Win32) iD8DBQE9RH+mV8nrYCsHF+IRAvhRAKCxpwm7BXW1k+vmL8QExwFOLzTZpACfRKwK 11+Wg77dSR5TCw/T0gmXV+I= =lm1N -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: No X-Mail header
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Jonathan Angliss [JA] wrote: JA Not a setting, but I believe he is using X-Ray... try reading the JA thread both on here, and TBOT (see footer details). I personally use my MailServer, MDaemon, to do it. - -- -=Allie C Martin=- List Moderator | TB! v1.61 | Windows XP Pro PGP/GPG Public Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=2B0717E2 _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.1.91 (Win32) iD8DBQE9RIAIV8nrYCsHF+IRAgh0AKDVF5Miy4L6a13miNOkfVPsNMfP1wCfbft1 g6WF0VNMNTiyveRqtLTPcLA= =EcpS -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Skipping parts not interesting
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Evandro De Brito Sperandio [EDB] wrote: EDB BTW, isn't there a feature like ignore thread in The Bat!? EDB Something like what some newsreaders have (Netscape Messenger, EDB for example). No, there isn't one. - -- -=Allie C Martin=- List Moderator | TB! v1.61 | Windows XP Pro PGP/GPG Public Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=2B0717E2 _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.1.91 (Win32) iD8DBQE9RISgV8nrYCsHF+IRAq8LAJ0fJkAu0GZ8m//+FEk97p1K9vjYBwCfSkad W63hBeSoVazWrceeiFyl/8Q= =4/Mb -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: No X-Mail header
On Sun, 2002-07-28 at 18:36, Allie C Martin wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Haha... camel? where did the camel come from? lol... wonder how my mail server managed to put that one in ;) JA Not a setting, but I believe he is using X-Ray... try reading the JA thread both on here, and TBOT (see footer details). I personally use my MailServer, MDaemon, to do it. If I was paying any attention, I'd have noticed that in your headers. Welcome back by the way -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: No X-Mail header
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Jonathan Angliss [JA] wrote: JA If I was paying any attention, I'd have noticed that in your JA headers. With MDaemon, I can adjust just a part of the header, while with X-Ray, it's an all or none adjustment, so the version number will have to manually changed with each upgrade when using X-Ray. I strip the whole header anyway. Never was really fond of it being there, though I'm a proud TB! user. :) JA Welcome back by the way Thanks. - -- -=Allie C Martin=- List Moderator | TB! v1.61 | Windows XP Pro PGP/GPG Public Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=2B0717E2 _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.1.91 (Win32) iD8DBQE9RJetV8nrYCsHF+IRAql5AKCy69gHa0C/EasSiMRoVmAHJwhcmACgobV3 yCDMfAb5JW1rIvbyDN2UhtI= =lIfi -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: No X-Mail header
On Sun, 2002-07-28 at 20:17, Allie C Martin wrote: JA If I was paying any attention, I'd have noticed that in your JA headers. With MDaemon, I can adjust just a part of the header, while with X-Ray, it's an all or none adjustment, so the version number will have to manually changed with each upgrade when using X-Ray. The header I meant was this one: Received: from dellmain by ac-martin.com with SMTP (MDaemon.Standard.v6.0.3.R) for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 20:17:55 -0500 Showing it got accepted by MDaemon ;) I made the assumption X-Ray, and thinking about it now, I remember you mentioning in the past you used MDaemon. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: No X-Mail header
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Jonathan Angliss [JA] wrote: JA The header I meant was this one: JA Received: from dellmain by ac-martin.com with SMTP JA (MDaemon.Standard.v6.0.3.R) for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, JA 28 Jul 2002 20:17:55 -0500 Yes. I know, but I'm beyond that point.:) JA Showing it got accepted by MDaemon ;) I made the assumption X-Ray, JA and thinking about it now, I remember you mentioning in the past JA you used MDaemon. I could have been using X-Ray to filter the X-Mailer header. Marck has been doing this and yet, he uses MDaemon as well. :) - -- -=Allie C Martin=- List Moderator | TB! v1.61 | Windows XP Pro PGP/GPG Public Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=2B0717E2 _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.1.91 (Win32) iD8DBQE9RJ1QV8nrYCsHF+IRAiUIAKCAxBLJG+18QshxaVb9Q9344mmRPACgryB+ 3o1ejo9pIIued0uSMMX0RsU= =mNud -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Skipping parts not interesting
Hello Allie, Sunday, July 28, 2002, 6:56:16 PM, you wrote: ACM No, there isn't one. Wish there was one. -- Best regards, Greg Strong TB! v1.62/Beta1 on Windows 98 PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=0xB1FE63FABody=Please20send20keys Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re[2]: SmartBat
