automated response
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Re: automated response
Dear Sean, @15-Oct-2004, 05:04 (15-Oct 12:04 UK time) Sean White [SW] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: SW I am out of the office today 10/15/04. I will return Monday 10/18/04. I have suspended your mail delivery rather than allow any more OOO posts to hit the lists. Fortunately for us you are on digest delivery, so we only got one of them. To re-enable mail flow, see the instructions and links regarding list membership management here: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgpleNYt9Y4Qm.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automated response(?)
Hello Greg Strong, on 2003-06-13 at 20:07 CET you wrote: GS Hello Mike, GS On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, at 13:47:09 GMT -0400 (6/13/2003, 12:47 PM -0600 GS GMT here), you wrote in GS mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: MA Well said, and I fully agree. Yes, the on-line experience for me has MA much more up than down and that's why I am here. MA Nice post. Happy to have seeded it. ;-) GS What can I say? Glad you like it! It pretty much sums up my feelings GS after years of on-line experience. Uwe. -- TheBat! 1.62i on Windows 2000 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: automated response
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Jeanluc, @2-Jul-2003, 21:18 -0700 (05:18 UK time) jeanluc said: De vuelta en mi oficina el lunes Back on Monday Your list mail has been suspended pending your return... - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. iQA/AwUBPwPx7TnkJKuSnc2gEQK7lQCfQhxblJ1iSlXH//Fo8UFPVJ+GsqwAoPYV qgkBETdxdc2dDispLIjsOV2x =8whP -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
automated response
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help needed on Automated response(?)
Dont get confused by the Subject! When I am sending a Automatic Response using Rules, How can I get it not to quote the original message? In the Template Editor for the auto response it does not have the %QUOTES tag, that I can see, so how can i not get it to quote?? Thanks for any help... Michael -- Best regards, Michael PGP KeyID := 0x402A090F Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automated response(?)
Hallo Michael, On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 05:52:48 +0100GMT (13-6-03, 6:52 +0200, where I live), you wrote: MT When I am sending a Automatic Response using Rules, How can I MT get it not to quote the origional message? That's easy, you can do that by not using the %quotes, %text or %headers macros. Nor should you use a quick template that uses one of these macros. MT In the Template Editor for the auto response it does not have MT the %QUOTES tag, that I can see, so how can i not get it to MT quote?? That should do the trick, but if it doesn't, you could post the defined template here, so we could look at it. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Automated response(?)
Hello Roelof, On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, at 16:30:02 [GMT +0200] (which was 15:30 in my TimeZone) you wrote: RO Hallo Michael, RO On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 05:52:48 +0100GMT (13-6-03, 6:52 +0200, where I RO live), you wrote: MT When I am sending a Automatic Response using Rules, How can I MT get it not to quote the origional message? RO That's easy, you can do that by not using the %quotes, %text or RO %headers macros. Nor should you use a quick template that uses one of RO these macros. MT In the Template Editor for the auto response it does not have MT the %QUOTES tag, that I can see, so how can i not get it to MT quote?? RO That should do the trick, but if it doesn't, you could post the RO defined template here, so we could look at it. Here is the complete template, as defined in Sorting Office -- Actions -- Auto Create Reply BEGIN TEMPLATE Hello %OFromFName, %QINCLUDE=SPECIALDATETIME %QINCLUDE=PGPREMOVE Your message was automatically moved for review without being read because HTML formatting was detected as: %OATTACHMENTS. Review may take anything up to 5 working days. After reviewing any future email may be allowed to bypass the filter. If your email was important please resend with NO HTML formatting. Please remove your HTML formatting and try again using plain text. -- Best regards, %FromFName %QINCLUDE=WEBADDRESS %QINCLUDE=GetPGPKey %cookie=C:\Documents and Settings\Michael Thompson\MAIL\cookies.txt %FROM=Mail Delivery System [EMAIL PROTECTED] END TEMPLATE As you can see, %quotes, %text or %headers macros are used. -- Best regards, Michael http://.thompsonmike.co.uk/ PGP KeyID := 0x402A090F Even the greatest of whales is helpless in the middle of the desert. Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automated response(?)
