Re: Anti-spam system recommendations
Hello Marten, Friday, December 23, 2005, 3:33:16 PM, you wrote: MG Could anyone using multiple POP3 accounts with The Bat, tell me what MG anti=spam system they use and could you provide a four or five word recommendation? I just purchased an upgrade to pc-cillin 2006 internet securitywheewwthat was a long one. Anyway, I enabled the spam filter on my wifes account which gets a ton of spam. I disabled all the other filtering items. It works pretty well. A few false positives but its doing a good job. -- Darrin Using The Bat! v3.64.01 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti-spam system recommendations
Hello Andre Wichartz everyone else, on 27-Dez-2005 at 19:25 you (Andre Wichartz) wrote: I'm not too familiar with the v3 filtering system but I think that would only catch mails with the header in the right place not in the body. Sorry, I did not read your message careful enough, I misread the part with the header being added to the body. Now, how that could happen is a complete mystery to me, never had that problem here. Lucky me. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) It's is not, it isn't ain't, and it's it's, not its, if you mean it is. If you don't, it's its. Then too, it's hers. It isn't her's. It isn't our's either. It's ours, and likewise yours and theirs. -- Oxford University Press, Edpress News Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti-spam system recommendations
Hi On Wednesday 28 December 2005 at 6:19:24 AM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Tom Plunket wrote: I didn't want folks to have to respond to a challenge email so turned that part off. Sensible if you do not want to annoy people immensely. -- Best regards, MFPA If you can't convince them, confuse them. Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti-spam system recommendations
Hello Alexander, Monday, December 26, 2005, 11:18:43 PM, you wrote: Hello Andre Wichartz everyone else, on 26-Dez-2005 at 12:53 you (Andre Wichartz) wrote: Two of the really really bad bugs affect tagging of messages found to be spam: One is adding the header to the body area of a message, the workaround beeing to have tb! search the whole message and not just the header area, slowing the filtering process down. I've created a custom header field X-Text-Classification in TB and have the filter in TB look if that very header contains the word spam. This works reliably ever since I started using K9 (I switched to K9 from PopFile, which uses the same X-Text-Classification header). I'm not too familiar with the v3 filtering system but I think that would only catch mails with the header in the right place not in the body. For the second there is no workaround cause to some messages K9 doesn't add the header at all. Odd. I've never had that problem. The only thing I've noticed is that K9 seems to stumble over newer headers like the very lengthy domainkeys - it did not affect my spam filtering however; the messages are just incorrectly displayed in K9's list of recent messages. I have no problems with the gui. But I had two occurences of bug 2 yesterday and one of bug 1 today. So I experience them on two computers with two different OS and after having installed K9 freshly on this laptop and with fresh training. The funny thing is when I look at the source of these messages I can't find anything special about them. -- Cheerio, Andre The Bat! v2.12 on WinXP Home sp2 Plugins: avast! v4.6 Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti-spam system recommendations
Alexander S. Kunz wrote: 0spam.com only requires that you tell it what your mailing lists are, the rest is automatic if you so desire. Just fwiw. The fact is that the fastest way to deal with spam is to simply not download it in the first place. Also the fact that you don't need to run any software on your computer whatsoever, and, well, yeah. I understand the concept but I don't feel comfortable when yet another party enters my email conversations. An arbitrary number of machines handle your email between point A and point B, and one that does something that benefits you is drawn into question? (FWIW, as with all truly useful software, it is also configurable to some degree. I didn't want folks to have to respond to a challenge email so turned that part off. Still, the whitelisting means I get zero spam messages in my email client.) To me that was one of the beauties of PopFile when I started using it 3+ years ago. Same here, but PopFile is so awkwardly slow and consumes a sh*tload of system resources. I could do my PF classifications with TBs filters just as well. Huh, never noticed compared to the other apps I run. :-| -tom! -- Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti-spam system recommendations
Hello Marten, Saturday, December 24, 2005, 12:33:16 AM, you wrote: Could anyone using multiple POP3 accounts with The Bat, tell me what anti=spam system they use and could you provide a four or five word recommendation? I have two accounts but have settled to only using spam filtering on the other one. This account doesn't get any spam at all. I don't trust blacklists, so it's bayesian filtering for me. I just whish there was any implementation that really works satisfactory. Bayesit - only some versions work at all and after a while they quit to - and tb! with them. Bayesfilter - crashed during training Spampal with bayesian plugin - works for a while then crashes Popfle - Uses too much cpu even when idle and when it doesn't get enough bandwidth during mail check it crashes causing the mailbox to lock Spambayes - crashed during training Spamhilator - doesn't really filter much at all K9 - This would be ideal: Small, light on resources, doesn't crash. Unfortunately it is buggy and to make things worse it seems to be unmaintained. The developer has disappeared (at least that was the case last time I checked). Two of the really really bad bugs affect tagging of messages found to be spam: One is adding the header to the body area of a message, the workaround beeing to have tb! search the whole message and not just the header area, slowing the filtering process down. For the second there is no workaround cause to some messages K9 doesn't add the header at all. So what I'm I using? K9. At least it doesn't crash and it's certainly better than nothing. I just filter on the whole message source and live with those messages it doesn't tag in addition to those it doesn't catch. But can I recommend it? Not really. Not without a but certainly. -- Cheerio, Andre The Bat! v2.12 on WinXP Home sp2 Plugins: avast! v4.6 Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti-spam system recommendations
