Re: What is a natural email system?
Hello Michael, MLW What makes The Bat a natural email system. Can someone please explain MLW what this phrase means and why it is attached to The Bat? First of all it is advertising :) But for me it means that: 1. most of things can be done both by keyboard and by mouse 2. most of hotkeys can be configured to satisfy wishes of user. 3. there are a lot of things which make life much easier a) Alt+arrows/PgUp/PgDn in message list scroll message b) quick creation of filters c) mark read/del work on folder/account level AND with the same hotkey d) easy move between unread messages There are a lot of other tricks, I just described often used by me which I really miss in some other programs I had (or tried) to use (rss readers, and specialized for site news reader) -- 9Val Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP new mail sound?
Hello Martin, MW It's a bug or not implemented and has been reported on the beta list... MW not sure if a bug report is filed. It is not implemented yet -- 9Val Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 filter failure
Hello Bill, BM I was about to upgrade to v3 today when I came upon this thread. This BM looked like a real deal breaker until I did some analysis of my own BM incoming filters. It has a trial period :) BM I only have 13 filters that contain RegEx and 12 of them are of the BM form: You can send to me some messages (or just their headers) for testing And old filters in .srx file BM My 13th filter looks for a RegEx in any 'recipient' field. The RegEx BM is: BM ,.*,.*,|pobox\.com.*pobox\.com Tested on syntetical generated message and works fine -- 9Val Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 filter failure
Hello P.Johnson, PJ not. The condition for the TBUDL filter is: PJ Message Source - match - [EMAIL PROTECTED] There was a bug with message source filtering which was already fixed. BTW, message source filtering is too expensive operation, there it is possible use header or text filtering -- 9Val Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 filter failure
Hello Doug, 9Val There was a bug with message source filtering which was already fixed. 9Val BTW, message source filtering is too expensive operation, there it is 9Val possible use header or text filtering DW I don't think I understand this -- and does it mean one should always DW use header filtering rather than filter by one field in a header? No, it means only that when it is possible narrower type of search should be used. And therefore full message source search should be used quite rarely only for special purposes if you want to achieve better performance -- 9Val Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not
Hello Mary, MB Yes. But with the smiley interpreter on, the handles without colons in MB the default.msl can be startling, and I see that 9Val has still not MB had time to edit them. Hmm, quite strange, I've deleted MB GRR , grr , and headshot and other handles without colons from default.msl, may be problem is that installation haven't overwritten your local files? -- 9Val Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Jumpy Mail Ticker
Hello Mary, MB So, if building and testing is still going on, is there a chance you MB can have a look at why the mail ticker is still jumping? Heh, problem is that I tried to reproduce it not once, but failed MB When I begin to select messages in the main window from the folder MB message lists, I use Sort by Received time, descending order and MB Thread by, None. I like to just go down through the mails MB chronologically, since I read everything. MB So, I read a message. Then I click on the blue Next arrow. And MB instead of the next September 2, 2004, message, I will get one from MB February 25, 2004. Or from August 2. Or June 15. It's random. Usually MB from the same folder, but not always. OK, I'll test it -- 9Val Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: .msl file format
Hello Alexander, ASK is the .msl format for the smiley description explained somewhere? Don't know, I understood it just looking :) ASK I'd interpret the lines as: ASK smiley=path,value,matches,description Correctly ASK ...but what is the value exactly? I only see it being 0 in the ASK default.msl and pdsf.msl files I have. Miranda-IM uses this format. And part of .msl are shipped with single .dll file. Value specifies index of icon in .dll. BTW, it is not implemented in TB! ASK In addition, how does TheBat handle multiple .msl files? Handles from higher priority .msl override similar from others ASK I see a file order.txt in the images folder, and apparently it ASK is written by TheBat... but what does it mean? Hmm, it shouldn't appear anymore - Max said that using of that file causes blah, blah, blah problems so I had to remove it and now order is saved in bat registry key/MslOrder. Does anybody need UI editor of order? -- 9Val Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not
Hello MAU, M - I didn't like the way and rush Ritlabs threw the new release on us. Me too :) M - I didn't like the lack of communication. It is hard to communicate in this case. Maxim explained official position and there is nothing to add and it is not situation there unofficial positions should be expressed M But after a couple of days of using v3.0 for my normal work and reading M the reports in TBBeta and TBUDL, So it works normally for you? (just want to know, if it works for such advanced user as you are, then it is mostly finished) M I just and strongly believe the NFS is NOT mature enough for a M release version. Agree with you, but see below M So, unless Ritlabs opens a new beta cycle with a Beta version that, like M 2.13 Beta6/7/8, No new beta-cycles in near 1-2 weeks, as you understand, nothing depends of programmers now M I refuse to do any further debugging. Sad, I appreciate your testing M Later tonight I will report in TBBeta some of the bugs I've found. It will be great, may be some of them are already fixed M Then, I will downgrade, if I can, to version 2.12. Sad, as I said no new beta cycle would be introduced, so it will be hard to find and fix bugs without *real* usage of program. Less testers - slower fixes M But if RITLabs wants to count on me... new Beta cycle. Hmm, I can suggest you alternative beta cycle. As you probably know, in most cases every evening I make a daily build for internal testing Here is link to build: www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/beta/tbb-daily-build.rar Here is link to changelog: www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/beta/tbb-daily-build.txt That txt is included in build, but is located on server to see if anything actually changed No matter of your answer thanks again for honest expression of your opinion :) Have a nice night! -- 9Val Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Kaspersky AV Plug-in.
