Re: Filtering on Date, Focus in Mailbox
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, 11:29:02 PM, Deborah wrote: JC>> 2. When I select a Mail Folder to see the messages in, what JC>> determines which message get the focus? It would be nice if the JC>> first unread message would get the focus. > Usually it will be whichever message in the folder had the focus the > last time you had that folder open. In some cases, such as after a > Purge, the focus seems to go back to the first message on the list. Yes - usually. And that's great. However, I noticed that when I delete all messages from the folder, and then folder get filled again, focus goes to random message; not always first on the list. It's a bit irritating, I select folder, and then have to mark message unread, move to the first message, and then start reading messages normally. I haven't been able to figure out the rule which is applied when first entering a folder after all messages have been deleted. Deleting lots of messages at once seems to make things worse. Domchi -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt Comment: KeyID: 0x33FAB7E4 Comment: Fingerprint: FD16 4946 03AF 4E93 5B0F EE8B B81E AA54 33FA B7E4 iQA/AwUBPzJNNbgeqlQz+rfkEQJKBgCeIm1a4B+LoH3qycUifN1CJecQtboAniio hG9kyUDq4PmlgV1O849XRfql =gnd9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problems configuring Opera 7.11 to use The Bat as its emailclient.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, August 8, 2003, 5:33:13 PM, Tim wrote: > I've just discovered The Bat and am impressed! I am currently > using Opera 7.11 for browsing and email. I've tried to configure > Opera to use The Bat as it's email client with no success... Tim, try this: Go to Preferences/E-mail in Opera. Check "Use specific e-mail client" Enter this line in the box: C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe mailto: % Domchi -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt Comment: KeyID: 0x33FAB7E4 Comment: Fingerprint: FD16 4946 03AF 4E93 5B0F EE8B B81E AA54 33FA B7E4 iQA/AwUBPzPAzLgeqlQz+rfkEQJlnwCgoMhOQXFmEAjH9vQVEyzfu4Il6f8AnitY JOF4t77/m0FBHdvEx5Wvjv5g =RZyC -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Secure POP3?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Does anyone use TB! for retrieving messages from server with POP3 and secure connection (STARTLS)? Both secure to regular and dedicated port end up with this: ===8<===[ Begin paste ]= 31/07/2003, 13:44:18: FETCH - receiving mail messages !31/07/2003, 13:44:19: FETCH - Server reports error. The response is: -ERR authorization first ===8<[ End paste ]== On the same server, with same settings, secure connection works for IMAP. I've tried messing with authorization options, but it didn't help. Why is that log so brief, it doesn't even report connecting to server or anything (with IMAP it's full of information)? The Bat! 1.62r, Win2000. Domchi -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt Comment: KeyID: 0x33FAB7E4 Comment: Fingerprint: FD16 4946 03AF 4E93 5B0F EE8B B81E AA54 33FA B7E4 iQA/AwUBPypnfLgeqlQz+rfkEQJiFACgwa45SuU0Mjk33Y6dUr4mh9h+AT8AnjSd vEkYDP4E0HQ5nP9PS4zAVO6d =X4gH -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Don't sort.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, July 25, 2003, 9:06:55 AM, Roelof wrote: SH>> How do I /not/ sort? > Sort on an item that's the same for all messages. If you don't park > any messages and subsequently sort on 'parked' then you've got the > messages in the database order. Or try the 'flagged' collumn. > If you'd like to have the option to show messages in database order, > you have to give up one of these possibilities. YES! It works! THANK YOU! TB! actually can display in database order! Domchi -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt Comment: KeyID: 0x33FAB7E4 Comment: Fingerprint: FD16 4946 03AF 4E93 5B0F EE8B B81E AA54 33FA B7E4 iQA/AwUBPyEGMLgeqlQz+rfkEQJ5iQCfdoQl+MuiTnbMeOfC/pVdGH3tgA4AnAnh tk+TA/S699YudI2lPSdDZ9bJ =K4t2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: "Received" time should be rectified
