The Bat! message duplication export problem

2003-04-05 Thread Mark Knipfer
Here are the steps I use to export messages from a mail folder:

1. Run The Bat!.
2. Click on a message in the mail folder.
3. Press Ctrl+* (asterisks) to expand all message threads.
4. Press Ctrl+A to highlight all messages.
5. Click Tools | Export Messages | UNIX Mailbox
6. In the Save Messages window enter a file name to save the messages.
7. Repeat steps 2 through 6 until all messages in all mail folders
   have been exported.

When I complete the above steps, I copy these files containing all
messages over to my Mac OS X computer for Mozilla. When Mozilla reads
these UNIX mailbox files, there are many duplicate messages. I then view
these UNIX mailbox files through a text editor I use all the time called
Multi-Edit 8.0j, or through Windows Notepad, and there are duplicate
messages in the UNIX mailbox files. However, when I import the messages
into The Bat! to a new mail folder, the duplicate messages do not
appear.

I installed The Bat! to C:\TheBat. When I copy one of the mailbox
MESSAGE.TBB files from one of the directories:

  C:\TheBat\MAIL\AccountName\Mailbox-folder\MESSAGES.TBB

to a test directory (i.e. c:\test), I rename MESSAGES.TBB to
MESSAGES.UUE. I then run Winzip and open the MESSAGES.UUE file. I see
many ###.TXT (### refers to the message numbers: 1, 2, 3, etc.) files
and I extracted these files to the c:\test\msgs directory. I reviewed
majority, if not all, of these files and there were no duplicate
messages. However, I did notice that each 1.TXT file every one of the
MESSAGES.TBB files that I changed to MESSAGES.UUE showed corruption. I
am not sure if there is any correlation to this or not, but I thought I
would mention it. At least there is an absolute and tedious method to
recover messages in The Bat! if ever needed by renaming the *.TBB files
to *.UUE and use Winzip to get the individual messages back.

Questions:

Why does The Bat! duplicate messages when exporting messages?

How can I solve this duplicate message export problem? I need to get
these messages over to the Mac OS X computer without having many
duplicate e-mails in the exported UNIX mailbox files.

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How to completely backup/restore The Bat!

2003-04-05 Thread Mark Knipfer
I thought I would post this information in case anyone may find it
useful.  These steps I use to keep The Bat! current on the computer I am
using.  Although I do not always export the registry, I included it as
part of the instructions for others that I provide these instructions.

How to completely back up The Bat!

1. Exit The Bat!.

2. Export The Bat!'s Windows Registry hive to a reg file:

regedit -e c:\TheBat\TheBat.reg HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT

3. Use WinRAR to back up The Bat!'s directory:

C:\Program Files\WinRAR\WinRAR.exe a -r c:\TheBat.rar c:\thebat\


How to completely restore The Bat!:

1. UnRAR TheBat.rar to c:\TheBat.

2. Merge c:\TheBat\TheBat.reg to the Windows Registry.

3. Run c:\TheBat\thebat.exe



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ACCOUNT.LOG -- append data?

2003-04-04 Thread Mark Knipfer
How can I make The Bat! append data to the ACCOUNT.LOG file?

Currently it seems The Bat! resets the ACCOUNT.LOG file every day.  I
would like to see an option or have a way to append the data to the
ACCOUNT.LOG file.  Some time I may need to go back a day or two to find
an error message or check on something.

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Re: ACCOUNT.LOG -- append data?

2003-04-04 Thread Mark Knipfer
On Friday, April 4, 2003, 10:37:15 AM, you wrote:
 Hallo Mark,

 On Fri, 4 Apr 2003 09:50:02 -0500GMT (4-4-03, 16:50 +0200, where I
 live), you wrote:

MK How can I make The Bat! append data to the ACCOUNT.LOG file?

 Did you try:
  Account - Properties - Options - Maximum log file size is ... kB?

Nope.  I overlooked that option.  I just set that to 500KB for the time
being.  Thank you.

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Auto-save every N sec feature

2003-04-04 Thread Mark Knipfer
In The Bat! 1.63i when I go to Options | Editor Preferences | General
there is this setting:

  Auto-save every
  [0  ] sec

Is this setting for saving a message that you are composing every N
seconds?  If yes, where does it save the message you are composing?

When I click Help in the Editor Preferences tab, there is no information
about this feature.

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Re: Auto-save every N sec feature

2003-04-04 Thread Mark Knipfer
On Friday, April 4, 2003, 5:51:24 PM, you wrote:

 On Saturday, April 5, 2003, 00:48, Mark Knipfer wrote:

 Is this setting for saving a message that you are composing every N
 seconds?

 Yes.

 If yes, where does it save the message you are composing?

 To the outbox, as a draft. Great feature IMHO.

Yes it is.  I am trying to get more users to convert over to The Bat!.
This is another strong point of The Bat! that I can use.

Thank you.

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Re: Mozilla and Netscape 7 format flowed messge format causing problems with The Bat! 1.60Q

2002-06-12 Thread Mark Knipfer

On Tuesday, June 11, 2002, 10:03:00 PM, Mark Knipfer wrote:

MK I have been receiving e-mails from users using Mozilla 1.0.0+ and
MK Netscape 7 PR1 using the default message format flowed settings.
MK This is causing The Bat! 1.60Q to lock up and at times cause
MK database file corruptions where I cannot recover messages in the
MK mail folder where the message got received.
[ snip ]

What is the valid e-mail address to report bugs?

When I sent this e-mail to this list and to [EMAIL PROTECTED], I
received this bounced messge:

The original message was received at Wed, 12 Jun 2002 08:04:58 +0600 (YEKST)
from host-212.56.194.249.mldnet.com [212.56.194.249]

   - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

   - Transcript of session follows -
554 5.0.0 MX list for master.e-city.net.ru. points back to gateway.eastwind.ru
554 5.3.5 Local configuration error

This is a critical bug in The Bat! that needs to get corrected.

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Re: Bold Font

2002-06-11 Thread Mark Knipfer

On Tuesday, June 11, 2002, 9:57:51 AM, Michael Rupflin wrote:

FDH Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

MR but doesnot work ;-;-)),---)))

Yes it does.

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Mozilla and Netscape 7 format flowed messge format causing problems with The Bat! 1.60Q

2002-06-11 Thread Mark Knipfer

I have been receiving e-mails from users using Mozilla 1.0.0+ and
Netscape 7 PR1 using the default message format flowed settings.  This
is causing The Bat! 1.60Q to lock up and at times cause database file
corruptions where I cannot recover messages in the mail folder where the
message got received.

I received a Mozilla 1.0.0+ e-mail message, plain text format, where I
could read the message fine.  When I tried to reply to the message
either by highlighting the text in the message or pressing Ctrl+Enter to
quote the entire message, the compose window appeared blank.  When I
tried to quote and reply to the e-mail, this disables all copy and paste
functions in The Bat! and in Windows 2000 and Windows XP.  I have to
restart Windows 2000/XP to gain the copy and paste functionality back.

When I receive a Netscape 7 PR1 message using format flowed format, The
Bat! 1.60Q locks up when trying to read the plain text or HTML e-mail
message.  The mail folder that received these e-mails lost all e-mails.

I am keeping the e-mail on the mail server as I am still using Forte,
Inc. Agent to receive all e-mails.  These Mozilla and Netscape 7 format
flowed message problems only occur in The Bat! 1.60Q.  I am trying to
use The Bat! for my primary e-mail client, but with these problems I
cannot do so as I cannot afford to lose e-mails.

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How do I set an e-mail account as the default account?

2002-06-08 Thread Mark Knipfer

How do I set an e-mail account as the default account?

I have four POP3 e-mail account set up in TB! and I want to make one of
them the default for when I click on a mailto: links.  Currently TB!
uses the previously selected e-mail account.  If I close TB! on an
e-mail account that is not my primary account and click on a mailto:
link in a web page, TB! opens the compose window using the default
opened account.

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Re: How do I set an e-mail account as the default account?

2002-06-08 Thread Mark Knipfer

On Saturday, June 8, 2002, 11:13:38 AM, Mark Knipfer wrote:

MK How do I set an e-mail account as the default account?

I found the setting:

* Highlight the account you want to set as default
* Click Account | Properties
* In the General tab select:
  [V] This account is the default for mailto:; URLs

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Re: How do I set an e-mail account as the default account?

2002-06-08 Thread Mark Knipfer

On Saturday, June 8, 2002, 11:24:23 AM, Jonathan Angliss wrote:

JA On Sat, 8 Jun 2002 11:13:38 -0400, you wrote:

 How do I set an e-mail account as the default account?

JA Select the account you want to be default, go to account properties,
JA and there is a small tick box that says user this account as
JA default mailto:; or something similar to that. I believe it's on the
JA first few pages (might even be the first) of the account properties,
JA but my memory isn't so good right now.

Thank you.  I just found that setting.  I guess I kept overlooking it
when I searched for it before.

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TB! Options | Preferences | Viewer questions - plain text

2002-05-17 Thread Mark Knipfer

In TheBat! 1.60k when I click Options | Preferences | Viewer, the 'View
message using' is set to Fixed Width Font Viewer (fast). When I select
an item in the Item: list such as Background, Regular Text, or Fixed
Width Text to change the setting, none of the change take affect.
However, when I set 'View message using' to Rich Text/HTML Viewer
(slower but with proportional fonts), all setting take affect. I notice
in the second window it shows Rich Text/HTML viewer layout. Does this
mean that all settings in the Item list pertains only to the Rich
Text/HTML Viewer setting?