Hello Chris, CW Surely someone must be using Kaspersky successfully with TB! 2.12.03? CW I really don't want to have to change AV because of this problem, as CW this combination has worked perfectly for me for quite some time. CW 9Val - Can you tell me why the option is no longer available? We had problems with Kaspersky AntiVirus and have no any response and contactsfromKaspersky'sside, so it was disabled. Only receipt to make Kaspersky working is to switch to one of previous versions of TB! :( -- 9Val Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP Mail Not Loading.
Hello Chris, CW If I change to the latest beta, am I forced to use the new filters, or CW do the old filters still work? New filters are disabled by default you can enable them for accounts you want -- 9Val Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP Mail Not Loading.
Hello Chris, CW Whereas, I should get a mail with content and have quite a few headers CW specified in my mail that should show (see attached again). CW Why is this happening? Which synchronization method do you use? Are those messages huge? What says connection centre about your IMAP session? -- 9Val Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Virtual Folders Question
Hello Critter, C where can i find more information regarding the store state between C sessions on the filter tab for virtual folders? If it is checked VF saves which message were in it before close so after program restart no additional filtering needed. This helps to start faster, but can produce appearing of non-actual messages in VF, if it contains age/date conditions. -- 9Val Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Word wrap problems
Hello M, MicCullen Now, if they can just give the option of who? :) MicCullen proportional fonts... It is impossible because needs full editor rewrite -- 9Val Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
OT: Re: Word wrap problems
Hello M, MicCullen Now, if they can just give the option of 9Val 9Val who? :) MicCullen THEM!! You know, them. Man, how much clearer could I be? THEM.* Sounds like pray to known to all gods, whose names shouldn't be said on public :)) MicCullen *'Them' = 'You' for sufficiently correct values of 'them' :-) No, them is Stefan :) -- 9Val Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Still not showing - to me - sigh
Hello Marck, MDP (That would be because it uses the 'test' hotkey, which has now been MDP assigned to the new sorting office). So currently we don't have a MDP 'reload' method. 'test' hotkey is still used for image reloading, if not there is a bug -- 9Val Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Still not showing - to me - sigh
Hello Marck, MDP In 2.12.03 the Ctl-Shift-Alt-T test key brings up the new MDP (non-functional) sorting office. Is that a bug? It is a leak :) It shouldn't go out of internal testing. -- 9Val Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Still not showing - to me - sigh
Hello Roelof, 9 It is a leak :) It shouldn't go out of internal testing. RO Too late now. You'd better implement is as soon as possible now. ;-) OK, today at morning I'll do all you advice :) -- 9Val Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Word wrap problems
Hello Peter, PB differences between the two editors has always puzzled me. Does that PB mean that when I prepare a message using the Windows editor that my PB recipient will receive it as one long line, Yes, recipient will receive one long line PB or will their email PB program wrap it for them? Depends of program and its wrapping setting -- 9Val Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[5]: Word wrap problems
Hello Peter, PB MicroEd once more. I don't use tables, lists, etc. in emails as a PB rule, but I do want my recipients to get a message that is easy to PB display and read. Would I be correct in assuming that MicroEd has huge PB potential for goofing up due to the great number of options avaulable? One of most useful features for me is virtual spaces. Other options (important for me) are auto-wrap, justify on wrap, possibility to change justify of paragraph by one hotkey. And I always know what recipient will get. -- 9Val Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Word wrap problems
Hello Stuart, SC I just tested this by sending on long line in the HTML editor and SC sending it to myself and viewing it in plain text viewer and it wraps SC as needed in TB! Hmm, may be I don't know some preferences, but TB! wraps it on the window edge and on high resolution and wide viewer to follow line is un-comfort for my eyes. -- 9Val Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Word wrap problems
Hello 9Val, 9 One of most useful features for me is virtual spaces. Other options 9 (important for me) are auto-wrap, justify on wrap, possibility to 9 change justify of paragraph by one hotkey. And I always know what 9 recipient will get. And one more - Smart wrapping of quoted text which doesn't work in Windows editor. -- 9Val Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: nntp to mail using hamster
Hello George, GMM is there any other tool to suggest? I use MyGate: Homepage: http://en.barin.com.ua/soft/mygate/ Direct link: http://en.barin.com.ua/soft/mygate/mygate26.exe -- 9Val Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AV During Normal Operation
Hello Bill, BM The happens nearly every day. The only way back to normal is to close BM TB! and restart it. It is not informative - can you describe more popular actions which generate such errors? -- 9Val Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP and message download
Hello Mml, Mmd body. How can I stop this, because in many cases I'd like to delete Mmd the message ? You can't stop it yet. -- 9Val Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! 2.12 shows grey screen after startup
Hello Charles, CMG I've installed TB! 2.12 on an NT4/SP6a machine. After startup, I can CMG see the three panes being created (accounts/folders, message list, CMG message), but immediately afterwards I'm left with one big grey pane CMG showing No message loaded. How can I overcome this? Hmm, try to change split modes (Main Menu/Options/Window Split Mode/*) -- 9Val Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Slow startup for TB! 2.12?