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, 2:21:25 PM, Allie wrote: DK>> I tried sorting both by received and created time and DK>> somehow I finally settled for created time as being better, but I DK>> still got messages in wrong order. > I neglected to comment on this part. > Sorting by received time will mess you up when a message takes a > long time to reach your POP server. So, if you're taking part in a > discussion, like on TBUDL, it's not unusual for a response to reach > your POP server before the original message. > Furthermore, using the POP server received time will not help with > such a situation, since the POP server received time will reflect > the delay in receipt of the mail. Yes, I think that was the reason I switched back to "created time" for sorting messages. Domchi -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt Comment: KeyID: 0x33FAB7E4 Comment: Fingerprint: FD16 4946 03AF 4E93 5B0F EE8B B81E AA54 33FA B7E4 iQA/AwUBPx6tW7geqlQz+rfkEQIFzQCgzYMCc8qrOyClio3B2oTpF9bGKiUAoLbR FYfTyc7DOeeJ4oB+BoxHZxyO =RcCk -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: "Received" time should be rectified
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, 2:43:47 PM, Marck wrote: >> But TB! still lacks "sort by database order" feature which I often >> miss (sometimes I move messages around folders and really wish to >> see them sorted that way). > I am at a loss to understand the difference between Received order > and Database order. Except that "Database order" would logically > ignore received order when moving messages into a different folder.. Yes, that's it. Sometimes I really would like to be able to move message to another folder, and then switch to that folder and find that message on the bottom of the list, instead of having to search through thousands of messages to find it. Like when I accidentaly hit delete button and move message to Trash - digging it back from the Trash is frustrating experience. > Oh, I think I get it. You're saying that TB should be able to move > messages around within the message base? That's not going to be > possible because of the sequential structure and scale of the tbb > files. The programmers have traded that flexibility for speed and > capacity. I'm happy for it to stay that way. No, your first guess was right - I like the database design too. But I would like to see the actual order of messages in database. Domchi -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt Comment: KeyID: 0x33FAB7E4 Comment: Fingerprint: FD16 4946 03AF 4E93 5B0F EE8B B81E AA54 33FA B7E4 iQA/AwUBPx6s/rgeqlQz+rfkEQIXfACeIYCsEJKMI4Dz4Ebdhaep3BOiw1YAoNcj fXU1c86YRJtVSMxldqtA7dGz =yc+f -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: "Received" time should be rectified
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, 12:42:58 PM, Allie wrote: DK>> Order in which messages are downloaded from server and stored in DK>> TB!s message database. That would be "don't sort" setting or DK>> "sort by place in database". Simplest of all. It shouldn't be DK>> _that hard_ to implement, would it? :) > This has always been what TB! does for me with received time. > When downloading mail from the server, TB! will always download the > mail the server received first, followed by the mail it received > last. > I therefore find it a lot more accurate to sort mail based on > received time. You're right, I didn't think about that - and I tried sorting both by received and created time and somehow I finally settled for created time as being better, but I still got messages in wrong order. But TB! still lacks "sort by database order" feature which I often miss (sometimes I move messages around folders and really wish to see them sorted that way). Domchi -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt Comment: KeyID: 0x33FAB7E4 Comment: Fingerprint: FD16 4946 03AF 4E93 5B0F EE8B B81E AA54 33FA B7E4 iQA/AwUBPx5psLgeqlQz+rfkEQIZDACdF29v/42o435tiTeO1boKe9hNJxQAoLJs iGIwAyp7s+X+fxKzDi2e4xoS =fVKl -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: "Received" time should be rectified
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, July 22, 2003, 11:31:25 PM, Ricardo wrote: DK>> This pisses me off with TB too. In all mail clients before TB, I DK>> sorted my mail by time of arrival - time of arrival on server. If I DK>> sort in any other way, by time created or by time received, I always DK>> seem to read replies to messages before messages themselves. > I think that what you are asking for is simply impossible :) > The Bat is a POP3 mail client (IMAP access is secondary, and > incomplete). The POP3 servers don't give to the client any kind of > indication of the time of arrival of the message. So there's simply > no way that The Bat! (or any other pop3 client) can show you that > time. Order in which messages are downloaded