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Re: TB! Options | Preferences | Viewer questions - plain text

2002-05-17 Thread Mark Knipfer

On Friday, May 17, 2002, 7:56:55 AM, David van Zuijlekom wrote:

 On Friday, May 17, 2002 at 07:42:08 -0400, you wrote concerning 'TB!
 Options | Preferences | Viewer questions - plain text':
 ...
 Does this mean that all settings in the Item list pertains only to
 the Rich Text/HTML Viewer setting?

 Yes I believe so. Maybe it's better if Ritlabs would blank those items
 when you choose the plain text viewer.

I agree. After seeing the Rich Text/HTML viewer layout wording, that
is when I derived these settings only pertained to the Rich Text/HTML
mode.

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Re: TB! Options | Preferences | Viewer questions - plain text

2002-05-17 Thread Mark Knipfer

On Friday, May 17, 2002, 7:57:17 AM, Peter Palmreuther wrote:

 On Friday, May 17, 2002 at 1:42:08 PM you wrote in
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MK Does this mean that all settings in the Item list pertains only to the
MK Rich Text/HTML Viewer setting?

 Yes.

Thank you.

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Re: Diagnose filter

2002-05-05 Thread Mark Knipfer

On Sunday, May 5, 2002, 8:56:04 AM, Adam wrote:

A How can you diagnose a filter? I set up a filter that should filter
A hundreds of messages, but only got 4.

A And can you have a filter do nothing? Just run through, counting the
A messages it applies to?

Filter the messages back to the same mail folder, or to a test mail
folder. The filter will show you the number of message it filtered. Then
you can change the designation mail folder in the filter.

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TheBat does not fully render HTML messages

2002-05-04 Thread Mark Knipfer

I am noticing in the HTML messages that I receive not all HTML parts of
the message is rendering, such as graphics and other parts of the HTML
message.  The same message appears to render fine in Microsoft Outlook
Express 6.0 and Netscape Communicator 4.79 Messenger.

Is this a known TheBat! HTML rendering issue?

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Re: Bold bug

2002-05-04 Thread Mark Knipfer

On Saturday, May 4, 2002, 9:59:04 PM, Adam wrote:

A Text stays bold arbitrarily.

Please provide me the information on this one, I don't know where you
mean the text stays bolded.


A Have they tweaked the new features yet, other than making Menu
A Navigator disappear even though it remains selected?

I did not notice the Menu Navigator no longer there until I read your
message.  I never used that feature anyway, so I did not miss it.

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Connection Centre window throws off Windows Alt+Tab window toggle

2002-05-04 Thread Mark Knipfer

Is there a way in TheBat! to show a mail check is occurring when the
Connection Centre hidden?

The Connection Centre window opens/closes all the time and this is
starting to throw off the window toggle (Alt+Tab) in Windows.  I
currently have the Connection Center hidden, but if there is also a way
to prevent the Connection Centre throwing off window sequence in
Windows, this would be good also.

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Re: Bold bug

2002-05-04 Thread Mark Knipfer

On Saturday, May 4, 2002, 10:22:26 PM, Adam wrote:

A On Sat, 4 May 2002, Mark Knipfer wrote:

 On Saturday, May 4, 2002, 9:59:04 PM, Adam wrote:

 A Text stays bold arbitrarily.

 Please provide me the information on this one, I don't know where you
 mean the text stays bolded.


A In your list of messages, they start out bold.  Unread.  And then turn
A normal (or what is the opposite of bold?).  They used to.  But sometimes
A they don't now.

I only experienced a problem like this when a S/MIME signed message
appeared in the message thread.

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MailTicker oddity

2002-05-04 Thread Mark Knipfer

In TB! v1.60j I set the MailTicker to 'Automatically'.  I normally
do not use this feature and wanted to see if I would like to use this
feature.

I have three POP3 e-mail accounts set up in TB!.  In the first e-mail
account I see recently read messages still appearing in the MailTicker.
 I read and deleted the message, but the message still appears in the
MailTicker.  When I double-click on the message in the MailTicker, the
message appears blank (no To, From, Subject, etc.).

It also appears if I open an unread (new) message from my other e-mail
account by double-clicking on the message in the MailTicker, the
messages opens in TB! message window where I can read it.  When I close
the message, the MailTicker closes also.  The MailTicker closed when the
first e-mail account had an unread (new) message in a mail folder and
became marked read when the MailTicker closed.

However, this MailTicker oddity does not consistently occur.

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Cannot delete attachments on a Inline Forwarded message

2002-05-04 Thread Mark Knipfer

I have an inline forwarded message in TB! 1.60j where I see an
attachment message.msg.  When I double-click on the message.msg
attachment, the View Folder window opens showing the message with the
file attachments.  I right-click on the attachments and click Delete.
Both attachments appear deleted.  When I close the View Folder window, I
return to the original message where I see message.msg attachment.  I
double-click on the message.msg file again and see the attachments.  The
attachments do not delete from the message.

How can I delete these attachments in TB! 1.60j in the inline forwarded
message?

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mail folder to a sub-mail folder?

2002-05-03 Thread Mark Knipfer

How do I move a mail folder into another mail folder to create a sub
mail folder?

Current folders:

  folder-a
  folder-b
  folder-c

Want to do this:

  folder-a
folder-b
  folder-c

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Re: mail folder to a sub-mail folder?

2002-05-03 Thread Mark Knipfer

On Friday, May 3, 2002, 9:29:14 AM, Eddie Castelli wrote:

EC  --- Mark Knipfer / Freitag, 03.05.2002, 15:20:59
EC mail folder to a sub-mail folder?

 Current folders:
   folder-a
   folder-b
   folder-c

 Want to do this:
   folder-a
 folder-b
   folder-c

EC Point to 'folder-b' on OLD position

EC Press simultanious 'CTRL + ALT' and HOLD the Keys and klick with
EC left button on your mouse HOLD it DOWN and move the folder!

Thank you.  This worked!

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Re: Anti-Virus

2002-05-02 Thread Mark Knipfer

On Thursday, May 2, 2002, 7:49:06 AM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

MDP Hi Paul,

MDP @02 May 2002, 22:28:39 -0400 (03:28 UK time) Paul Cartwright wrote in
MDP [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

MDP Does this help?

 I sent myself 2 test messages and they were signed, as was a message I
 sent to Linna :

 BTW, Your certificate is showing up lean an GREEN : ) YOUR VALID  ( LOL )

 so, without tweaking any settings ( I like combined sned/receive) I
 think I have actually DONE IT !

MDP There's only one possible response this deep into a thread:

I see Paul Cartwright's message in this thread, but I cannot read it and
the Mesage Flag shows yellow with a checkmark in it.  What does this
mean?  I also cannot mark the message thread read.

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Re: Anti-Virus

2002-05-02 Thread Mark Knipfer

On Thursday, May 2, 2002, 8:19:25 AM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

MDP @02 May 2002, 08:07:55 -0400 (13:07 UK time) Mark Knipfer wrote in
MDP [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I see Paul Cartwright's message in this thread, but I cannot read it
 and the Mesage Flag shows yellow with a checkmark in it.  What does
 this mean?  I also cannot mark the message thread read.

MDP This has already been widely discussed here. To see the message when
MDP using 1.60h, switch your S/MIME settings to MS CryptoAPI. There is an
MDP incompatibility between the two S/MIME implementations.

How exactly do I do that in TB!?

I see no MS CryptoAPI setting in TheBat! 1.60h.

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Re: Anti-Virus

2002-05-02 Thread Mark Knipfer

On Thursday, May 2, 2002, 8:34:21 AM, Mark Knipfer wrote:

MK On Thursday, May 2, 2002, 8:19:25 AM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

MDP @02 May 2002, 08:07:55 -0400 (13:07 UK time) Mark Knipfer wrote in
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 I see Paul Cartwright's message in this thread, but I cannot read it
 and the Mesage Flag shows yellow with a checkmark in it.  What does
 this mean?  I also cannot mark the message thread read.

MDP This has already been widely discussed here. To see the message when
MDP using 1.60h, switch your S/MIME settings to MS CryptoAPI. There is an
MDP incompatibility between the two S/MIME implementations.

MK How exactly do I do that in TB!?

MK I see no MS CryptoAPI setting in TheBat! 1.60h.

I just found it:

Options | S/MIME and select 'Microsoft CryptoAPI'

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Subject line problem in TB! 1.60h

2002-05-02 Thread Mark Knipfer

I received an e-mail message containing a valid subject line with some
foreign characters, which the subject line has two Re::

Subject: Re: Re: ...   ...    ... Rep...

When I replied to the user's mesage, the Subject: line appear blank.
When I press Ctrl+Shift+K the Subject: line looks like this:

Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IFJlc3BvbnNlIGZyb20gTWFyeSBOZWxzb24gb24gdGhl
  IGZvcm06?=
  =?ISO-8859-1?B?IFBDIEFjY2VzcyBmb3IgIMKgV2luZG93cyDCoFByb2JsZW0gUmVwLi4
  u?=

Why is this occurring?

