Re: TB voyager : mobile solution...

2005-02-21 Thread Allister Jenks
Tuesday, February 22, 2005, 1:48:05 AM, Mica wrote:

>> That's why God (or at least the fellows at Apple) invented the iPod.
>> :-)

MM> What's that, actually?

Essentially, a hard-disk based portable audio player.  It's something of
a phenomenon lately...

http://www.apple.com/ipod/

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Re[2]: Again, why only TB built-in filters are enough to fight all sorts of SPAM

2005-02-21 Thread Richard H. Stoddard
Mica,

Monday, February 21, 2005, 5:39:50 PM, you wrote:

MM> Okay then, less problems to solve. Tell me, do you have some friends, or
MM> business partners who do not address you properly, namely not using your
MM> full name (or a screen/nick name defined by yourself) in TO (or CC)
MM> field, but using only the address of yours?

I assume I'm like most folks: I have my friends and others in my
address book and flagged so they go to the known folder; I have
white-listed mailing lists like TBUDL; but I do receive mail that is not
spam from others who are not in my book but whom I know or were
referred to me by friends. My friends use all sorts of nicknames for
me, including only the address; I can try to "train" them, but
will have to deal with the third on a case-by-case basis.

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Re: Manual filtering problem

2005-02-21 Thread Mic Cullen
At 18:04 [GMT-0500] on Monday February 21 (actual time - 7:04am on Tuesday in
Perth, Western Australia), you wrote:

Nick> Recently moved from TB v1.63 to 2.0 and now neither of my manual
Nick> filters (hot keys) work.  Is this a bug in the new version?

Unless this is a message from LONG ago, v2 ain't 'new'. V3 has been out for a
while now, and it's got a brand-new filter system.

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Manual filtering problem

2005-02-21 Thread Nick OHare
Hi all,

Recently moved from TB v1.63 to 2.0 and now neither of my manual
filters (hot keys) work.  Is this a bug in the new version?

Thanks in advance for any suggestions, solutions.

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Re: AVG Certification Message

2005-02-21 Thread MFPA

Hi

On Monday 21 February 2005 at 5:54:51 PM, in
, Paul Stephen
wrote:

> As I stated, I have VERIFY turned on in AVG for both INCOMING and
> OUTGOING mail but nothing is added. I thought this was the OPTION but
> no verification text is added to my emails.

You actually said "certify" in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

"Verify" performs the check and "certify" adds a note about the
positive result. Presumably the message is not sent if a virus
_is_ found.

The only possible use I can see for this is for testing purposes
and I would _strongly_ urge anybody who has these ridiculous
certifications in their emails to turn them off.

> What's the "trick"?

If using the AVG plugin for TB! go to Options | Preferences |
Protection | Anti-virus

double-click "AVG Plug-in for The Bat!" on the list you find.

Remove the ticks from both boxes marked "certify mail".

Press "OK".


If using AVG's generic email scanner, open the AVG control centre
and doubleclick on email scanner then click "configure", then
remove the ticks... as above.

If you want the "certification" messages on, say for testing or
perhaps to annoy people, put those ticks back. If you click on
"details", you can customise the message (and change the language
for the bits about versions and release dates).

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Re: AVG Certification Message

2005-02-21 Thread Gerard

ON Monday, February 21, 2005, 6:54:51 PM, you wrote:
PS> What's the "trick"?

Hi Paul,

Press details on the options screen and you can add what ever you want.

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Re: selective download filter

2005-02-21 Thread Chris

rich gregory @ 2005-Feb-21 1:21:12 PM
"selective download filter" 

> I would like a selective download filter that looks for and deletes
> any mssg with " meds " (note the leading and trailing spaces) in
> both headers & bodies.

> Will the selective download filter drop the trailing (or leading)
> space if I do not specify it in some special way?