from server and stored in TB!s message database. That would be "don't sort" setting or "sort by place in database". Simplest of all. It shouldn't be _that hard_ to implement, would it? :) Additionaly, you _can_ see when message arrived on server. Here's cut&paste from received headers and dates from your messages (as it arrived to me): ===8<== Received: (qmail 3571 invoked by uid 109); 22 Jul 2003 23:10:11 - Received: from gundel.de.clara.net (212.82.225.86) by server1.ouroboros.hr with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP; 22 Jul 2003 23:10:11 - Received: from stromgrade.its-toasted.org ([62.80.28.28] helo=draenor.its-toasted.org) by gundel.de.clara.net with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19f6JE-0002K0-QL; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 01:12:40 +0200 Received: from smtp-send.myrealbox.com ([192.108.102.143]) by draenor.its-toasted.org with esmtp (TLSv1:EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19f6GL-0005Xg-00 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 01:09:42 +0200 Received: from 200.70.113.235 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [200.70.113.235] by smtp-send.myrealbox.com with NetMail SMTP Agent $Revision: 3.35 $ on Novell NetWare; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:07:53 -0600 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:31:25 -0300 ===8<== Look at first and second received line - server1.ouroboros.hr is my mail server. I'm not an expert, but isn't 23:10:11 time when my server received your message? Simply looking at the date and time of first received line in message should do it. > You say that you have seen this functionality "in all mail clients > before TB". May I ask wich one?. I really don't think that can be > right. Eudora. By default, messages are not sorted (or, they're "sorted as placed in database") - and then eventually you can sort them by time. I don't know which time (received?) but I don't remember any problems with sorting messages in Eudora. In TB! I'm never quite sure. And when I accidentaly delete message, it's a pain to find it again - in Eudora, I simply switched to Trash and checked the message at the bottom of the list. Domchi -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt Comment: KeyID: 0x33FAB7E4 Comment: Fingerprint: FD16 4946 03AF 4E93 5B0F EE8B B81E AA54 33FA B7E4 iQA/AwUBPx3fN7geqlQz+rfkEQKkawCfZ/BnEUDLmAxgxwPEciiOj1IXoeAAn3Gf O0SLR0midziUulBkZ5fMPEnP =7N8B -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: "Received" time should be rectified
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday, July 21, 2003, 9:16:40 AM, Joe wrote: > Unfortunately, TB doesn't support this feature. TB won't show the > time when the email arrives at the POP3 server. There are two types > of time listed in TB, "Received" and "Created". Personally, I don't > think that "Received" time is necessary since it just indicates the > time when you download the emails from your POP3 server, thus, it > only depends on your frequency of fetching emails from server. And > the "Created" time is just the time of the sender's computer when > he/she sends out the email. This pisses me off with TB too. In all mail clients before TB, I sorted my mail by time of arrival - time of arrival on server. If I sort in any other way, by time created or by time received, I always seem to read replies to messages before messages themselves. TB seems to be the only e-mail reader which can't display messages the way they're received on the server... which is the same as "downloaded from the server"... which is the same as "written to TB message base". P.S. No, I don't want to sort by threads. I also can't fetch mail every minute since I'm on dial-up... Domchi -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt Comment: KeyID: 0x33FAB7E4 Comment: Fingerprint: FD16 4946 03AF 4E93 5B0F EE8B B81E AA54 33FA B7E4 iQA/AwUBPxwoA7geqlQz+rfkEQJurQCcCXaAs///1NKKNvmdQcFHIOJThHMAoLDg u/4/5tm3M2Lj8VnIh/VfUAf3 =ziZI -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: "Received" time should be rectified