Hello Andre Wichartz everyone else, on 26-Dez-2005 at 12:53 you (Andre Wichartz) wrote: Two of the really really bad bugs affect tagging of messages found to be spam: One is adding the header to the body area of a message, the workaround beeing to have tb! search the whole message and not just the header area, slowing the filtering process down. I've created a custom header field X-Text-Classification in TB and have the filter in TB look if that very header contains the word spam. This works reliably ever since I started using K9 (I switched to K9 from PopFile, which uses the same X-Text-Classification header). For the second there is no workaround cause to some messages K9 doesn't add the header at all. Odd. I've never had that problem. The only thing I've noticed is that K9 seems to stumble over newer headers like the very lengthy domainkeys - it did not affect my spam filtering however; the messages are just incorrectly displayed in K9's list of recent messages. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Freedom is not an essential and basic condition for the growth of science; the care and diligence of government authorities are the most important conditions for this development. -- Vasili N. Tatishchev Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti-spam system recommendations
On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 at 23:33:16 +, Marten wrote: Could anyone using multiple POP3 accounts with The Bat, tell me what anti=spam system they use and could you provide a four or five word recommendation? Popfile. While I note that Andre and Alexander appear to have had problems with CPU usage and/or speed with Popfile, I have not noticed any such problems. Popfile has the advantage that it allows me to set up multiple categories, so I have not only spam, but also two different work categories and a personal category -- Robin Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti-spam system recommendations
Hello Ian, Friday, December 23, 2005, 3:37:30 PM, you wrote: IAW I use Mailwasher Pro. It does not work inside The Bat!, but IAW pre-processes it and then passes the filtered messages on to The Bat! IAW to receive. Im trying out mailwasher pro right now for the heck of it. It has some nice features. Maybe Im doing something wrong here, but it seems I have to launch mailwasher pro first, go through and weed out spam vs non spam then launch my email program. Is that correct? Thats a pain I think if thats how its done. Again, I just started trying it out and maybe Im not doing it correctly. -- Darrin Using The Bat! v3.64.01 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti-spam system recommendations
Hello Marten Gallagher everyone else, on 24-Dez-2005 at 00:33 you (Marten Gallagher) wrote: Could anyone using multiple POP3 accounts with The Bat, tell me what anti=spam system they use and could you provide a four or five word recommendation? Just like Darrin and John, I recommend K9, too. It is small and fast (compared to PopFile), and it does not lose efficiency (compared to the TB plugins BayesFilter and BayesIt). Even though it is NOT a plugin for TB, I find its usage easier and more comprehensible than the TB plugins. The GUI is simple, definition of white- and blacklist rules is very easy, and it gives a greater feeling of overall control to the user than the TB plugins do. After the installation and first configuration, and a short training period, it needs almost no maintenance - this is the most important thing for me, I don't want to re-classify mails every other day and tweak some settings and whatnot. Following are my K9 statistics. Notice the second column. No false positives for 190 days. The 37 false positives in the first column were right after installing K9 and using it for the very first time. I have a large amount of whitelist matches because all mailinglists I'm on are whitelisted and not used for training the K9 database. Column 1: Since 10.11.2004 16:40:03 (409 days) Column 2: Since 17.06.2005 19:34:45 (190 days) Total number of emails processed 38,94219,725 95/day 104/day Number of Good emails processed 37,97919,250 97.53%97.59% Number of Spam emails processed 963 475 2.47% 2.41% Percentage of emails that matched whitelist rules 83.17%79.67% Percentage of emails that matched blacklist rules 0.25% 0.50% Number of emails re-classified to Good37 0 Number of emails re-classified to Spam 12226 Percent misidentified as Spam (false positives)0.10% 0.00% Percent misidentified as Good (false negatives)0.31% 0.13% 99.59%99.87% -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) More things are possible in a 4-D world than in a 3-D world. To a person in a 4-D world, the goings-on in a 3-D world looks as flat and confined as the action on a movie screen looks to us. -- Michael Guillen Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti-spam system recommendations