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Re: TB! 1.60i Release

2002-05-02 Thread Mark Knipfer

On Thursday, May 2, 2002, 1:09:32 PM, Han's wrote:

Hs   The Bat! v1.60i, now show invalid signature,
Hs   many thanks guys,... ;)
Hs   http://www.ritlabs.com/ftp/pub/the_bat/beta/tb160i.rar

Is there a way to distribute self-extracting RAR files?

I do not have WinRAR installed on this system.

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TheBat! and S/MIME inquiry

2002-05-02 Thread Mark Knipfer

In TheBat! 1.60i when I click Options | S/MIME, the S/MIME Preference
window shows 'Internal Implementation' selected for the S/MIME Engine.
Does TheBat! automatically allow you to create and use S/MIME signatures
and encrypt messages without needing to get a S/MIME certificate from
Verisign or Thawte?

I read through TheBat!'s help file and there is nothing there that tells
you what to do from start to finish if you are not familiar with S/MIME.

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Re: Access violation error when selecting Privacy | Encrypt when Complete

2002-05-02 Thread Mark Knipfer

On Thursday, May 2, 2002, 6:00:30 PM, Mark Knipfer wrote:

MK In TheBat! 1.60h compose window when I select Privacy | Encrypt when
MK Complete, TheBat! displays this error initially:

MK   The Bat!

MK   (X) Access violation at address 00431F43 in module 'thebat.exe'.
MK   Read of address 0008.

MK   OK 

MK When I click 'Send the letter' button, the same error appears.

Updating to TheBat! 1.60i corrected the above error.

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Access violation error when selecting Privacy | Encrypt when Complete

2002-05-02 Thread Mark Knipfer

In TheBat! 1.60h compose window when I select Privacy | Encrypt when
Complete, TheBat! displays this error initially:

  The Bat!

  (X) Access violation at address 00431F43 in module 'thebat.exe'.
  Read of address 0008.

  OK 

When I click 'Send the letter' button, the same error appears.

Why?

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Re: TheBat! and S/MIME inquiry

2002-05-02 Thread Mark Knipfer

On Thursday, May 2, 2002, 6:09:47 PM, Mark Knipfer wrote:

MK In TheBat! 1.60i when I click Options | S/MIME, the S/MIME Preference
MK window shows 'Internal Implementation' selected for the S/MIME Engine.
MK Does TheBat! automatically allow you to create and use S/MIME signatures
MK and encrypt messages without needing to get a S/MIME certificate from
MK Verisign or Thawte?

MK I read through TheBat!'s help file and there is nothing there that tells
MK you what to do from start to finish if you are not familiar with S/MIME.

I finally figured it out.

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Using TheBat! comments -- next unread message annoyance

2002-05-02 Thread Mark Knipfer

I like many features in TheBat! that I have been testing and using over
the past several weeks.  However, there is one very annoying issue that
may make me to continue my usage of Forte, Inc. Agent for e-mail.  Each
time I start to read unread messages in mail folders, TheBat! does not
always proceed to the first unread message in a mail folder.

For instance, in this message thread the first three message have
already been read.  Three new unread message arrive in the thread.
TheBat! may start reading the second from last message (--) and not the
previous message.  At times I cannot determine if previous messages are
unread messages (which I do have Message Flags column present):

  This is a test message
Re: This is a test message
  Re: This is a test message
Re: This is a test message [new unread message]
  Re: This is a test message [new unread message] --
Re: This is a test message [new unread message]

Is there any way to get TheBat! to read the first unread message in a
mail folder?

When I use Agent, Agent proceed to first unread message in the mail
folder and continues thereon.

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Re: S/MIME questions

2002-05-02 Thread Mark Knipfer

On Thursday, May 2, 2002, 7:04:40 PM, Tim wrote:

T I, too, have been trying S/MIME since reading the recent posts, and
T now have some questions for the list.

I have always wanted to use S/MIME messages for encrypting e-mails and
signing messages, but majority of e-mail users do not like such
signatures and do not encrypt e-mails.

T 1. I think I am correctly signing emails, using CryptoAPI. They
T certainly appear signed in TB!, but when I sent a message to my work
T email and checked it at work (where I am forced to use Outlook 98),
T the text was present with no signature. It's possible that the
T company firewall stripped the signature as a disallowed attachment.

Does Outlook 98 support this digital signatures?

T So, is this email properly signed?

I see Invalid Signature.

T 3. Now I've succeeded in sending an encrypted message, but I can't
T read it myself. I thought the relevant setting was Always encrypt to
T sender's certificate. I have this set (and had it set when I sent the
T encrypted message).

T Is this a bug or did I do something wrong?

I generated my S/MIME signature through TheBat!'s internal implemenation
and I can sign and encrypt e-mails to myself with no problems.

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Compress all folders on exit question

2002-05-01 Thread Mark Knipfer

Should the 'Compress all folders on exit' option always be selected?

Does this have any negative impact on TheBat!'s database files?

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W32.Nimda.enc virus causing problem in TheBat! 1.53d

2002-05-01 Thread Mark Knipfer

A colleague of mine uses TheBat! 1.53d.  He started to receive the
Nimda.enc virus today.  Each time a message arrives with the Nimda.enc
virus, TheBat! 1.53d creates a bat###.TMP file in the Windows TEMP
directory in Windows 2000, Norton AntiVirus Corporate Edition 7.5x detects
the virus, and he has to exit TheBat! to get it to work again.

The Nimda.enc virus get launched through an IFRAME SRC tag in an HTML
message.

Why is the TheBat! 1.53d get affected by the Nimda.enc virus?

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Re: W32.Nimda.enc virus causing problem in TheBat! 1.53d

2002-05-01 Thread Mark Knipfer

On Wednesday, May 1, 2002, 7:50:29 PM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

MDP -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
MDP Hash: SHA1

MDP @02 May 2002, 19:43:48 -0400 (00:43 UK time) Mark Knipfer wrote in
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 Why is the TheBat! 1.53d get affected by the Nimda.enc virus?

MDP It's not! It has to store incoming mail somewhere. NAV is being way
MDP over-zealous.

MDP There are two things he could do here:

MDP 1) Turn off NAV, let the message arrive and delete it from TB with no
MDP problem.

MDP 2) Use the mail dispatcher to delete the infected message from the
MDP server.

Thank you.

MDP Just because a virus is received in the inbox, that doesn't mean
MDP you're infected - not with TB you're not! g.

Correct.

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Inbox - Known -- docmentation?

2002-05-01 Thread Mark Knipfer

Is there any documentation available on the Inbox - Known folder; how it
works, etc.?  TheBat! 1.60h Help file lacks documentation on this mail
folder.

If there is a web page providing such documentation, please cite the URL.

Thank you.

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Deleted and removed Trash folder messages remain on mail server - bug?

2002-05-01 Thread Mark Knipfer

In TheBat! 1.60h I have the following settings:

Account | Properties | Mail management
  (*) Leave mesages on server
[v] Delete message from server when it is removed from the Trash

Account | Properties | Options
  [v] Empty Trash folder on exit

When I delete an e-mail, the message goes to the Trash folder.  When I
exit TheBat! 1.60h, all messages in the Trash folder get deleted.  When I
run TheBat! 1.60h again, no messages appear in the Trash folder.  However,
when I click Account | Dispatch Mail On Server | All Messages, I see the
message(s) on the mail server showing the Delete checkbox checked, but the
message(s) do not delete from the mail server.  The message appear marked
for deletion and always remain there.

How can I get TheBat! 1.60h to remove these messages on the mail server
based on the above settings?


According to TheBat! 1.60h Help file:

  Mail management Settings

  Delete message from server when it is removed from Trash - use
  this option if you want your messages to be kept on the server
  until you delete them and they are removed from the trash folder.

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Re: Deleted and removed Trash folder messages remain on mail server - bug?

2002-05-01 Thread Mark Knipfer

On Wednesday, May 1, 2002, 9:19:19 PM, Allie C Martin wrote:

ACM Mark Knipfer [MK] wrote:
ACM ...
MK How can I get TheBat! 1.60h to remove these messages on the mail
MK server based on the above settings?

ACM To narrow the problem down, have you tried deleting messages from the
ACM trash manually

Yes, with no succes.

ACM or with a purge operation and seeing how TB! deals with
ACM it the next time a mail check is performed?

Is there a way to set up TheBat! to purge on exit?

Otherwise I will need to click Folder | Purge all folders or
Purge+Compress, correct?

ACM If it works under those circumstances, it would seem that the feature
ACM doesn't work across shutdown and restarts of TB!.

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Re: Deleted and removed Trash folder messages remain on mail server - bug?

2002-05-01 Thread Mark Knipfer

On Wednesday, May 1, 2002, 9:19:19 PM, Allie C Martin wrote:

ACM Mark Knipfer [MK] wrote:
ACM ...
MK How can I get TheBat! 1.60h to remove these messages on the mail
MK server based on the above settings?

ACM To narrow the problem down, have you tried deleting messages from the
ACM trash manually or with a purge operation and seeing how TB! deals
ACM with it the next time a mail check is performed? If it works under
ACM those circumstances, it would seem that the feature doesn't work
ACM across shutdown and restarts of TB!.

Update..

