Re[3]: ZoneAlarm Internet Security Suite
Hello Richard, Friday, October 20, 2006, 3:12:07 PM, you wrote: > Hello MikeD, > Friday, October 20, 2006, 3:21:43 PM, you wrote: M2>> Can you selectively install from the suite? It might be interesting to M2>> install just the FW and nothing else from the suite to see of that M2>> makes any difference. > Your concept was pure genius. I turned off all ISS program > segments and added them back one by one. I've isolated it to a > problem with their anti-virus segment (the reason I bought the > software in the first place). All works fine with anti-virus > turned off. Waiting to hear back from ZoneAlarm for a solution. Many anti-virus apps do many weird things to protect the Internet if your box gets zombied. They put in a proxy on port 25, or restrict what .exe files can send on port 25. The proxies on 25 yell when you try to send TLS encrypted email since they can't scan for viruses. It all really chafes my hide. A pain in the neck. -- Andrew Diederich Using Voyager v3.86.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Log files and encrypted mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Mica, Monday, October 23, 2006, 8:19:52 PM, you wrote: MM> This is what exists as a "standard" behavior of this sort of MM> "logging", and is nothing..."illegal", or an omission in the MM> design. I understand it's not illegal or a flaw; I guess I was just surprised that much detail was preserved in them. Not their fault, just my ignorance. MM> In the quite same fashion, _all_ your messages, that are not MM> encrypted, are entirely and very easily readable to practically, MM> and literally, entire Inter Net / world, in the process of the MM> transport and otherwise. That I clearly know. MM> The mail you don't want to be exposed this way, you should (keep) MM> encrypt(ed). Unfortunately, none of my family or friends use pgp/gpg. They've long since ceased asking about the headers and footers on signed messages. If the process becomes easier, maybe then they will, but they don't see the point of paying for PGP and so GnuPG is more than they are willing to deal with. In the meantime, I will at least not keep log files "lying around" in the open like that. - -- Rick -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) - GPGshell v3.52 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJFPWGpAAoJELf6ImSjvaeWeD8QAL3iCvXzIm2q51ZdXXv56t/J kgaW5mOG9duDdfnwMlF873891xgmGuZPgOo1mgL2wIsZ6O8QxrSCcR2FjzoF5+Lr LHOtXlinGC+woJTWoQrv/mBXCx/TS53RDcvNZId8foLG7UjXBjpiBvNvi4PsmYME q+RmeqljG9JsV9mSPXgVnT0OonU37dTXDz15HPQsybJB9IUXOzx/e+eN3aQb6xf0 lYkXzxcG0fMzueUMV7E2pWD2aAtR8nbQiNhK0AgFNBulbte/QRmIET7qrE2Y8P6c WigLoT96T+YyChfsxxN8c8ddq3anBCljo/yRec69jwMfejgZCUCF4TDsV0ryV45K 9/UhTK23YHhkXgeUyakiwZNU8u0qj0qH+gNwb4uEjaP1VE329BrGkiClGy8MbQJI 0I7UFLWPqfkPtomzMvJwV7w1NxYtcLnY7yF0jtp27XrM3dqbp7p0JUWEDuWjntVi uUIc73PjL319A9zoCj0ZtxgAXCwbKbiqcfn3AsPE+zzMXt6kIy6vFOxD3RUyt5ao PLlcr8nx5MCimOFA3o0weiKIgKU04r8nk85UgqBpzukTFirsKp4HOr3SJ7HiAHo1 9+WbcpxZPF+6y9OxLzpfZPAdfBLLFMr1i/6IIUi0Kb+m9mCr9LBrdfH/BGX51HZl Z9CWS6Q0D4ogxe5r73fr =B5Vv -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Account Alerts / take The Bat offline for a moment
Hello Peter, Sorry for the late reply, MS>> there is a commandline switch to tell an account not to check MS>> mail. > Is there a switch to include *all* accounts? Or do I have to add each > account by name? AFAIK not. Each account has to be included. > Anyway, this is another (probably old) part of The Bat! that I wasn't > aware of. Not so old...it came in the last round of betas before the last public release I think. Should be worked on, however. Not all account settings are included, but I'll try to find out and post them here. -- Martin TB! 3.85.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Log files and encrypted mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ***^\ ."_)~~ ~( __ _"o Was another beautiful day, Mon, 23 Oct 2006, @ @ at 18:24:29 +0500, when Richard H. Stoddard wrote: > I turned off pop logging. Out of curiosity I opened the file in > notepad, and was shocked to see that it included the text, etc., of > all of my messages. Needless to say, I immediately deleted the log > files for all of my accounts. This is what exists as a "standard" behavior of this sort of "logging", and is nothing..."illegal", or an omission in the design. In the quite same fashion, _all_ your messages, that are not encrypted, are entirely and very easily readable to practically, and literally, entire Inter Net / world, in the process of the transport and otherwise. This is the reason why encrypted mail is used, for instance, thus being some sort of envelope, so nobody else can read it save the recipient(s). Besides, fragments, or entire letters, also can be found as the parts of OS's swap file (in XP the Pagefile.sys) and can be read very easily, as an ordinary plain text, just by opening it in some a bit more advanced text editor, when the OS is not active (from an other OS, for instance, installed on another partition, disk, bootable diskette, CD...). Therefore, all the mail "by default" is treated as written on post cards, being thus open and readable to everyone. The mail you don't want to be exposed this way, you should (keep) encrypt(ed). - -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my "From" field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo & Vector ~ Wine -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6-svn-4298 <>o<> tiger192 (Cygwin/MinGW32) iQEVAwUBRTzdl7SpHvHEUtv8AQhNVAf/SpE0cFyT7PSj/GpwqoildQDl2HIzAxVY o5K5SfOkavoqrfk76fsWypjSyaAv5O739mL1BUKRpW4jy9RnGSgOBQcaOg+SwQ1X 6Gs5iuFU6VMA7jTy5mDNC4m5eafuaecuylqhmkj/3CgaJcYHCKBPv/2eCHMJlrT8 1oRbh2bK0f9q+YY0mRAdhNBoaQm9k5kqlLujYQKIN4Kq74mjwuyXcPO+SJ1wErpx e/2vNs8YWnr4unNP6NaWuDFuvBe5+KNspdadMKVDEkVOe9u8WYyxeGVO7VMF5pHu A+r43n2uSXAzL3QxtNS7Zf6QqFrG102xOkZajXNKtx6/kIyNLbJjUg== =gb3U -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Log files
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Peter, Monday, October 23, 2006, 5:14:41 PM, you wrote: PM> No. Just turn off pop logging in account properties -- transport. PM> As Roelof said, it is meant for debugging and should only be PM> enabled when there's a problem with receiving mails. I turned off pop logging. Out of curiosity I opened the file in notepad, and was shocked to see that it included the text, etc., of all of my messages. Needless to say, I immediately deleted the log files for all of my accounts. - -- Rick -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) - GPGshell v3.52 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJFPMKJAAoJELf6ImSjvaeW3mMP/04LSfkzzJANx8pi6FQQ/aXl gtnwEvMtEvJP6gc3FstU8lzOTOVyWIcPW2hxqYY38oEnX5k9djHhU/9gYaIpukIk 6kmiBbKpaPJX2WwqM03YEEnCQ5b88vgak5rGUiJAmH5vAW+h/3NyjbEERGHi5cJz KcqWaZK8FlTTV/XJ7msbUZh3bvsOCP5P4L6zwfbXc1dg2wSyvq/oEPhwZH260hLQ KYq/17Q2FoqzR+DfmhdDq4M1JDd5MZzkw3SnaBXNm1cPrD9fAGJq1KzGEFNeXisP Ql+jCMzyq4IlcDs8UrdfxFiSshYUptAmgIsMukdQw8nrcitQstzOuopo0IZh8J2O IuNToQT05fWX1HpulbzAQf6sW1qK4DPEWv31r4P9TRgfJzqf/IVrTFkuXilGKSvJ sWlaa28HAL+YSAB6Nprf9ivM8AcJzqYYZ0vjTMNeHCc4OrrNkJlzPGM1KKvN9+ma ySgEPw/Fjq7BIDA7goNza5yyfzXGa0nD9wqKIk0hMefj3dM9DcuxcVMfdAAhSCCW fCBP7N5i6jxnC5EFpiN/uigKKx8cLuME1ZRIPPOHewYcVJ06Zy8nkF0jM8plIOpK BMNeDgtjtYf+pI1rLQmZrq77Bm8P1SmdKYruChfWVXl2Rlpq2+31Vv/e71An3XIg Pn28hdaFxOPzf42XsIzr =yptm -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Log files
Hi Richard, on Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:39:40 +0500GMT (23.10.2006, 13:39 +0200GMT here), you wrote: RO>> Just to be sure. We're talking about the account.log file here and not RO>> about the pop.log and the smtp.log files, are we? The latter too can't RO>> be set to a specific size, as they're merely intended for debugging RO>> purposes. RHS> I was talking about the pop.log. As I said, it's reached 300MB and RHS> growing weekly. Is there a way to trim it? No. Just turn off pop logging in account properties -- transport. As Roelof said, it is meant for debugging and should only be enabled when there's a problem with receiving mails. -- Cheers Peter Love your enemies: they'll go crazy trying to figure out what you're up to. Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Log files
Roelof, Monday, October 23, 2006, 4:05:50 PM, you wrote: RO> Just to be sure. We're talking about the account.log file here and not RO> about the pop.log and the smtp.log files, are we? The latter too can't RO> be set to a specific size, as they're merely intended for debugging RO> purposes. I was talking about the pop.log. As I said, it's reached 300MB and growing weekly. Is there a way to trim it? -- Thanks, Rick Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Log files
Hallo Richard, On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:38:12 +0500GMT (23-10-2006, 12:38 , where I live), you wrote: RHS> I unchecked "verbose log" but left it at 1MB (1000KB) and RHS> closed/restarted TB!, but there was no change in the log size. Seems RHS> that here controlling the size isn't possible. Just to be sure. We're talking about the account.log file here and not about the pop.log and the smtp.log files, are we? The latter too can't be set to a specific size, as they're merely intended for debugging purposes. The account.log can't be disabled. You could try deleting it with TB closed and see whether it stays within the limits. -- Groetjes, Roelof FIDO: the Information Frontage Road. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpD8bmzJQoP4.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Have you ever missed the possibility of assigning more than 1 Colour Group?