Your message was automatically moved for review without being read because HTML formatting was detected as: %OATTACHMENTS. It is likely the %OATTACHMENTS macro is at fault here, if the attachment is actually *attached* and not merely named. Try removing that and see what happens. If that was my fault, I apologize and an addendum to the original message should be posted. -- Regards, Mike Using The Bat! v1.62q on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Automated response(?)
Hello Mike, On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, at 10:45:41 [GMT -0400] (which was 15:45 in my TimeZone) you wrote: Your message was automatically moved for review without being read because HTML formatting was detected as: %OATTACHMENTS. MA It is likely the %OATTACHMENTS macro is at fault here, if the MA attachment is actually *attached* and not merely named. MA Try removing that and see what happens. MA If that was my fault, I apologize and an addendum to the original MA message should be posted. No, Thats not it. I have a feeling it is down to the reply template. The reply is using the text area of the HTML. And that is what I need to stop. Is there any way of specifying the reply template that is used in the Sorting Office Auto Reply function? -- Best regards, Michael http://.thompsonmike.co.uk/ PGP KeyID := 0x402A090F I'm out of sick days, so I'm calling in dead! Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Automated response(?)
Hello Mike, On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, at 11:02:46 [GMT -0400] (which was 16:02 in my TimeZone) you wrote: MA Return-path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MA Envelope-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MA Delivery-date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 17:02:55 +0200 MA Received: from [62.80.28.8] (helo=draenor.its-toasted.org) MA by mxng00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) MA id 19Qq4r-0008Cy-00; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 17:02:53 +0200 MA Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=draenor.its-toasted.org) MA by draenor.its-toasted.org with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) MA id 19Qq4q-00057w-00; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 17:02:52 +0200 MA Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com ([65.32.1.35]) MA by draenor.its-toasted.org with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) MA id 19Qq4i-00056z-00 MA for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 17:02:44 +0200 MA Received: from 000freexxx.com (rrcs-se-24-129-152-6.biz.rr.com [24.129.152.6]) MA h5DF2ejp018874 MA for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:02:42 -0400 (EDT) MA Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:02:46 -0400 MA From: Mike Apsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] MA X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62q) Personal MA X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MA Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MA To: Michael Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] MA In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MA References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MA [EMAIL PROTECTED] MA [EMAIL PROTECTED] MA [EMAIL PROTECTED] MA [EMAIL PROTECTED] MA MIME-Version: 1.0 MA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MA Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MA Subject: Re: Automated response(?) MA X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MA X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 MA Precedence: list MA Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MA List-Id: tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com MA List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MA List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MA List-Subscribe: http://stromgrade.its-toasted.org/mailman/listinfo/tbudl, MA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MA List-Unsubscribe: http://stromgrade.its-toasted.org/mailman/listinfo/tbudl, MA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MA Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MA Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The reply is using the text area of the HTML. And that is what I need to stop. Is there any way of specifying the reply template that is used in the Sorting Office Auto Reply function? MA I assume you have navigated to the Actions tab of your filter, and MA chosen (Checked) the Auto Reply box found there, and that you have MA engaged the little icon to the left which launches the template for MA your auto-reply? yeap.. -- Best regards, Michael http://.thompsonmike.co.uk/ PGP KeyID := 0x402A090F If you ignore your health, it will go away. Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automated response(?)
The reply is using the text area of the HTML. And that is what I need to stop. Is there any way of specifying the reply template that is used in the Sorting Office Auto Reply function? I assume you have navigated to the Actions tab of your filter, and chosen (Checked) the Auto Reply box found there, and that you have engaged the little icon to the left which launches the template for your auto-reply? -- Regards, Mike Using The Bat! v1.62q on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Automated response(?)
Hello Michael, On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, at 16:04:35 [GMT +0100] (which was 16:04 in my TimeZone) you wrote: MT yeap.. Ok, Sorted. By creating the template from Scratch in Sorting Office got it all sorted. Thanks for your time.. -- Best regards, Michael http://.thompsonmike.co.uk/ PGP KeyID := 0x402A090F I had amnesia once or twice. Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automated response(?)