Steps to reproduce bug and delete messages from mail server:

1. Send an e-mail to yourself Subject: Test 1.

2. Receive the Subject: Test 1 message.

3. Delete the Subject: Test 1 message to the Trash folder.

4. Exit TheBat! 1.60h.

5. Run TheBat! 1.60h. The message from the Trash folder is done. click
Account | Dispatch Mail On Server | All Messages and the Test 1 message
is still there.

6. Send another test e-mail to your self Subject: Test 2.

7. Receive the Subject: Test 2 message.  Delete it to the Trash folder.

8. Exit TheBat! 1.60h.

9. Run TheBat! 1.60h. Click Account | Dispatch Mail On Server | All
Messages and you will notice the Test 1 message is no longer present on
the mail server and the Test 2 message is still on the mail server and
marked for deletion.  If you exit and run TheBat! 1.60h again and again,
the Test 2 message remains marked for deletion on the mail server.

However, if you send a Test 3 message, receive and delete the message,
then the Test 2 message will get deleted from the mail server when it
has already been deleted from the Trash folder much earlier.  This is
definitely a bug in TheBat! 1.60h.  If this feature actually worked
correctly, this would be great.

If you want to delete the message(s) marked for deletion on the mail
server on the last exit, the next time you run TheBat! you will need to
manually delete them from the mail server through the Dispatch Mail On
Server | All Messages feature.

I wonder when RIT Labs will fix this bug.  I am thinking about switching
over to TheBat! and this is one main feature I would like to use.

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Re: Deleted and removed Trash folder messages remain on mail server - bug?

2002-05-01 Thread Mark Knipfer

On Wednesday, May 1, 2002, 9:54:58 PM, Allie C Martin wrote:

ACM It's definitely working just fine at your end.

I concur now.  :)

ACM You can now go ahead and switch to TB! ;-)))

I have a few other issues to mend out still.

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Re: Deleted and removed Trash folder messages remain on mail server - bug?

2002-05-01 Thread Mark Knipfer

On Wednesday, May 1, 2002, 9:44:21 PM, Allie C Martin wrote:

ACM I just tried it and it works over here. I sent myself some messages
ACM with your configuration. Checked the server. The messages were there
ACM and marked as read. I deleted the messages and they were still there
ACM on the server. I then deleted them from the trash, did a mail check
ACM so that TB! could delete the messages and then checked the server ..
ACM they were gone.

ACM I then tried it across a shutdown, and it also worked. Remember that
ACM TB! does the deletion upon the next mail check. If you shutdown and
ACM restart, it's when you check for mail for the first time that TB!
ACM updates the server, deleting the relevant messages.

In TheBat! 1.60h here are my pertinent settings:

Account | Properties | Mail management
  (*) Leave messages on server
[v] Delete message from server when it is removed from the Trash

Account | Properties | Options
  [ ] Check mailbox at start-up
  [v] Periodical checking each [3 ] [minutes ]
  [v] Empty Trash folder on exit

When I deleted an e-mail to the Trash folder, exited and ran TheBat!
again, I was not waiting long enough for TheBat! to check e-mail based on
my time interval setting.  If I had (or have) Check mailbox at start-up
feature selected, then TheBat! would have deleted the marked e-mails for
deletion on the mail server.

This feature is working in TheBat! 1.60h.  I was just too impatient with
the almost correct TheBat! settings.  :)

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POP3 mail management question

2002-05-01 Thread Mark Knipfer

Does the Keep messages on server for [N ] days feature actually work?  I
have attempted to use this feature in other programs where it did not
work.

I thought about using these settings in TheBat!:

Account | Properties | Mail management
  (*) Leave messages on server
[v] Keep messages on server for[3 ] days
[v] Delete message from server when it is removed from the Trash

Account | Properties | Options
  [ ] Check mailbox at start-up
  [v] Periodical checking each [3 ] [minutes ]
  [v] Empty Trash folder on exit

where I could allow TheBat! to maintain my POP3 mail for me.

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Mail folder shows new unread messages, cannot read them

2002-04-29 Thread Mark Knipfer

In TheBat! 1.60h I am experiencing a frequently occurring problem.
TheBat receives new e-mails in a mail folder.  The number of new
unread messages appear out from the folder.  The messages appear
unread (bold) in the message list.  When I press Ctrl+] or Ctrl+[ or
even highlight the new unread messages, including hitting Ctrl+M on
the mail folder to mark all messages read, TheBat! will not proceed to
read the new unread messages where it will mark the messages read.

I have to exit and run TheBat! 1.60h several times to even be able to
read the unread messages in the mail folder(s) by pressing the Ctrl+]
or Ctrl+[ keys.

This is an annoying problem in TheBat! 1.60h.  I thought about
switching to TheBat! until Forte, Inc. releases Agent 2.0 later this
year, but after the problems I am experiencing in TheBat! I am
beginning to wonder.

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Expanding and collpasing message threads question

2002-04-27 Thread Mark Knipfer

In TheBat! 1.60c is there an easy way to expand and collapse the
current and all message threads in a mail folder?

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Read next unread message in mail folder

2002-04-27 Thread Mark Knipfer

How does TheBat! 1.60c determine the next unread message in the next
mail folder?

When I press Ctrl+] (next unread message) and the next unread message
(or messages) are in a proceeding mail folder, TheBat! does not always
start at the first unread message in the mail folder.  TheBat! may
start reading an unread message down in a message thread where I would
need to read the first messages.

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Unread message in message thread

2002-04-27 Thread Mark Knipfer

Why does TheBat! show an entire message thread unread when one message
in the thread is actually the unread message?

I find it only confusing to mark an entire message thread unread if
only one or more message in the mesage thread are actually new unread
messages.

I had an unread message arrive in a very long message thread.  TheBat!
displayed the entire message thread unread and only showed 1 new
unread message in the mail folder.

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Filtering spam e-mails

2002-04-21 Thread Mark Knipfer

What is the best way to filter spam e-mails by subject and domains?

I prefer to filter spam e-mails by subject lines and domains to a
particular mail folder for review where these messages are
automatically marked read.

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How to filtering zero byte messages?

2002-04-21 Thread Mark Knipfer

I am trying to filter only messages containing 0 bytes. (0 b).  In
TheBat! 1.60 Sorting Office - Advanced settings there are these two
settings:

  [ ] Messages is larger than   [0  ] KB
  [ ] Messages is smaller than  [0  ] KB

I want to filter messages that are zero bytes, no less-than or
greater-than.

How to filtering zero byte messages?

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Re: How to filtering zero byte messages?

2002-04-21 Thread Mark Knipfer

On Sunday, April 21, 2002, 2:24:57 PM, Miguel A. Urech wrote:

 I am trying to filter only messages containing 0 bytes. (0 b).

MAU I assume messages can't have less than 0 bytes, so setting to less
MAU than 1 should do the trick.

I tried

[x] Messages is smaller than  [1  ] KB

without success.

At this time I cannot get TheBat! to filter zero byte messages.

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Re: How to filtering zero byte messages?

2002-04-21 Thread Mark Knipfer

On Sunday, April 21, 2002, 3:12:33 PM, Brien King wrote:

BK What you can try is using the \S (not \s) in the text and have
BK presence set to No. This will filter any message out that doesn't
BK at least have one space in it. i.e. blank messages.

This filter works great:

 Strings   Location   Presence
  \SText   No

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VeriSign Digital IDs for e-mail?

2001-08-05 Thread Mark Knipfer

Does The Bat! support VeriSign's Digital IDs that are 128-bit for
e-mail?

VeriSign Digital IDs For Secure E-Mail
http://www.verisign.com/products/class1/index.html

According to The Bat! 1.54 Beta 4 Help file topic Secure messaging
with S/MIME, The Bat! supports:

  * RFC2632 S/MIME Version 3 Certificate Handling
  * RFC2633 S/MIME Version 3 Message Specification
  * RFC2634 Enhanced Security Services for S/MIME

I cannot these specifications on VeriSign's web site to determine if
the VeriSign's Digital ID's work with The Bat!.

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SMTP SPA for MSN

2001-07-31 Thread Mark Knipfer

Does The Bat! 1.53d or newer support SMTP Secure Password
Authentication (SPA)?

MSN implemented SMTP SPA lately and many MSN users are not wanting to
switch to or use Microsoft Outlook or Outlook Express 5.x.

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Re: SMTP SPA for MSN

2001-07-31 Thread Mark Knipfer

Tuesday, July 31, 2001, 9:26:24 AM, Thomas F wrote:

 Hello Mark,

 On Tue, 31 Jul 2001 08:37:39 -0400 GMT (31/07/2001, 20:37 +0800 GMT),
 Mark Knipfer wrote:

MK Does The Bat! 1.53d or newer support SMTP Secure Password
MK Authentication (SPA)?

 Take a look at Account / Properties / Transport / Send Mail /
 Authentication.

I only see the following settings without no mention of SPA:

 Accounts | Properties | Transport

  Click Authentication in the Send Mail section:

SMTP Authentication
[ ] Perform SMTP authentication (RFC 2554)

( ) Use settings for Mail retrieval
( ) Use specific settings [username and password]
( ) Store password on iKey
[ ] Require secure (MD5) authentication

[ ] Use POP before SMTP authentication

MK MSN implemented SMTP SPA lately and many MSN users are not wanting to
MK switch to or use Microsoft Outlook or Outlook Express 5.x.

 If what they use is something proprietary to MS, change ISP.