Hello Thomas, > We shouldn't discuss this on two lists in parallel, please do not > crosspost next time, it makes me dizzy! Thanks. ;-) You are right. If I initially cross-posted was because I was asking for support to a wish and I know there is people that is only subscribed to one of the two lists. Sorry :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Log files
Roelof, Monday, October 23, 2006, 2:29:42 PM, you wrote: RO> Over here TB keeps the log trimmed down to 10 MB, as I instructed. RO> I don't have 'verbose log' checked, because TB gives less RO> information about the triggered filters when you've got that RO> enabled (sounds silly, but it's true). I unchecked "verbose log" but left it at 1MB (1000KB) and closed/restarted TB!, but there was no change in the log size. Seems that here controlling the size isn't possible. Is there a downside to simply not logging at all? I always have the log at the bottom of the account during active sessions, and frankly that's all I've ever checked anyway. -- Rick Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Have you ever missed the possibility of assigning more than 1 Colour Group?
Hello MAU, On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:36:16 +0200 GMT (23/10/2006, 15:36 +0700 GMT), MAU wrote: M> As I replied in TBBeta, no, I cannot do it with VFs because there are M> not _objective_ conditions I can test on. If I subjectively consider a M> message as 'Important' and 'For Reference', for example, I want a way of M> somehow 'flagging' the message as both. With Color Groups, you can only M> assign one. The point was that you assign the colour groups manually. - We shouldn't discuss this on two lists in parallel, please do not crosspost next time, it makes me dizzy! Thanks. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Du kannst dir auch eine Frikadelle ans Knie nageln und so lange drehen, bis UKW kommt. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.85.03 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Log files
Hallo Richard, On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 09:47:56 +0500GMT (23-10-2006, 6:47 , where I live), you wrote: RHS> Awhile ago I noticed that the log file for my main account has been RHS> getting rather large - 300MB at the moment. I don't need to log every RHS> single action indefinitely, so I went to account properties|options RHS> and checked verbose log, and then set the maximum size to 1MB. RHS> However, even after closing/restarting TB! the log file remains the RHS> same size. What am I missing? I don't know. Over here TB keeps the log trimmed down to 10 MB, as I instructed. I don't have 'verbose log' checked, because TB gives less information about the triggered filters when you've got that enabled (sounds silly, but it's true). But in the days I had that enabled TB kept the size down as well. Just for testing purposes I set my log size back to five MB and closed TB. Size didn't change. Started TB again and the log was abbreviated, so I guess it works. You realize of course that the log size is indicated in kilobytes, not bytes, so for a log size of 1 MB you need to enter 1000. I know I've got this talent to state the obvious, but I just wanted to be sure. -- Groetjes, Roelof Pride is what we have. Vanity is what others have. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpHMXKcDzvbP.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Have you ever missed the possibility of assigning more than 1 Colour Group?
Hello Thomas, > The difference is that in TB you assign Colour Groups to messages and in M>> VA you assigned messages to Bookmarks. And what this actually means is M>> that you can ONLY assign one Color Group to a message while in VA you M>> could assign a message to several Bookmarks. > > Oops, you keep cross-posting. I just replied on TBBETA that you can > achieve what you need with virutal folders, if set-up correctly. And > if I understood your problem and solution suggestion correctly from > the beginning, that is. As I replied in TBBeta, no, I cannot do it with VFs because there are not _objective_ conditions I can test on. If I subjectively consider a message as 'Important' and 'For Reference', for example, I want a way of somehow 'flagging' the message as both. With Color Groups, you can only assign one. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