All I did was put the whole string in quotes:
" meds "

 TB! Message Filter 
beginFilter
UID: [E2BFF515.01C51842.5249C05F.25A241E0]
Name: Delete\20meds
Filter: {\0D\0A\20`6`0`\22\20meds\20\22\0D\0A}
SetColour -184288337
IsActive
endFilter

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Re: selective download filter

2005-02-21 Thread Allie
Hi rich,
 On 21/02/2005 01:21 PM, you wrote:

> I would like a selective download filter that looks for and deletes
> any mssg with " meds " (note the leading and trailing spaces) in both
> headers & bodies.
> 
> Will the selective download filter drop the trailing (or leading)
> space if I do not specify it in some special way?

You would need to specify a regular expression for that.

\smeds\s

That should do it. The \s means a space character.

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Re[2]: AVG Certification Message

2005-02-21 Thread Dick H
Hello Paul,

On Monday, February 21, 2005 at 11:54:51 GMT -0600 (which was 18:54:51
where I live), Paul Stephen wrote and made these valuable points on
the subject of "AVG Certification Message":

> Hello Dick,

> As I stated, I have VERIFY turned on in AVG for both INCOMING and
> OUTGOING mail but nothing is added. I thought this was the OPTION but
> no verification text is added to my emails.

> What's the "trick"?

I stopped using AVG more than a year ago and as far as I can remember this 
"signature" is only supported for Outlook or Outlook/Express..maybe there are 
AVG guru's here who can confirm or correct this?

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Re: More observation on Bayesit!

2005-02-21 Thread Marck D Pearlstone
Dear Barry,

@21-Feb-2005, 17:01 Barry [B] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

>>  Why not post it to this list, that way everyone who uses Bayesit can try it 
>> and
>>  you won't have to send it a dozen times.

B> I thought attachments were not allowed. Marck's slapped my wrist before!

Attachments are allowed but only up to a list maximum of 25kb. TBBETA
has a higher ceiling of 40kb.

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Re: AVG Certification Message

2005-02-21 Thread Paul Stephen
Hello Dick,

DH> This "signature" is added by the AVG system if you select the
DH> option to do so. IMHO, it's totally ridiculous to add such a
DH> signature, especially when you have no attachment added.

OK, I agree -- I just wanted to know HOW this is accomplished (for my
own amusement. )

As I stated, I have VERIFY turned on in AVG for both INCOMING and
OUTGOING mail but nothing is added. I thought this was the OPTION but
no verification text is added to my emails.

What's the "trick"?

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Re: More observation on Bayesit!

2005-02-21 Thread Roman Katzer
Hello Barry,

> I've now transcribed 83 different regex rules over to Bayesit. I extracted
> them from my copy of MailWasher.
> This seems to have made a dramatic improvement in spam catching. I've now
> reduced the spam failures from 100% (really!) to below 54% in two days.

this seems to be a great deal of work just to filter spam.
I set up K9 and had it at 95% accuracy in about a week's training. It has
improved since.

Furthermore: I never got BayesIt to work. The fact that there doesn't seem
to be documentation doesn't help. Even when the German magazine c't (highly
respected) tested several mail programs and their spam filtering
capabilities they couln't get it to work. In other tests that I've read
BayesIt seemed to always be worse than other Bayes-based competitors.

The upshot of this: "No BayesIt fo me!!11"


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Re: AVG Certification Message

2005-02-21 Thread Dick H
Hello Paul,

On Monday, February 21, 2005 at 10:19:09 GMT -0600 (which was 17:19:09
where I live), Paul Stephen wrote and made these valuable points on
the subject of "AVG Certification Message":

> I am bamboozled. I get emails from others (not necessarily using The
> Bat!) that have this string embedded:

>> No virus found in this outgoing message.
>> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
>> Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.1.0 - Release Date: 18/02/2005

> Is this text added automatically to The Bat messages or do I have to
> write my own macro to add this? (The AVG plug-in works fine.)

> In AVG 7 I have "certify" turned ON in both Incoming and Outgoing
> mail.

> I am still using Version 1.61 of The Bat!

This "signature" is added by the AVG system if you select the option to do so. 
IMHO, it's totally ridiculous to add such a signature, especially when you have 
no attachment added.