Based on what I know about MSN SMTP SPA so far, it is not a Microsoft
proprietary authentication which I find surprising.

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Re: SMTP SPA for MSN

2001-07-31 Thread Mark Knipfer

Tuesday, July 31, 2001, 9:48:04 AM, Thomas F wrote:

 Hello Mark,

 On Tue, 31 Jul 2001 09:35:47 -0400 GMT (31/07/2001, 21:35 +0800 GMT),
 Mark Knipfer wrote:

MK I only see the following settings without no mention of SPA:

MK   Click Authentication in the Send Mail section:

MK SMTP Authentication

 What's in a word? ;-) I was just guessing, as I don't know whether
 SPA is defined in any RFC.

Unfortuntely, Secure Password Authentication (SPA) is not a RFC.

If The Bat! works with SMTP SPA, I can direct some users over to The
Bat! so they can avoid using Microsoft Outlook 2000 or Outlook Express
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Re: SMTP SPA for MSN

2001-07-31 Thread Mark Knipfer

Tuesday, July 31, 2001, 1:58:15 PM, Peter Meyns wrote:

 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1

 On Tue, 31 Jul 2001 13:16:11 -0400GMT (which was 19:16 +0200GMT where I
 live),
 Mark Knipfer wrote this about SMTP SPA for MSN:

MK Peter,

MK You are indicating that The Bat! should work fine with MSN's SMTP mail
MK server using SPA.  Correct?

 Sorry, Mark, I overlooked MSN. I don't use it and I don't intend to. This
 setting works fine with my GMX accounts, that are set to SPA. So, The Bat!
 seems to have no problems...

 Cheers
 Peter

Are you using SPA with POP3 and/or SMTP on GMX?

If The Bat! works with SMTP SPA on GMX, I *presume* it will work on
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Re: TheBat! and Hotmail.

2001-07-29 Thread Mark Knipfer

Sunday, July 29, 2001, 9:06:46 AM, Joakim Nilsson wrote:

 Is it possible to check my Hotmail account with TB! or do I need
 some external application?

After a recent Microsoft and MSN Hotmail discussion, the answer to
checking MSN Hotmail with The Bat! is no.

You will need to use Microsoft Outlook, Outlook Express 5.x, or
Internet Explorer 5.x to access your MSN Hotmail account.

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Re: TheBat! and Hotmail.

2001-07-29 Thread Mark Knipfer

Sunday, July 29, 2001, 10:00:56 AM, Karin Spaink wrote:

 Web2Pop can be found at: http://www.jmasoftware.com

Does anyone know whether Web2Pop still works after Microsoft's recent
changes where they are only allowing Microsoft Outlook, Outlook
Express 5.x, or Internet Explorer 5.x to access MSN Hotmail?

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Cannot unsubscribe from this list

2001-02-26 Thread Mark Knipfer

Why can I not unsubscribe from this mailing list?  As per the footer on
each message:

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I keep sending e-mail messages to the e-mail address for Unsubscribe
and I am still subscribed to this mailing list.  Is this function
broken?  I wish to unsubsribe from this mailing list for a while since
I not currently using The Bat!.  Hopefully The Bat! will improve where
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Older The Bat! versions?

2001-02-15 Thread Mark Knipfer


Where can I find older The Bat! versions (before 1.4x)?  I read a
message in the archives there are some earlier The Bat! versions where
the message columns do not automatically adjust out when expanding a
message thread when messages are threaded by References.  I may be
able to use an older The Bat! version to accommodate what I need and
it may properly work to my needs of the program.

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Threading by Subject problem, same subject from different users

2001-02-15 Thread Mark Knipfer

I currently have The Bat! set up this way:

  View | Display | All Messages (Ctrl =)
  View | Sort by | Received Time (Ctrl 1)
  View | Sort by | Descending Order (Ctrl 0)
  View | View Threads by | Subject (Alt 2)

However, when I receive messages from different users using the same
subject lines or the subject line remains blank, these messages tend
to thread together.  This makes it very hard to read several different
conversations when the subject line is blank or containing identical
subject lines.

Is there a way to make The Bat! differentiate the subjects and
senders?

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Compressing folders highlights the last two messages in the mail folder

2001-02-15 Thread Mark Knipfer


I am seeing where after I select Folder | Compress All folders there
are usually two messages highlighted in a mail folder.  Why does this
occur?

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E-mail address auto-completion?

2001-02-15 Thread Mark Knipfer


Is it possible in The Bat! to auto-complete an entering e-mail address
in the To:, CC:, BCC:, etc. field in the Edit Mail Message window from
the Address Book, which excludes e-mail addresses not existing in drop
down list in these fields?

Netscape Communicator 4.x and other e-mail clients do this and
wondering if this is possible in The Bat!.

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Cannot access RIT Labs Web site

2001-02-12 Thread Mark Knipfer

I cannot access the RIT Labs web site:

http://www.ritlabs.com

http://198.78.172.135

by Host Name and IP address.

Is anyone else experiencing a problem?

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Re: Cannot access RIT Labs Web site

2001-02-12 Thread Mark Knipfer

Thomas wrote:

MK Is anyone else experiencing a problem?

 Both work fine here.

There must be a network problem somewhere then.  Because I cannot
access RIT Labs Web site from two different ISP's.

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Cannot delete a Save Draft message in Outbox, only one message in the Outbox

2001-02-11 Thread Mark Knipfer

While I was typing in a response to someone, I clicked the Save Draft
(Alt+F2) button in the Edit Mail Message window and it saved the
mesage in the Outbox mail folder. After I sent the message, the saved
draft message remained in the Outbox mail folder. When I right click
on the message in the Outbox mail folder and click Delete or press the
DELete key on the highlighted message in the Outbox mail folder, the
message would not delete. The delete options remain grayed out. When I
right clicked on the Outbox mail folder the 'Empty Folder' (Ctrl+Del)
option remained grayed out. The message was not parked in the Outbox
mail folder.

I had to double clicked on the message in the Outbox mail folder and
clicked the 'Send the letter' button to send the message again. Once
the message was successfully sent, the message finally removed from
the Outbox. Why could I not simply delete the message from the Outbox
when the message was initially sent out without any problems?

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Read unread message in next mail folder, possible?

2001-02-09 Thread Mark Knipfer


Is it possible in TB! 1.49 to skip to the next mail folder that has
unread messages in it?  If I read messages in the Inbox and the next
mail folder down has some new unread messages, is it possible to move
to the mail folder with the unread messages in it?

When I press Ctrl + ] to read unread messages in the current mail
folder, it will not automatically skip over to the next mail folder
containing unread messages.

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Re: Read unread message in next mail folder, possible?

2001-02-09 Thread Mark Knipfer

Mark Knipfer wrote:

MK Is it possible in TB! 1.49 to skip to the next mail folder that
MK has unread messages in it? If I read messages in the Inbox and the
MK next mail folder down has some new unread messages, is it possible
MK to move to the mail folder with the unread messages in it?

MK When I press Ctrl + ] to read unread messages in the current mail
MK folder, it will not automatically skip over to the next mail
MK folder containing unread messages.

MK Thanks.

I forgot to include, I am wanting to know if I can accomplish this by
not using the mouse, tab and/or arrow keys.

If this is not a feature in TB!, this would be nice to see this
feature in TB! as a user configurable setting. For those users who
would like to see and use this feature can and for those who don't can
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Re: Filtering on Sender

2001-02-08 Thread Mark Knipfer

Mark Knipfer wrote:

T Hi Mark,

T On Wed, 7 Feb 2001 21:56:22 -0500GMT (08/02/2001, 10:56 +0800GMT),
T Mark Knipfer wrote:

MKStrings   Location Presence
MKemail-address   Sender   Yes

MK What does the "Sender" look for in the message header?  Is this the
MK e-mail address appearing in the To: field, or the Sender: field?

T It looks for both the FROM and the SENDER fields.

Thank you.

T I think the fitlers get a problem with the trinagular brackets 
T around the email address, though. If the filter doesn't work, try
T deleting the brackets.


The syntax email-address represents the actual e-mail address
without the actual less than and greater than signs:

   Strings   Location Presence
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender   Yes

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Re: Message-ID macro?

2001-02-08 Thread Mark Knipfer

Mark Knipfer wrote:

O Hello, the Bat! list recipients,

O Thursday, February 08, 2001, Mark Knipfer wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] about
O Message-ID macro?:

MK Is there a Message ID macro available?  If yes, please provide the
MK macro for the Message ID.  Thank you.

From Help Topic "Complete list of template macros":
O ---8-

O MSGID  -  insert  the  current  message’s  Message  ID (taken from the
O   message headers, not working for newly created messages)

O ---8-

I cannot find this help topic in the The Bat! 1.49 help file.

Did RIT Labs update the The Bat! Help file in 1.49e?

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Re: Message-ID macro?

2001-02-08 Thread Mark Knipfer

Mark Knipfer wrote:

JA Hello Mark,

JA Historians believe that Wed, 7 Feb 2001 at 21:18 GMT -0500 was when,
JA Mark Knipfer [MK] typed the following:

MK Is there a Message ID macro available?  If yes, please provide the
MK macro for the Message ID.  Thank you.

From the What's New file on the RIT webpage:

WNF What's new in The Bat! 1.49 Christmas Edition? snip
WNF [+] %MsgID and %OMsgID template macros

The %MsgID macro is not working, but %OMsgID does work.