Hallo Michael, On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:36:26 +0100GMT (13-6-03, 16:36 +0200, where I live), you wrote: MT %QINCLUDE=SPECIALDATETIME MT %QINCLUDE=PGPREMOVE What's in those quick templates? Especially the 'pgpremove' is suspect. It makes no sense to remove pgp from nothing, so that might just insert the message you're replying to. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automated response(?)
Hello Mike, On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, at 11:02:46 [GMT -0400] (which was 16:02 in my TimeZone) you wrote: snip entire originating message header The practice of publishing my entire message header here, and in the HTML archives is very much insulting and unappreciated. Kindly cease this practice at once or stop posting until you can figure things out. I am trying to help you, and in return, you both insult me and expose me to even more spam? I think not. A most unhappy, Mike -- Regards, Mike Using The Bat! v1.62q on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Automated response(?)
Hello Mike, On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, at 12:17:52 [GMT -0400] (which was 17:17 in my TimeZone) you wrote: Hello Mike, On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, at 11:02:46 [GMT -0400] (which was 16:02 in my TimeZone) you wrote: MA snip entire originating message header MA The practice of publishing my entire message header here, and in the MA HTML archives is very much insulting and unappreciated. MA Kindly cease this practice at once or stop posting until you can MA figure things out. MA I am trying to help you, and in return, you both insult me and expose MA me to even more spam? MA I think not. MA A most unhappy, MA Mike Opps, Sorry. Mistakes happen. -- Best regards, Michael http://.thompsonmike.co.uk/ PGP KeyID := 0x402A090F I'm not as dumb as you look. Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automated response(?)
Hello Mike, Friday, June 13, 2003, 11:17:52 AM, you wrote: The practice of publishing my entire message header here, and in the HTML archives is very much insulting and unappreciated. I am trying to help you, and in return, you both insult me and expose me to even more spam? It is my understanding that email addresses, even in message bodies, are now concealed in the TBUDL web archives. Can anyone confirm? -- Dave Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automated response(?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Dave, @13-Jun-2003, 11:25 -0500 (17:25 UK time) Dave Gorman [DG] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said The practice of publishing my entire message header here, and in the HTML archives is very much insulting and unappreciated. I am trying to help you, and in return, you both insult me and expose me to even more spam? DG It is my understanding that email addresses, even in message DG bodies, are now concealed in the TBUDL web archives. Can anyone DG confirm? Confirmed. :-))) - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. iQA/AwUBPun9UTnkJKuSnc2gEQKHIACg6kloqlZI5BKu7vy62/h0M++1IwUAmwbm c6NT9Dh09std26LPyKoStPBt =DpYw -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automated response(?)
Hello Mike, Friday, June 13, 2003, 11:17:52 AM, you wrote: The practice of publishing my entire message header here, and in the HTML archives is very much insulting and unappreciated. I am trying to help you, and in return, you both insult me and expose me to even more spam? It is my understanding that email addresses, even in message bodies, are now concealed in the TBUDL web archives. Can anyone confirm? One thing is certain. A simple meta name=robot content=none won't work any more, and unless there is serious and sophisticated arrest of those things, the e-mail addresses within the body of messages could be harvested. I will await a reply from the management of the HTML archive. But you know? This is an excellent demonstration of exactly how even someone with indeed a modicum of discretion can be sucked into the Spam alleyways of this thing called e-mail and once thought to be the greatest thing since sliced toast for an inbox beating. E-mail is doing the impossible however--it's managing to kill the United States Post Office by driving postage prices through the roof with adjustments every few months, and turning it into a small package forwarding shop. Regarding my objection to Kichael's inclusion of my personal e-mail in the body of his post, he replied Opps, Sorry. Mistakes happen. These sorts of mistakes do permanent inbox damage and I am extremely unhappy at the moment. -- Regards, Mike Using The Bat! v1.62q on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automated response(?)