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Re: AVG Certification Message

2005-02-21 Thread Roman Katzer
On Monday, February 21, 2005, 11:19:09, Paul Stephen wrote:

> Is this text added automatically to The Bat messages or do I have to
> write my own macro to add this? (The AVG plug-in works fine.)

I wouldn't bother to add it. Nobody should rely on what a message says.
It just gives a false sense of security.

To exaggerate:
"This message contains no virus, no adware, no spyware and it isn't spam.
Run >this< attachment now. It's good for you."

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Re: More observation on Bayesit!

2005-02-21 Thread Dick H
Hello Barry,

On Monday, February 21, 2005 at 09:01:40 GMT + (which was 10:01:40
where I live), Barry wrote and made these valuable points on the
subject of "More observation on Bayesit!":

> Hi

> Well I'm still persevering!

> I've now transcribed 83 different regex rules over to Bayesit. I extracted
> them from my copy of MailWasher.

Why all these problems and hassle if Spambayes can do all the work for you with 
just a little bit of training?

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Re: More observation on Bayesit!

2005-02-21 Thread Barry
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:20:31 +, Tony Boom wrote:

> Hello Barry,
> 
>   A reminder of what Barry on TBUDL typed on:
>   21 February 2005 at 12:30:15 GMT +0100
> 
> B> You'll have to drop me a line Ron, Gmane hides your identity very well!
> 
>  Why not post it to this list, that way everyone who uses Bayesit can try it 
> and
>  you won't have to send it a dozen times.

I thought attachments were not allowed. Marck's slapped my wrist before!

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AVG Certification Message

2005-02-21 Thread Paul Stephen
I am bamboozled. I get emails from others (not necessarily using The
Bat!) that have this string embedded:

> No virus found in this outgoing message.
> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.1.0 - Release Date: 18/02/2005

Is this text added automatically to The Bat messages or do I have to
write my own macro to add this? (The AVG plug-in works fine.)

In AVG 7 I have "certify" turned ON in both Incoming and Outgoing
mail.

I am still using Version 1.61 of The Bat!

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Re: More observation on Bayesit!

2005-02-21 Thread David Calvarese
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 at 09:01:40 +, Barry wrote:

B> Hi

B> Well I'm still persevering!

B> I've now transcribed 83 different regex rules over to Bayesit. I extracted
B> them from my copy of MailWasher.

B> This seems to have made a dramatic improvement in spam catching. I've now
B> reduced the spam failures from 100% (really!) to below 54% in two days.
B> Looking at the logs it appears that the rules catch the majority of
B> offenders..

B> If anyone else would like to try my rule set let me know and I'll email the
B> file over.

I'd be happy of a copy of the ruleset.  Might see if I can apply it to
Bayes Filter as well.

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Re: TB voyager : mobile solution...

2005-02-21 Thread Gerard

ON Sunday, February 20, 2005, 6:26:09 PM, you wrote:
W> This method is usefully for me because I format often my hard Drive
W> because I do many tests. Now, I do not reinstall any more my TB each time. It
W> is in the USB key… 

Hi WilWilWil,

Why not install a second Hard drive in your system and make a multiboot system.
You can experiment until you see blue in the face but there is always a working
system waiting for you ;-)

Heck even my Thinkpad is Multiboot on a single disk.

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Re: TB voyager : mobile solution...

2005-02-21 Thread Mica Mijatovic
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 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Mon, 21 Feb 2005,
   @  @  at 17:30:45 +1300, when Allister Jenks wrote:

> That's why God (or at least the fellows at Apple) invented the iPod.
> :-)

What's that, actually?

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Re: Again, why only TB built-in filters are enough to fight all sorts of SPAM

2005-02-21 Thread Mica Mijatovic
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 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Mon, 21 Feb 2005,
   @  @  at 08:20:20 +0500, when Richard H. Stoddard wrote:

> Mica,

> Monday, February 21, 2005, 12:41:17 AM, you wrote:

MM>> Okay. Tell me first do you as well have your address on some of web
MM>> sites of yours, and if you do, in what form you have it exposed there?
MM>> Namely, what exactly "mailto:"; code/form you use?