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Re: Message-ID macro?

2001-02-08 Thread Mark Knipfer

Mark Knipfer wrote:

O Hello, the Bat! list recipients,

O Thursday, February 08, 2001, Mark Knipfer wrote to OK3 about
O Message-ID macro?:

From Help Topic "Complete list of template macros":
O MSGID - insert the current message’s Message ID (taken from the
MK I cannot find this help topic in the The Bat! 1.49 help file.
O Try  again. Help / Contents / Message Templates / The complete list of
O Template macros.

I found it!  Thank you.

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Re: TB! 1.49 IMAP4: how to get IMAP4 working?

2001-02-07 Thread Mark Knipfer

On Wed, 7 Feb 2001 20:29:42 +0100, Jannik Lindquist wrote:

 Hello Mark and other TBUDLS,
 
 On Tuesday, February 06, 2001 at 22:40:24 GMT -0500 Mark Knipfer wrote on "TB!
 1.49 IMAP4: how to get IMAP4 working?":
 
 MK Is there a particular setting in TB! that needs to be set, other than
 MK setting the Protocol to IMAP4?  Where you do specify the path, or is it not
 MK needed?
 
 All you need to do is set the protocol to IMAP4. 

I already knew that, as I stated above.

 But no folders will be created
 in TB if there isn't any mail in the checked folders. If there *is* mail, a
 dialog-window will ask you whether you want to create a new folder of the same
 name as the checked IMAP-folder or rather want to use the inbox (and something
 else - but I forgot what).

TB! detects new messages in the existing IMAP mail folders but no mail
folders create in TB!.  After reading through past messages in the
archives, I see no one has successfully used IMAP4 in TB!.

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Re: Re[2]: ! 1.49: Message Column Lists moves to the right, message threading

2001-02-07 Thread Mark Knipfer

On Mon, 5 Feb 2001 22:48:09 +0100, Jannik Lindquist wrote:

 I would very much like to learn, what you think could be a 
 better solution.

This question alone shows the lack of experience you have with other
e-mail clients.

 It seems to me that you are asking the impossible, if you want TB to 
 solve all threading problems on the amount of space that your split-
 mode allows.

The problem is where the Subject: columns suddenly moves to the right.
Did you read my initial messages that explained this?  I detailed what
occurs, the design flaw, and it supposedly did not do this in earlier TB1
releases.  Thus, this seems like a bug (or design flaw) that will
hopefully fixed.

 IMHO, it is better to think of the threading-possibilities in the 
 list-view as a generous bonus - and then do serious thread-reading in 
 the folder-view. 

Huh?

 When this is said, I will the first to admit, that the folder-view 
 can be a bit cumbersome, as well. At present, I have expanded the 
 "Message List"-view (in the folder-view) to almost full screen and 
 then toggles this "Message List"-view on and off (using Alt+V+M). 
 This works great for me - but it would be nice with more advanced 
 options for toggling the message list-view on and off (full
 screen/half screen/off).
 
 As you probably know, the news reader Agent solves all these 
 problems by
 
 1) putting a limit on how many follow up-levels there can be in a thread
 
 and
 
 2) allowing control of the degree of indentation of the follow-ups

There is no maximum per se, but there is a maximum threading level where
it will display messages in a thread.  In Agent 1.8 if you set the
'Follow-Up Indentation:' to 3 and 'Maximum Follow-Up Level:' to 15, this
helps makes more messages properly thread.  However, the limitation to
message threading still exists.

**
 In my opinion, 1) is a very poor solution and is one of the main 
 reasons, I gave up Agent as an e-mail reader (and became a TB-user :-)).
 Is it really something like this, that you want for TB?

You did not understand my problem in my message.  I am not suggesting any
threading limitations or such implementations.  If you use Netscape
Communicator 4.x and other threading e-mail clients that do threading on
References and Message-ID's, you will see what I am referring to.  Message
threading itself in TB! is good, however, the constant adjusting of the
Subject message column is not.

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Re: ! 1.49: Message Column Lists moves to the right, message threading

2001-02-07 Thread Mark Knipfer

Mark Knipfer wrote:

MK This question alone shows the lack of experience you have with
MK other e-mail clients.

 WADR

What does WADR mean?  I have no idea what the acronym means.

 it shows that Jannik would be interested to hear a constructive view
 from you as to what could adequately replace the current design and
 still satisfy the users who already find the current design more
 than acceptable; users who might see retrograde aspects in copying
 some of the other solutions which may better suit your expectations.

I currently do not have the time to write a constructive view.

 You can't please all of the people all of the time.

I deal with these situations daily.

 moderator note
 It is not acceptable for you to make a judgement call on what
 Jannik's experience may or may not be. That constitutes a derogatory
 personal remark (albeit politely put) and is expressly against the
 rules of these lists.
 /moderator note

My remarks were not intended to be derogatory, nor to belittle
Jannik.  If Jannik and others read my remarks in that tone, I
apologize.

 moderator note 2
 I have twice tried to move this thread to TBTECH. On the TBUDL list,
 I now pronounce the horse dead.
 /moderator note 2

I did not read your message about moving the discussion to the other
list until I responded to the message.  Only after I read your message
that I knew you moved the discussion to the TBTECH list.

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Message-ID macro?

2001-02-07 Thread Mark Knipfer

Is there a Message ID macro available?  If yes, please provide the
macro for the Message ID.  Thank you.

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Filtering on Sender

2001-02-07 Thread Mark Knipfer

What is the best way to filter messages that uses a designated Sender:
address?

I receive e-mail from about 35 different support mailing lists via
Majordomo. Each mailing list put the e-mail address preceding with
"owner-". My Windows 2000 mailing list address is
[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Sender: e-mail address in the message
header shows [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Also, in Sorting Office window under Incoming Messages, when I create
a new filter, under the Filter Strings it shows:

   Strings   Location Presence
   email-address   Sender   Yes

What does the "Sender" look for in the message header?  Is this the
e-mail address appearing in the To: field, or the Sender: field?

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Re: Re[2]: ! 1.49: Message Column Lists moves to the right, message threading

2001-02-06 Thread Mark Knipfer

On Tue, 6 Feb 2001 10:54:59 +0100, Marek Mikus wrote:

 As I know, Stefan spends '6'!!! hours daily for mail support. If they
 will answer each bugreport and suggestion, when will they create code
 for TB? Nevermind!

I agree.  A programmer's time is better spent coding rather than answering
e-mail.  I know this very well since I do work for a software company, I
am their technical solutionist.


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Re: ! 1.49: Message Column Lists moves to the right, message threading

2001-02-05 Thread Mark Knipfer

Mark Knipfer wrote:

 In TheBat! 1.49 I am using the 'Full-height Account Tree' setting
 (View | Split Mode | Full-height Account Tree) and the following for
 message threading:

   View | Display | All Messages (Ctrl =)
   View | Sort by | Received Time (Ctrl 1)
   View | Sort by | Descending Order (Ctrl 0)
   View | View Threads by | References (Alt 1)

 My Message Column Settings are:

   Subject, From, Received, Size, Attachments, Flagging, Priority

 BUG:
 I found one annoying bug.  In a message thread if you click on the
 plus signs throughout the entire message thread, you will notice the
 Message List Columns to the right will gradually move to the right.
 If you do this through a long threaded message discussion, you will
 see the remaining Message List Columns just goes to the far right
 where you have to right scroll over to see them.

This is becoming very annoying problem, especially when I am using
TheBat! much more now.

I have not received any word back from RIT Labs on this problem as I
submitted a bug report on it.

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Re: ! 1.49: Message Column Lists moves to the right, message threading

2001-02-05 Thread Mark Knipfer

On Mon, 5 Feb 2001 21:19:36 +, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

  .. If you do this through a long threaded message discussion, you will
  see the remaining Message List Columns just goes to the far right
  where you have to right scroll over to see them.
 
 MK I have not received any word back from RIT Labs on this problem as
 MK I submitted a bug report on it.
 
 IMHO you probably won't. RITl labs have a strict policy of only
 responding to the first originator of a new bug report.

If this is true, then this may not provide other TB! users enough
initiative to report program bugs and problems since their effort, time,
and work is not worthwhile to RIT Labs.

 While it is agreed that this is a problem for many, it is, however,
 the way TB is *designed* to work rather than a "bug". By strict
 definition a bug is what happens when a program fails to work as
 intended. You are having a problem with the way the program has been
 designed to work.

I have never seen an e-mail client designed to adjust the message columns
based on the Subject thread expansion.  This is the first ever.  If this
is not a bug and it is a design, then this should be referred to a design
flaw.  This reminds me of the Microsoft saying, "it is not a bug, but a
feature."  :)

 The TB programmers will, no doubt, think of a better design for this
 for v2 but it is a fact that they will not be making any such
 substantial alterations to the design of v1 while they are working
 hard to produce v2. As I say, this is a *design* problem, not an
 operational error.

I keep reading general references about TB! v2 without any estimated time
of releases or what may be in this version.  As it is now, I purchased TB!
v1.49 based on the features and how it mostly worked.  After purchasing
TB!, I noticed the message columns kept adjusting when the message threads
expanded.