Hi there, Dierk, Could you please tell me more on how you use it? I still don't get it. I have CLIPMATE which can copy anything onto the clipboard, lets me edit and print or attach. Thanks, Julius, Montreal. ] Saturday, July 27, 2002, 2:40:59 AM, you wrote: DH Hello Julius! DH On Saturday, July 27, 2002 at 5:21:46 AM you wrote: Can anyone point me to where I can learn about the real utility of SmartBat tool? DH You've already found the right place. DH SmartBat is a kind of clipboard extension to collect snippets from DH different mails (or other texts) for editing purposes. You can, for DH example, built up a collection of quotations from various mails you DH want to answer in only one reply to. You can also put in any other DH text information from different sources (through the clipboard) to DH compose a new mail body. that way you can even use external editors DH to compose a message. -- Cheers, Julius Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re[2]: Norton Anti Virus 2001 and TheBat
Sunday, July 28, 2002, 1:19:24 PM, you wrote: JBL On Sunday, July 28, 2002, 4:47:00 PM, Lynn Turriff wrote: One suspects that it does it so the recipient can see the 'scanned virus free by Norton' note that it puts in the email, but that's pointless too, since you have to open the mail to read it. JBL I have never seen this notice - are you sure it is NAV that puts it JBL on, and not the user? JBL Julian Nope - I'm using an older version; but I've seen notices on incoming mail that are being generated somewhere. I thought I had seen Norton's sign on some of them. The latest and greatest is running on my husband's machine, complete with popups and deeply buried controls. I connected the two, perhaps too quickly. I may have assumed incorrectly .. One day I'll go into the thing on his machine and see if I can get some irritating stuff turned off. If he doesn't get to it first. He doesn't do much email, so doesn't get to the hair tearing stage as quickly as I do, but if he's in the mood ... Lynn -- 1.60q on Win2kPro SP2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re[5]: Norton Anti Virus 2001 and TheBat
Sunday, July 28, 2002, 2:25:12 PM, you wrote: JR Sudip is right though - both 2000 and 2001 need manual JR configuration JR of The Bat to scan mail. I cannot see how email scanning JR will occur if JR this is not done. KLcAs I said, I *did* tell Nav that I was using an other email KLcclient, and it did scan incoming email, little envelopes in KLc the KLcsystem tray and all. What I didn't have to do was touch TB at KLc all. KLcNorton handled everything itself. All I had to do was turn KLc email KLcscanning on. That's it. :) You know it seems to me that it might depend what OS you are running .. I never had to do anything with NT, but have begun to suspect that my mail isn't being directly scanned in Win2kPro ... In NT Norton put a line in the hosts file, but he didn't put one in this one. But I never had to change TB config with NT .. Lynn -- 1.60q on Win2kPro SP2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: test, please ignore
Hello Marck! On Monday, July 29, 2002 at 12:08:59 AM you wrote: snipped for brevity's and clarity's sake Can anyone tell me - Marck, you, by any chance?! - what this all has to do with a subjects that clearly indicates I *should not* read this thread? I mean, shouldn't this either be made into a new thread (long time ago at that) or at least have another subject? This clearly is a supplementary to Arjan's question, which has been declared a DH (not Dierk Haasis, but Dead Horse). -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.61 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C If it don't kill you, it just makes you stronger. Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: SmartBat
Hello Julius! On Monday, July 29, 2002 at 5:42:59 AM you wrote: Could you please tell me more on how you use it? I still don't get it. I don't. Most of the time because I have a clipboard extender called MultipleClipboard, which offers me 10 clipboards - usually enough for me. After I have collected snippets there I paste them into TextPad or directly into the application where I need them and compose my text. I've only used SmartBat on two or three instances as a notebook, mostly for testing purposes. Since PowerPro offers a utility Notes (PostIts) I don't need SmartBat. -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.61 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Second Marriage: Another instance of the triumph of hope over experience. (Samuel Johnson) Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