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday, July 21, 2003, 2:36:38 PM, Thomas wrote: >> And the "Created" time is just the time of the sender's computer >> when he/she sends out the email. > Your POP server should receive the mail just a few minutes after the > "Created" time. So you could all agree to use the "Created" time as > your cut-off time. Nope. Created time is time when user wrote the message - user doesn't have to send that message until hours after created time, and therefore your server won't receive the message for hours after "created time". Domchi -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt Comment: KeyID: 0x33FAB7E4 Comment: Fingerprint: FD16 4946 03AF 4E93 5B0F EE8B B81E AA54 33FA B7E4 iQA/AwUBPxwoirgeqlQz+rfkEQIBwQCgyd9LPKGFTrR3Dgzm5OajLneFf/kAn1Bu ccc04lJVxQaMt/qUvYORSoFX =aE6d -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Memo data missing
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, June 26, 2003, 8:15:16 PM, Peter wrote: > I'm using a batch file that Allie Martin wrote, saving the complete > TB! directory to a RAR archive. It is much easier to use than the Isn't the MAIL directory enough? Domchi -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt http://www.ipgpp.com/ Comment: KeyID: 0x33FAB7E4 Comment: Fingerprint: FD16 4946 03AF 4E93 5B0F EE8B B81E AA54 33FA B7E4 iQA/AwUBPvs7GrgeqlQz+rfkEQI8iwCeIv6ujZRsMMR6pHyCwNVbsaXJ4VgAnjgF 781xCLxNreD7zb1a9eQ6F9BQ =VoG4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sorting messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, June 20, 2003, 4:27:55 PM, Leif wrote: > > Please include a "-- " that's right below your > name. This will allow TB to automatically cut off your PGP sig and > everything else below the "-- " when someone replies to you. So it's > clear, this is what it should look like in your template: > Domchi > -- > Don't forget the trailing space. If you don't put it in there, it > won't work. If you need to see what I mean, when you reply to this > message, the below (my name and TB info) will be missing from your > reply. > Actually, it wouldn't work. When I sign message which has "-- ", PGP changes this to "- --", which TB doesn't recognize as sig delimiter. AFAIK, there is no way to prevent PGP doing this (although I don't know why it's neccessary). That's why I have a bit modified clean quote template from TB library, which strips PGP signature, as well as anything after "- --". I don't see the point in using "- --", which TB doesn't understand, when PGP signature is standard and more known sig delimiter than "- --" (and TB doesn't recognize any of them). Domchi - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt http://www.ipgpp.com/ Comment: KeyID: 0x33FAB7E4 Comment: Fingerprint: FD16 4946 03AF 4E93 5B0F EE8B B81E AA54 33FA B7E4 iQA/AwUBPvXZmLgeqlQz+rfkEQKUVgCgnaonNS2FYx1g49qT7QwFcXjfmDAAmwf1 6/CgK2J3felWQJsgrVlClTVh =tWSh -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Sorting messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I would like messages in certain folders (Trash, for example) sorted in the way they are in the database - in order I delete them, from oldest to newest. I can't find the way to do that. I usually delete the message, and want to read it again immidiately after since I remembered something - but I can't simply go to Trash and view the message, I must search for it, since it gets lost in the last 100 mails I received since then. View previously read message doesn't work when message is moved between folders. Domchi -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt Comment: KeyID: 0x33FAB7E4 Comment: Fingerprint: FD16 4946 03AF 4E93 5B0F EE8B B81E AA54 33FA B7E4 iQA/AwUBPvLom7geqlQz+rfkEQIf1gCffidJlyvkKC7qoh2WGzNYyam5lvcAn1Xi 06xeBIZ1AsY1lE404GyH/htg =yWPw -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sending signed messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday, June 16, 2003, 10:33:50 AM, Stuart wrote: AM>> This is more than signature destruction. I see no signatures at AM>> all or any evidence of there ever being one. :/ > I'm pretty sure that this is a bug. If I create a message in a common > folder and the template changes the active account, then only some of > the settings for that account at applied; the 'Sign on Complete' not > being one of them. Don't know if it is a bug or a feature :))), but I have the same setup and I just checked. If your default "mailto" account has "Sign on complete" enabled, messages which are sent from common folders will have signature, wheather you change the account via template or not. Also, if your default mailto account has "Sign on complete" disabled, messages won't get automatically signed from common folders. I have account properties/general/this account is default for mailto links enabled, and signing from common folders works. :) So you can either enable signing for default mailto account, or use %SIGNCOMPLETE in template which you use to change account. Domchi -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt Comment: KeyID: 0x33FAB7E4 Comment: Fingerprint: FD16 4946 03AF 4E93 5B0F EE8B B81E AA54 33FA B7E4 iQA/AwUBPu2oQLgeqlQz+rfkEQKIMACfagVuTrEP7ql1LRGBiiyfnuuUAZ0An25w nuG0xeC3WbhewXtXeyPg1TIS =sczK -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Attachments