I encountered two other bugs (or designs) in TB! 1.49 that will definitely
crash TB! 1.49:

#1:
When I press Ctrl-* to expand the message threads, if I would accidently
or mistakenly press Ctrl-* twice or more, TB! would crash.  There were
other times where I could not get the message columns to adjust back
within the message list area.  After exiting and running TB! again, I was
able to drag the message columns back.  Sometimes the Subject column would
disappear from a mail folder and I would need to add it back.  I have the
'Use the account default columns settings' selected in all of the mail
folders properties.  I also keep seeing the column widths randomly
adjusting in a variety of widths -- very small to wide.

#2:
The second bug (or design) is where I clicked "" to add all message
columns to the Selected Items: section.  I always receive the following
error:

  The Bat!

(X) List index out of bounds.

  OK 

In the 'Available Items' section the following remains:

  Message ID, Parking, To, Total Messages, and Unread Messages

In the 'Selected Items' column the following is present:

  Subject, From, Received, Size, Flagging, Attachments, Priority, 
  Colour Group, Created, Folder, Memo, and Message Flags

I found a few other bugs (or designs) in TB! 1.49 that crashes TB!.  After
one TB! crash today I was unable to read any messages in any mail folder.
This way after experiencing the above two problems back to back.  After
exiting and running TB! several times, I was able to read messages in the
mail folders.

After reading your first part of this message, this gives me no ambition
and initiative to report these problems to RIT Labs since they will
probably ignore them.  To me this shows the lack of interest to possibly
solve some current problems where they company could keep or gain more
customers.

 Why it does it this way has already been explained in fairly good
 detail and, while I sympathize with the frustration you feel, I can't
 suggest any other way to help. Having said that, Allie Martin
 suggested a very good way of using TB which makes the problem so much
 *less* "in your face" and hardly a problem at all. I, too, use TB as
 he described. Perhaps you should try that?

I may not have been subscribed to this mailing list when the detailed
reason and explanation was sent.  Could you cite the message from the
TBUDL archives for me?  Because when I searched the mailing list archives
I did not find any messages explaining this situation.

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TB! 1.49 IMAP4: how to get IMAP4 working?

2001-02-05 Thread Mark Knipfer

I am trying to get TB! 1.49 to work with IMAP4.  My ~/mail directory
already exists on the server (/home/usernam/mail) and TB! checks for
messages in the /mail/* but no mail folders creates in TB!.

I read through the TB! Help file and cannot find how TB! gets the
directories and messages on IMAP4.

Is there a particular setting in TB! that needs to be set, other than
setting the Protocol to IMAP4?  Where you do specify the path, or is it
not needed?

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Re: ! 1.49: Message Column Lists moves to the right, message threading

2001-02-05 Thread Mark Knipfer

On Tue, 6 Feb 2001 03:40:44 +, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

 MK If this is true, then this may not provide other TB! users enough
 MK initiative to report program bugs and problems since their effort,
 MK time, and work is not worthwhile to RIT Labs.
 
 While this is absolutely true and not acceptable for a large and fully
 staffed software house, those of us that are more used to the lack of
 response from the less well endowed labs accept that they are busy
 guys and submit bug reports wherever we can to make their job easier,
 with or without feedback ;-).

I hate spending time analyzing, testing, and duplicating problems in a
program and sending them to the software company where they end up in the
Trash folder or /dev/null.  If I know my message(s) containing bug
reports, or design flaws :), will be hopefully acknowledge where the
problem will be fixed in the program, this is more initiative to send
those bug reports to RIT Labs.


 To be fair, "Showstopper" bugs that are "every time" issues are
 usually fixed with a few days (if that long). There aren't many bugs
 like that left in TB.

Hopefully RIT Labs can correct the Ctrl-* bug, what I refer to a bug since
it is easily reproducible here on several computers running Windows 2000,
and prevent TB! from crashing.  

 For the most part, it's pretty stable software.
 What's more, it does the job it's supposed to do *extremely* well
 IMHO.

TB! is a fabulous e-mail client.  If I did not experience the adjusting
message columns problem with enduring the Ctrl-* problem/bug too, I would
probably make TB! my primary e-mail client to use.  TB! runs fast and
seems to be very reliable.  However, there are few minor tasks that I do
in TB! that makes it crash.


 MK I have never seen an e-mail client designed to adjust the message
 MK columns based on the Subject thread expansion.
 
 Nor have I. I didn't say that it was a *good* design. Actually, the
 consensus (even from me) is that it isn't. I'm just trying to say that
 *this* issue (shifting subject when expanding threads) is down to an
 incorrect design decision that we're kind of stuck with right now.

I thought you were first agreeing that the adjusting message columns when
expanding the message threads is a correct design.  I see now that you
agree and basically stating how it just works in TB!.  I cannot stand
threading messages by subject since I have always used threading by
references.  Once you attain yourself to a particular message reading
method, it is very hard to break the method.

 MK This is the first ever. If this is not a bug and it is a design,
 MK then this should be referred to a design flaw.
 
 Agreed.

Wow!  We agree on something!  :)

 MK This reminds me of the Microsoft saying, "it is not a bug, but a
 MK feature." :)
 
 LOL. Understood, but disagreed for the current context g.

That was meant to be an aside remark.


 MK I encountered two other bugs (or designs) in TB! 1.49 that will
 MK definitely crash TB! 1.49:
 
 These are bugs for sure, not designs.
 
 MK #1:
 
 snip
 
 I can't confirm this one :-(.

I kept experience this bug where it about drove me crazy.  This is one of
the reasons why I am using Agent 1.8 right now rather than TB!.

 MK #2:
 
 MK (X) List index out of bounds.
 
 Confirmed!

What a bug.  :)


 MK ... After exiting and running TB! several times, I was able to
 MK read messages in the mail folders.
 
 Pass. I've not seen this happen and don't know how to make it happen
 from your description.

I do not know how to make it happen again, but I experience this problem
twice today alone with unintentionally experiencing the problem.

 MK After reading your first part of this message, this gives me no
 MK ambition and initiative to report these problems to RIT Labs since
 MK they will probably ignore them.
 
 Don't get me wrong. I said "don't expect a response". I didn't say
 "you'll be ignored". There's quite a bit of difference. They certainly
 read them all and, if 1) the problem description is sufficient to
 allow them to reproduce it and 2) if the fix isn't going to break
 anything else or take an inordinate amount of time for the improvement
 in functionality then they will try to make the repair.

It is hard not to have the feeling of being ignored when you receive no
response(s) back.  I am not talking about any automated or canned
responses, but a real response from a real human with insight to the
problem(s)/bug(s).

 MK ... Could you cite the message from the TBUDL archives for me?
 
 There have been several places where this behaviour has been
 discussed. Firstly with TB v1.36
 
 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 13:11:16 -0500
 From: Ali Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Message list comments.
 
 ... and the ensuing thread. This was a very early conversation on
 exactly the same point as you are making. You can see by this how far
 back the issue has been complained about - and there has not been a
 single defender of this 

! 1.49: Message Column Lists moves to the right, message threading

2001-02-04 Thread Mark Knipfer

I am currently testing out TheBat! 1.49 and it is a great program.  I
previously tried TheBat! and it did not look that good at that time.
I guess I really did not look in to the program that well.  Because
the last two days I have been thoroughly analyzing the program and I
cannot find any con's to not to use it, except for a few minor con's.

In TheBat! 1.49 I am using the 'Full-height Account Tree' setting
(View | Split Mode | Full-height Account Tree) and the following for
message threading:

  View | Display | All Messages (Ctrl =)
  View | Sort by | Received Time (Ctrl 1)
  View | Sort by | Descending Order (Ctrl 0)
  View | View Threads by | References (Alt 1)

My Message Column Settings are:

  Subject, From, Received, Size, Attachments, Flagging, Priority

BUG:
I found one annoying bug.  In a message thread if you click on the
plus signs throughout the entire message thread, you will notice the
Message List Columns to the right will gradually move to the right.
If you do this through a long threaded message discussion, you will
see the remaining Message List Columns just goes to the far right
where you have to right scroll over to see them.

BUG:
Once you fully expand the message thread with the Message Column Lists
moving to the right, you can click on the minus signs to close the
message threads one by one.  I discovered when you click on a few
minus signs to collapse part of the message thread, you cannot click
on the remaining minus signs.  I can click on the first plus sign in
the message thread to expand that part of the thread, and then I can
continue clicking on the minus signs to close the remaining thread.
This occurs when you are about four or five levels deep in the message
thread.

I really like TheBat! 1.49.  However, I am hoping the above two BUGS
can quickly be fixed since this is a very big annoyance to me.  I am
evaluating this program since there are several other users that are
wanting to purchase this program (along with myself) if everything
works for what we need it for.  If the above two bugs are quickly
fixed, or a workaround is present, this will greatly entice us to
purchase the program.

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Re: ! 1.49: Message Column Lists moves to the right, message threading

2001-02-04 Thread Mark Knipfer

Nick Danger wrote:

ND Subject: ! 1.49: Message Column Lists moves to the right, message threading
NDFrom: Mark Knipfer
ND   Dated:  Sun, 4 Feb 2001, 10:28:46 (9:28:46 AM Local)
ND ~~
M Because the last two days I have been thoroughly analyzing the
M program and I cannot find any con's to not to use it, except for a
M few minor con's.