> No, I don't have it on any public web sites. I don't have any "mail to"
> code. I have three addresses, but most of the spam comes to only one of
> them.

Okay then, less problems to solve. Tell me, do you have some friends, or
business partners who do not address you properly, namely not using your
full name (or a screen/nick name defined by yourself) in TO (or CC)
field, but using only the address of yours?

If yes, we'll tighten/tweak them a bit.

Let's work with this address you say most of spam is coming to (so we
can see the results better, and quicker).

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Re: More observation on Bayesit!

2005-02-21 Thread Tony Boom
Hello Barry,

  A reminder of what Barry on TBUDL typed on:
  21 February 2005 at 12:30:15 GMT +0100

B> You'll have to drop me a line Ron, Gmane hides your identity very well!

 Why not post it to this list, that way everyone who uses Bayesit can try it and
 you won't have to send it a dozen times.

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Re: More observation on Bayesit!

2005-02-21 Thread Barry
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 05:04:35 -0600, Ron Cameron wrote:

> Hello Barry!
 
> Send it to my email address below please.

You'll have to drop me a line Ron, Gmane hides your identity very well!

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Re: More observation on Bayesit!

2005-02-21 Thread Ron Cameron
Hello Barry!

On Monday, February 21, 2005, 3:01 AM, you wrote:

Barry> Hi


Barry> I've now transcribed 83 different regex rules over to Bayesit. I
extracted
Barry> them from my copy of MailWasher.

Barry> If anyone else would like to try my rule set let me know and I'll email
the
Barry> file over.

Send it to my email address below please.
Thank you.

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Re: More observation on Bayesit!

2005-02-21 Thread Barry
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:47:44 +0100, Gerard wrote:

> ON Monday, February 21, 2005, 10:01:40 AM, you wrote:
> B> If anyone else would like to try my rule set let me know and I'll email the
> B> file over.
> 
> Hi Barry,
> 
> I would love to try them.
> 
> How much do the slow down bayesIt?

Can you confirm your email addresses as the Gmane server confuses them...

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Re: More observation on Bayesit!

2005-02-21 Thread Gerard

ON Monday, February 21, 2005, 10:01:40 AM, you wrote:
B> If anyone else would like to try my rule set let me know and I'll email the
B> file over.

Hi Barry,

I would love to try them.

How much do the slow down bayesIt?
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Re: "Pretending" to use The Bat!

2005-02-21 Thread Carsten Thönges
* MAU writes:

> As many of you know, blaming The Bat! for spam is not an new issue. Look
> what I got yesterday:
[...]

>> Yes, hits=6.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_THEBAT,MDAEMON_SPAM_BLOCKER
>> version=2.54
>> **
>>  Start SpamAssassin results 6.50 points, 5 required; *  3.0 -- Message
>> has been marked by MDaemon's Spam Blocker *  3.5 -- Forged mail pretending to
>> be from The Bat!  End of SpamAssassin results

> Some sysadmins are just stupid. I am NOT "pretending" to use The Bat!, I
> _am_ _using_ The Bat!

As far as I know FORGET_MUA_THEBAT also checks whether the
Message-ID is TB!-like ... just to have »The Bat!« as X-Mailer is
not enough to make this rule match.

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Re: More observation on Bayesit!

2005-02-21 Thread Tony Boom
Hello Barry,

  A reminder of what Barry on TBUDL typed on:
  21 February 2005 at 10:05:26 GMT +0100

B> If anyone else would like to try my rule set let me know and I'll email the
B> file over.

 Yes please Barry.

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More observation on Bayesit!

2005-02-21 Thread Barry
Hi

Well I'm still persevering!

I've now transcribed 83 different regex rules over to Bayesit. I extracted
them from my copy of MailWasher.

This seems to have made a dramatic improvement in spam catching. I've now
reduced the spam failures from 100% (really!) to below 54% in two days.
Looking at the logs it appears that the rules catch the majority of
offenders..

If anyone else would like to try my rule set let me know and I'll email the
file over.

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Using TheBat! version 3.0.1.33
and BayesIt! 0.8.0 Release



Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html