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, June 4, 2003, 12:07:25 PM, Allie wrote: DK>> Hm. Just tried it, and no, it seems that attachment is stored DK>> with original message. If I delete all the attachments from DK>> attachment directory, messages still keep the attachments - both DK>> the ones I received and the ones I sent. > Are you using filters to extract the attachments, or are you using > the account properties/option to 'store attachments in a separate > directory'. No. I only use sorting office to make two copies of each message I receive. DK>> Do you have "delete attachments when message is deleted from DK>> Trash" turned off? > Yes. I give up. Turning on that option pretty much solves the problem I've been having, but I don't know how. Domchi -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt Comment: KeyID: 0x33FAB7E4 Comment: Fingerprint: FD16 4946 03AF 4E93 5B0F EE8B B81E AA54 33FA B7E4 iQA/AwUBPt6FJ7geqlQz+rfkEQKLsgCfVMOzatHNjyM0W9EGE1NXbPYEuK0AoN5M wqvXDq1E79Vqv9gABVz+tP1C =qNnE -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Attachments
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, June 4, 2003, 2:55:15 AM, Allie wrote: DK>> I have TB set to keep attachments in separate directory. However, DK>> even if I delete the file from that directory, it seems that it DK>> keeps the attachment in body of the message that was sent to me DK>> and which I archived. Why? > I haven't kept attachments in a separate directory for a long time. > However, from my experimentation, if you delete an attachment from > it's corresponding 'Attach' directory, the attachment will seem to > be still associated with the message until you select another > message and then go back to the original. The attachment pane should > no longer be there displaying an attachment. Hm. Just tried it, and no, it seems that attachment is stored with original message. If I delete all the attachments from attachment directory, messages still keep the attachments - both the ones I received and the ones I sent. Those I didn't send yet lose attachments if I clear the attachment directory. Only way to delete attachment in message is to select attachment in TB, right-click, and choose "delete". DK>> Also, if I don't have "Delete messages when emptied from the DK>> Trash" turned on, if I attach the file, and write a message, it DK>> seems that TB saves a new copy of that file every 20 seconds in DK>> my case - or, on every auto-save of that message. That sometimes DK>> produces huge amount of unnecessary files in attachment DK>> directory. Is that a feature or a bug? > I'm not really following you here so I can't try to reproduce what > you say is happening. Be that as it may, it sounds like buggy > behaviour to me. I did the following: > I configured my editor to auto-save every 20 seconds. > I configured an account to place attachments in a separated > directory and the bind attachments only while sending mail is not > enabled. > I then created a new message and attached a file to it. Only one > copy of the attachment is saved though at times the file name will > change to file1.xxx and back to file.xxx between auto-saves. Still > only one copy of the attachment remains when I save the message to > the outbox. > Upon sending the message to the trash, the attachment remains in the > attachment directory. Upon deleting the message from the trash, the > attachment is deleted from the attachment folder. Do you have "delete attachments when message is deleted from Trash" turned off? If it's on, I get your results too. I've just tried again, and this time I didn't get new copy of attachment on auto-save, but every time I put the message in outbox. Interesting. > I tried this with v1.62r Me too. DK>> What is "Bind attachments only when sending out mail?" How does DK>> that affect the above? > You can use this option if you wish the latest version of the file > to be attached for delivery with the message. However, without this > option, the file is immediately bound to the message and you can > alter the original without the altered copy being sent. Aha. Thanks for explanation. Domchi -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt Comment: KeyID: 0x33FAB7E4 Comment: Fingerprint: FD16 4946 03AF 4E93 5B0F EE8B B81E AA54 33FA B7E4 iQA/AwUBPt1hx7geqlQz+rfkEQJbvgCeLQ0CvuY9IjfWGLsMDXdOy4QzC6EAniQc 9nhvlfz/t9nGma+hYSfkFm/v =0Mmz -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Attachments