Alexander S. Kunz wrote: After the installation and first configuration, and a short training period, it needs almost no maintenance - this is the most important thing for me, I don't want to re-classify mails every other day and tweak some settings and whatnot. 0spam.com only requires that you tell it what your mailing lists are, the rest is automatic if you so desire. Just fwiw. The fact is that the fastest way to deal with spam is to simply not download it in the first place. Also the fact that you don't need to run any software on your computer whatsoever, and, well, yeah. No false positives for 190 days. Is K9 configured to only distinguish between spam and not spam? To me that was one of the beauties of PopFile when I started using it 3+ years ago. In the case of PF, I found that it is pretty easy to get working robustly with only two classifications, but the larger number of classifications gives additional power that I've come to love and requires a bit of babysitting here and there. E.g. my setup distinguishes between commercial emails that I want to get versus not (allowed advertising versus spam) and I've also got a rule for viruses that come in. Etc., etc. That said, in the nine rules I've got set up it tells me it's got a 99.1% hit rate over the last two and a half years. It was doing even better than that when it was classifying the 100 spams a day I was getting, but then 0spam.com came into the picture and those vanished entirely. -tom! -- Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti-spam system recommendations
Hallo Tom, On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 19:22:00 -0800GMT (24-12-2005, 4:22 +0100, where I live), you wrote: TP I've said it before and I'll say it again. TP http://www.0spam.com TP It's the only spam solution you will ever need. That's a bit of unfriendly system, isn't it? After all it requires people to reply to a message that asks for confirmation before it passes your message to the intended recipient. Bit of a hassle when you forget to include all of your mailing lists. Yes, that happens, at least twice somebody forgot to include the tb-lists into their 0spam setup. On this side of the filter that's more than a nuisance. Apart from the fact that the requests for verification are easily caught in somebody's spam filter, due to their automated nature. And finally for the business people among us. Customers who send a message and have to confirm their address before you're reading it are prone to go elsewhere. I'm not saying it won't work, but it's definitely not something I'd recommend. -- Groetjes, Roelof Blessed are the pessimistic, for they hath made backups. The Bat! 3.64.01 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgp8kRU9drZzY.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti-spam system recommendations
Hello Tom Plunket everyone else, on 24-Dez-2005 at 10:36 you (Tom Plunket) wrote: 0spam.com only requires that you tell it what your mailing lists are, the rest is automatic if you so desire. Just fwiw. The fact is that the fastest way to deal with spam is to simply not download it in the first place. Also the fact that you don't need to run any software on your computer whatsoever, and, well, yeah. I understand the concept but I don't feel comfortable when yet another party enters my email conversations. No false positives for 190 days. Is K9 configured to only distinguish between spam and not spam? Yes. To me that was one of the beauties of PopFile when I started using it 3+ years ago. Same here, but PopFile is so awkwardly slow and consumes a sh*tload of system resources. I could do my PF classifications with TBs filters just as well. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) I don't believe in God, because I don't believe in Mother Goose. -- Clarence Darrow Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Anti-spam system recommendations
Could anyone using multiple POP3 accounts with The Bat, tell me what anti=spam system they use and could you provide a four or five word recommendation? -- Please help get this bug sorted: go to https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5367 and have a moan for PLEASE Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 3.64.01 Christmas Edition with POPFile 0.22.3 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti-spam system recommendations
Friday, December 23, 2005, 6:33:16 PM, you wrote: MG Could anyone using multiple POP3 accounts with The Bat, tell me what MG anti=spam system they use and could you provide a four or five word recommendation? Popfile works well, is also a pre processor and does mail sorting. -- Lou --- __@ -- _-\,_ --- (_)/ (_) Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti-spam system recommendations
Hi Marten, On Fri, 23 Dec 2005, at 23:33:16 [GMT+] (which was Sat, 10:33:16 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: Could anyone using multiple POP3 accounts with The Bat, tell me what anti=spam system they use and could you provide a four or five word recommendation? K9 is excellent free as well. http://www.keir.net/k9.html -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.64.01 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Instead of getting married again, I'm going to find a woman I don't like and just give her a house. Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti-spam system recommendations
Marten Gallagher wrote: Could anyone using multiple POP3 accounts with The Bat, tell me what anti=spam system they use and could you provide a four or five word recommendation? I've said it before and I'll say it again. http://www.0spam.com It's the only spam solution you will ever need. The developers are very responsive to feature requests as well. You can use it for free, or give 'em $12 a year if you like them; the core functionality is the same and only a larger spam cache if you pay. I use PopFile also, but only for giving hints to TB for which folder various pieces of mail should go to. -tom! -- Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti-spam system recommendations
Hello Marten, Friday, December 23, 2005, 3:33:16 PM, you wrote: MG Could anyone using multiple POP3 accounts with The Bat, tell me what MG anti=spam system they use and could you provide a four or five word recommendation? K9 worked good for me when I used it. I now have all my mail filtered through barracuda network servers. If at all possible by you it seems the ideal way to deal with spam is from the server. But I know this isnt always an option. I have also been testing out AGAVA for the bat with my other email accounts. Its working out pretty good. http://www.antispamservant.com/bat_plugin.shtml -- Darrin Using The Bat! v3.64.01 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