Hello Robin, RA I also continue to experience message lists that are blank when the RA folder is selected.It only occurs within a short period of time after TB! RA has been started (say the first 5 mins) but it has happened that a folder RA will display the contents initially, but when I move away from it and RA back again, the message list becomes blank. RA This is not a case of viewing a subset of messages - I have tried going RA to the View menu and selecting different options under Display to try to RA refresh the display, but that has no effect. The only solution I have RA found is simply waiting until the messages appear in the list again. This RA may take anywhere from 10 secs to a couple of minutes. Do you use IMAP or POP3 account? -- 9Val Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: New Folder Option Would Be Useful
Hello Chris, CW About 30 mins ago, I created a few virtual folders and then put them CW within a folder to keep it tidy, but the parent folder count of the CW virtual folders doesn't actually do anything when the virtual folders CW under it change. :-( Sure, because: 1) VF can contain messages from other folders/account 2) Message from folder/account will duplicate count CW This is a shame, and would be a nice feature IMHO! :D CW Therefore, it get my vote! :-) OK, it will be done -- 9Val Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Slow startup for TB! 2.12?
Hello Robin, RA Has anyone else experienced either of these problems? It can be caused by VFs with complex filters or/and operating on huge folders. Try to check 'Store state between sessions' in VF properties it should help. -- 9Val Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB 2.12: IMAP: (#0002383) INBOX can be set as pre-defined Outbox, Sent and Trash too
Hello Alexander, AAG Here You are AAG IMAP: (#0002383) INBOX can be set as pre-defined Outbox, Sent and Trash too Incorrect citation, original is: [-] IMAP: (#0002383) INBOX can be set as pre-defined Outbox, Sent and Trash too It means that in previous versions was possible to select IMAP INBOX folder as Outbox, Sent, Trash. Now it is fixed. BTW, change log symbols: [-] means bug was fixed [+] new feature added [*] feature improvement/re-work AAG BTW, IMAP account properties Mail management - ROOT folder still AAG doesn't work :((( WIP :) -- 9Val Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: IMAP - another specific query
Hello Charles, CMG Come to think of it, does TB! support the IDLE command? Not. CMG Does TB! use multiple connections? TB (in my configuration) uses CMG 4 connections to the imapd. Not yet. -- :9Val: Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: IMAP - another specific query
Hello Kevin, KA Actually, all the IMAP servers are local on gig ethernet. Speed is not KA an issue. I will admit some of the speed issues are the result of my KA TB settings. I have had so many problems with IMAP synchronizations, I KA finally flush all the caches on exit so, on the resultant start-up, KA everything has to be restored. I also have autosync turned on. But, it KA is still significantly slower than Outlook or Thunderbird. Well, at home I'm working with IMAP at 21.6Kbit dial-up. So speed is a really *big* issue for me. And I prefer to use TB! without any synchronization - I just walk through folders and TB! loads only UIDS and Flags (downloading headers for last 1000 mails from TBBETA is quite slowly on clients which load full headers) . After selecting folder I'm walking through unread messages and only they are loaded - no overhead. So... May be Thunderbird is faster on wide connections, don't know and have no possibility to test -- :9Val: Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Some Smilies incomplete
Hello Marck, MDP why. It may be a fault in the component used to display animated MDP GIFs. I could repost this in TBBETA but this also applies to the MDP released version and I know that 9val reads here too ;-) . Sounds like 9Val is everywhere or 2004: 9Val is watching you :)) -- :9Val: Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Some Smilies incomplete
Hello Mary, MB Oh, I do hope so!! Would you be a back-up support person for me, as MB the newly appointed Keeper of the Smileys? MB I'd be your slave forever, if you could find the time to say Yes to MB that request!! :) Yes, yes, yes! -- :9Val: Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: convert folder to common folder?
Hello Jan,
JR Is it possible to convert a folder to a common folder? And if
JR so, how?
Quite simple - go to account directory, find there needed folder and
move it to the mail directory.
Before:
TB! Mail directory
Account
Folder
After:
TB! Mail directory
Account
Folder
After that select any common folder and press Ctrl+Shift+Alt+L ('Find
lost folders' shortcut). TB! will find folder. After restarting it
will be common folder.
--
:9Val:
Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: convert folder to common folder?
Hello Feli, FW just move the folder outside the account by Ctrl+Shift+Left Oops, programmers always find more abnormal way to do something simple ;) -- :9Val: Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