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm trying to understand how TB handles the attachments. I have TB set to keep attachments in separate directory. However, even if I delete the file from that directory, it seems that it keeps the attachment in body of the message that was sent to me and which I archived. Why? Is it the same with the attachments/messages I sent and archived to another folder? When I delete the file in attachments directory, while the message is in outbox, attachment is eventually deleted and not sent. Also, if I don't have "Delete messages when emptied from the Trash" turned on, if I attach the file, and write a message, it seems that TB saves a new copy of that file every 20 seconds in my case - or, on every auto-save of that message. That sometimes produces huge amount of unnecessary files in attachment directory. Is that a feature or a bug? What is "Bind attachments only when sending out mail?" How does that affect the above? Domchi -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt Comment: KeyID: 0x33FAB7E4 Comment: Fingerprint: FD16 4946 03AF 4E93 5B0F EE8B B81E AA54 33FA B7E4 iQA/AwUBPtyZ4LgeqlQz+rfkEQJKUQCg5hh8KBa0jb8sfmO3renblssXGx8An2Ab 6WF9BR73AK5DdD4nnbM9fKUZ =Fx6U -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: where in the headers comes %OFromFName from ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, June 1, 2003, 10:28:57 PM, Wilfried wrote: BM>> Hmm, I didn't know it had a "comma rule." > for your information, I just heard that in US it is a habitude to > sign "lastname, firstname" or "firstname lastname" (so firstname > first _or_ a comma). That should explain the comma rule ! Actually, that is proper everywhere, not just in USA. If you put lastname before firstname, you should put comma after lastname. Of course, sometimes somebody wants to sort people by lastname, and therefore makes list of people with lastnames first; and that person may not be aware of correct grammar and usage in that cases. Therefore lastname firstname is often seen, since computers and lists sorted by last name became popular and widely used. But it's simply not correct. Domchi -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt Comment: KeyID: 0x33FAB7E4 Comment: Fingerprint: FD16 4946 03AF 4E93 5B0F EE8B B81E AA54 33FA B7E4 iQA/AwUBPtpcKrgeqlQz+rfkEQK6RQCfUoXMMrQo8wrzXwDTeYCPIKA4y30AnRZq 47W1+9GRWwVdlmhDudh68C3N =coYt -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, May 29, 2003, 6:52:32 PM, I wrote: > Question. I'm using PGPckt build to sign my messages. I received a > warning from PGP 7.0.3/Eudora 3.0.1 users that some of my signed > messages sometimes have bad signature. I tried sending same message > that was invalid to both myself and friend with The Bat/PGPckt, and > both messages were with valid signatures. > As far as I know, Eudora 3.0.1 doesn't change the text of received > messages. Could this be a Bat problem? > I couldn't find a pattern. Maybe it's the "- blahblah" at the > beginnings of several lines, which get converted to "- - blahblah" > by PGP. I didn't use tabs in message, and I didn't have any trailing > spaces I know of (message was written in TB! editor). Solved the mystery. Seems that I used some hi-ascii characters in that messages (namely, typographer's quotes and latin s with acute, left from pasting the text into the message). Eudora 3.0.1 didn't display those as they were sent, and passed wrong characters to PGP. Domchi -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt Comment: KeyID: 0x33FAB7E4 Comment: Fingerprint: FD16 4946 03AF 4E93 5B0F EE8B B81E AA54 33FA B7E4 iQA/AwUBPtaQv7geqlQz+rfkEQLuWwCgkQ21ookPrVu99jLRikHQBZEAtQgAoO6M 2zJ8P/T14GbkQIx6rZpUl9bk =t4WZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tabs and Spaces