ND  8 -  snipped bug description -

M However, I am hoping the above two BUGS can quickly be fixed since
M this is a very big annoyance to me. --snip-- If the above two bugs are
M quickly fixed, or a workaround is present, this will greatly entice
M us to purchase the program.

ND Just me or are these two paragraphs contradictory?

No.  However, I did omit in the second BUG paragraph that the Message
Column Lists do adjust back to the left little by little as you
collapse the message thread.

ND Beyond that, I do agree however that the way TB! expands threads is
ND annoying.

At least I know I am not the only one thinks this.

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Re: ! 1.49: Message Column Lists moves to the right, message threading

2001-02-04 Thread Mark Knipfer

Nick Andriash wrote:

NA On February 4, 2001, at 7:28:46 AM, Mark Knipfer Wrote:

MK  View | Display | All Messages (Ctrl =)
MK   View | Sort by | Received Time (Ctrl 1)
MK   View | Sort by | Descending Order (Ctrl 0)
MK   View | View Threads by | References (Alt 1)

NA Mark, I have found that if you simply view threads by Subject, you
NA won't get the annoying movement of the message columns across the
NA top of your screen. Besides, the Re:[#'s] don't seem match up. By
NA that, I mean you can have 3 or 4 Re:[2]'s that are replies to
NA different authors.

NA I've just found it easier and cleaner to view threads by Subject
NA alone, and not bother with the References.

I prefer to view the message threads by References rather than Subject
since I am used to viewing message threads by References.  If I view
threads by Subject, I may loose track of the discussion -- the order
of which the message are received and threaded.

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Re: ! 1.49: Message Column Lists moves to the right, message threading

2001-02-04 Thread Mark Knipfer

A. Curtis Martin wrote:

MK I prefer to view the message threads by References rather than
MK Subject since I am used to viewing message threads by References.
MK If I view threads by Subject, I may loose track of the discussion
MK -- the order of which the message are received and threaded.

ACM If you sort using received time, it's remarkable how well you can
ACM follow the discussion when threading using subject.

I may try this setup:

  View | Display | All Messages (Ctrl =)
  View | Sort by | Received Time (Ctrl 1)
  View | Sort by | Descending Order (Ctrl 0)
  View | View Threads by | Subject (Alt 2)  -- change

Once I change TB! 1.49 to use this format, should I still experience
the Message Column Lists adjusting left/right when
collapsing/expanding the threads?

ACM It's just that the thread breaks when the subject changes.

No problem there.  Actually, I like that when this happens.

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Re: ! 1.49: Message Column Lists moves to the right, message threading

2001-02-04 Thread Mark Knipfer

A. Curtis Martin wrote:

MK I may try this setup:

MK   View | Display | All Messages (Ctrl =)
MK   View | Sort by | Received Time (Ctrl 1)
MK   View | Sort by | Descending Order (Ctrl 0)
MK   View | View Threads by | Subject (Alt 2)  -- change

ACM This is the exact settings I use for discussion lists where
ACM multiple e-mail clients are being used, which makes threading by
ACM reference headers only, quite messy.

MK Once I change TB! 1.49 to use this format, should I still
MK experience the Message Column Lists adjusting left/right when
MK collapsing/expanding the threads?

ACM No, since expanding a thread sorted by subject will lead to only
ACM one extra level.

This is why I prefer to thread by References.  Due to the effect
Subject Threading, I may not try this setup after all.

ACM It's just that the thread breaks when the subject changes.

MK No problem there.  Actually, I like that when this happens.

ACM This is annoying when a participant decides to correct a spelling
ACM error or correct syntax errors within the subject header. Grrr!!  :=)

True.  I forgot about that.

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TB! 1.49 Registration turnaround time?

2001-02-04 Thread Mark Knipfer

I purchased TheBat! 1.49 through CIF Net, Inc. by accessing RIT Labs
web page. I received a message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the
order information.

Does anyone know the turn around time on receiving TheBat!
registration information?

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TB! Save bug

2001-02-04 Thread Mark Knipfer

In TheBat! 1.49 when I press Ctrl+S to Save or Alt+F5 to Save As a
message to a text file and I specify an already existing file name
which I did not know that existed, when I change the file name to a
non existing file name, TheBat! continues to say that the new
specified file exists. The second normal prompt appears to append the
message to the designated file name, which I click No. The append file
option is great and I like it. However, TheBat! seems to have a bug
when you are trying to save a message to a text file and continues to
detect the file exists even after changing the designated save file
name.

Is this problem fixed in a later build of TheBat!?

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Re: TB! 1.49 Registration turnaround time?

2001-02-04 Thread Mark Knipfer

Karin Spaink wrote:

KS On 04-02-2001 at 18:54, Mark Knipfer kindly wrote:

 Does anyone know the turn around time on receiving TheBat!
 registration information?

KS Usually it takes no more than two working days.

At 1:26 PM Eastern, I receive my e-mail message with the registration
information.  It took almost one hour.  Not bad for a turnaround time.

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Re: TB! Save bug

2001-02-04 Thread Mark Knipfer

Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

MDP On 04 February 2001 at  13:07:43 -0500 (which was 18:07 where I  live)
MDP Mark Knipfer wrote and made these points:

MK ... TheBat! seems to have a bug when you are trying to save a
MK message to a text file and continues to detect the file exists
MK even after changing the designated save file name.

MK Is this problem fixed in a later build of TheBat!?

MDP I haven't come across this nor have I seen a report of it before. It's
MDP probably worth sending an official bug report to RIT labs (Help..
MDP Feedback.. Bug report). This doesn't sound too complex or fundamental
MDP a bug and such bugs often get fixed fairly quickly.

When I sent this message to the list, I CC'd the message to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] to report this error.

I am not sure how responsive RIT Labs are when responding to bug
reports.  Anyone have any experiences on the response times and
accuracy of answers from RIT Labs?

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Moving TB! among computers, keeping current on computer(s)

2001-02-04 Thread Mark Knipfer

I use three different computers:

  Computer-A - Windows 2000 Professional
  Computer-B - Windows 2000 Professional
  Computer-C - Windows 98SE

and keep my e-mail current on the computer that I use at any time.

I installed TheBat! 1.49 to C:\TheBat directory.  I am wanting to move
TheBat! 1.49 to another computer.  Can I just back up C:\TheBat
directory and use REGEDIT to export the following Windows Registry
key "HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat!" to move all of my
settings to another computer?

If one of the other two computers previously had TheBat! installed and
it expired some time ago, are there any known problems moving a
Registered version of TheBat! to a computer?

I am trying to find the best method to constantly keep TheBat!
settings, e-mail, etc. all current on the computer that I am using at
the time.

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TB 1.49 to 1.49c or 1.49e differences?

2001-02-04 Thread Mark Knipfer

I am noticing that there are some users using TB! 1.49c and 1.49e.
What are the differences among the 1.49 to 1.49e versions?  Just
wondering if any problems that I am experiencing have been fixed in
those later builds.

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Pasting text in message does not wrap

2001-02-04 Thread Mark Knipfer

When I paste text from a web page, which may consists of several or more
sentences, the text does not automatically wrapping in the Edit Mail
Message window.

Is there a way to make the text to automatically wrap in the Edit Mail
Message window?

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Re: Pasting text in message does not wrap

2001-02-04 Thread Mark Knipfer

Januk Aggarwal wrote:

MK Is there a way to make the text to automatically wrap in the Edit
MK Mail Message window?

  Edit - Paste Formatted (Shift-Ctrl-Ins)

That works great!  Thank you.

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Re: Moving TB! among computers, keeping current on computer(s)

2001-02-04 Thread Mark Knipfer

George F Schoelles wrote:

MK I installed TheBat! 1.49 to C:\TheBat directory.  I am wanting to
MK move TheBat! 1.49 to another computer.  Can I just back up
MK C:\TheBat directory and use REGEDIT to export the following Windows
MK Registry key "HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat!" to move all
MK of my settings to another computer?

 I did it with a backup file from TB, but the REG exported is not
 common between 98xx and NTxx.  Though once imported I did the find
 lost directory thingy which eludes me at the moment and all seemed
 fine.

I tried moving the Windows 2000 Registry export to the Windows 98SE
computer without success -- registry format differences and .REG file
format differences too.

I installed TB! 1.49 on the Windows 98SE computer.  I then backed up the
C:\TheBat directory on the Windows 2000 computer using Winzip.  Copied
the archive file to the Windows 98SE computer.  Unzipped the archive
file to the C:\TheBat directory.  Ran TheBat! without any problems on
Windows 98SE.

You can only move the Windows Registry portion between alike Windows
versions.

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Re: 1.46d IMAP question, where do I specify the mail path?

2000-10-14 Thread Mark Knipfer

Britta wrote:
 
 In fact, I found the IMAP Inbox on my server in the end.
 The bit I don't understand is: where (if anywhere) are the other
 default folders kept? Outbox/Sent/Trash. Does TB! create those? Or is
 this where we have to wait for version 2 implementation?

These are local mail folders.

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Re: 1.46d IMAP question, where do I specify the mail path?

2000-10-13 Thread Mark Knipfer

Britta wrote:
 
 Mark - how did you find that out?
 I would like to check myself *where* exactly the location of my IMAP
 inbox is on my server - it should be the path you quoted, but I can't
 find it there. Where/how can I trace this?

When you press F2 to check e-mail on the server, click Details in the
window and watch the details in the window scroll down.

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