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, May 29, 2003, 9:50:24 PM, Jeanny wrote: DK>> Personally, I think that since both the language and typography DK>> rules change through the years, I consider two spaces simply DK>> outdated. > I understand. However, those of us who learned to touch-type a long > time ago find it much more difficult to break the two-space habit. > That thumb just goes twice after a period, no matter what I tell it > to do! Well, that's what TB!s option "Auto format" is for! It corrects your two spaces to one! ; Domchi -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt Comment: KeyID: 0x33FAB7E4 Comment: Fingerprint: FD16 4946 03AF 4E93 5B0F EE8B B81E AA54 33FA B7E4 iQA/AwUBPtZlWbgeqlQz+rfkEQJe0QCfazIE6hAMEB+CvKklEjdtn2xMoxYAoL+q /TbFvcLS4sja+Nr3zKvC4aqO =plMU -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tabs and Spaces
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, May 29, 2003, 7:27:19 AM, Bill wrote: > It's disappointing the TB doesn't what the user wants. Even the > ALT-L fails to respect two spaces between sentences - I need to > copy/paste to a real editor and run a macro to fix things, reformat > and copy/paste back. FWIW... :) Two spaces between sentences is incorrect space usage, although still used by some. It dates back to old typewrites, and is obsolete for the very same reasons we don't use the same key for 1 and l, or 0 and O anymore... :) However, beeing proper on not, I would welcome if TB had both "standard" and both current editor for users to choose from. It would be great if you could switch between those two as you can between Stream/Column/Line mode, by hotkey, or by clicking in status bar. Good program shouldn't have OE's security flawed features, but its users should have an option to choose between issues such as this. Domchi -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt Comment: KeyID: 0x33FAB7E4 Comment: Fingerprint: FD16 4946 03AF 4E93 5B0F EE8B B81E AA54 33FA B7E4 iQA/AwUBPtYw+rgeqlQz+rfkEQKjlQCeNdbEQ+fz+uI1UnfeBz0yRBZTrEwAn3tm 7/FSdgMtAcof0zEhdI37RwHq =WN4S -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tabs and Spaces
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, May 29, 2003, 9:08:06 AM, Tim wrote: JD>> and isn't really needed anymore. > Partially true. > The reason double spaces were adopted in typing was they make > reading text in a monospaced font easier. You shouldn't use double > spaces after full stops in modern word processors because you're > normally using a proportional font. > But TB! uses monospaced fonts... It was actually always much debated issue, even with typewriters. Some found two spaces easier to read, and some found one space easier to read. Two spaces were eventually widely used. Personally, I think that since both the language and typography rules change through the years, I consider two spaces simply outdated. Domchi -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt Comment: KeyID: 0x33FAB7E4 Comment: Fingerprint: FD16 4946 03AF 4E93 5B0F EE8B B81E AA54 33FA B7E4 iQA/AwUBPtYv4bgeqlQz+rfkEQI1ywCguX8soKYbkPEosjna1hgZ/iHcgtwAnjW4 j4+6A/X2eIDm7rEn4tseVOYw =63OU -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
PGP problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, May 29, 2003, 7:01:50 AM, Allie wrote: BM>> The Bat! still converts tabs to spaces. > TB!'s editor doesn't support true tabs. As a result, text pasted in > with tabs will have the tabs converted to spaces. BM>> It also deletes trailing spaces. > Yes. It will do this upon sending. Question. I'm using PGPckt build to sign my messages. I received a warning from PGP 7.0.3/Eudora 3.0.1 users that some of my signed messages sometimes have bad signature. I tried sending same message that was invalid to both myself and friend with The Bat/PGPckt, and both messages were with valid signatures. As far as I know, Eudora 3.0.1 doesn't change the text of received messages. Could this be a Bat problem? I couldn't find a pattern. Maybe it's the "- blahblah" at the beginnings of several lines, which get converted to "- - blahblah" by PGP. I didn't use tabs in message, and I didn't have any trailing spaces I know of (message was written in TB! editor). I don't like the idea of my valid messages with invalid signature. Does anyone have any ideas where the problem could be? Maybe incompatibility between PGPckt and PGP itself? Domchi -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt Comment: KeyID: 0x33FAB7E4 Comment: Fingerprint: FD16 4946 03AF 4E93 5B0F EE8B B81E AA54 33FA B7E4 iQA/AwUBPtYsxLgeqlQz+rfkEQL7wwCglJuueawKUCgO41ctKuUKJGvXSbUAn2Wn pAwzaYbtaeUSokjx2EEeoDvG =dIOk -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