Confirmed. :-))) I'll be the judge of that, thankyouverymuch by watching, and looking at the source. Regretably I explicitly and emphatically trust no-one in things e-mail and Internet and to put it mildly, I am absolutely furious over the recent open post of my home, private and personal e-mail address on this list, not to mention having the entire header displayed. -- Regards, Mike Using The Bat! v1.62q on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automated response(?)
Hello Marck, On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, at 17:35:08 GMT +0100 (6/13/2003, 11:35 AM -0600 GMT here), you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: DG It is my understanding that email addresses, even in message DG bodies, are now concealed in the TBUDL web archives. Can anyone DG confirm? MDP Confirmed. :-))) Good news! -- Best regards, Greg Strong TB! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automated response(?)
DG It is my understanding that email addresses, even in message DG bodies, are now concealed in the TBUDL web archives. Can anyone DG confirm? Confirmed. :-))) You are aware, I sure, spiders exist programmed to ignore such foolishness as META NAME=robots CONTENT=noindex and all other silly and sophomoric attempts to send them away? You are aware of course that the copyright police and others have superior means of harvesting HTML data of any kind, **meta name robot whatever?** You are aware, of course that spammers are being offered those same tools? It's all a game and as a user, you are not in control. Today, the one with the most money for things Internet, wins. And my e-mail address has just been compromised as I discuss spam eradication methods with the TB! list? Lovely. Just lovely. That's what I get. Is it any wonder I cast broad and all-encompassing nets? Is it any wonder I have no patience to teach a well-intentioned Bayesian filtering program what spam is for chrissakes? For me it's simple: If I don't know you, your e-mail will be deleted unread and you will get an auto-reply describing how to circumvent the filter. If you choose not to read the reply or conform, you and your message can take a hike. It's all so painfully simple a child could do it. -- Regards, Mike Using The Bat! v1.62q on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automated response(?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Mike, On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, at 12:54:37 GMT -0400 (6/13/2003, 11:54 AM -0600 GMT here), you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: MA I am absolutely furious over the recent open post of my home, MA private and personal e-mail address on this list, not to mention MA having the entire header displayed. I can understand your feelings. However after going through intrusion with regard to my own on-line experience to a LARGE degree myself, I have come to accept the down side of being on-line with the HUGE up side of being on-line. The resources on-line to learn about advancing technologies and to communicate with friends, family, and associates far exceeds the negatives. I've learned I can't control what other people do, but I can control what I do. Simply stated as long as the UP side far exceeds the DOWN side, I'll stay on-line. When the DOWN side exceeds the UP side I will NOT be on-line although I don't expect this to ever happen. Your experiences may vary. The intrusion of other people into your on-line experience is nothing more than example of the negatives of the human condition. This has always been, and will always be. The only change is the medium upon which it occurs. - -- Best regards, Greg Strong TB! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (MingW32) - GPGshell v2.70 Comment: Greg Strong (Email Mail Lists KeyID 0xB1FE63FA) iD8DBQE+6ggJsI2rzrH+Y/oRAqHEAKCdribeKmHZLc58blgf1qGMiz4LQQCgoBlf znnLEYbBQJccbmmv41es1ro= =/XQP -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Email addresses in the Archive (was Re: Automated response(?))
Hello Mike, Friday, June 13, 2003, 12:16:49 PM, you wrote: DG It is my understanding that email addresses, even in message DG bodies, are now concealed in the TBUDL web archives. Can anyone DG confirm? Confirmed. :-))) And my e-mail address has just been compromised as I discuss spam eradication methods with the TB! list? Lovely. Just lovely. That's what I get. Before you blow a gasket, take a look: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg57120.html. This message in the archive included email addresses in the body. Why don't you have a look and see if you can tell me what they were? -- Dave Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automated response(?)
On Friday, June 13, 2003 @ 10:16:49 AM [-0700], Mike Apsey wrote: snip And my e-mail address has just been compromised as I discuss spam eradication methods with the TB! list? Lovely. Just lovely. That's what I get. Is it any wonder I cast broad and all-encompassing nets? Is it any wonder I have no patience to teach a well-intentioned Bayesian filtering program what spam is for chrissakes? For me it's simple: If I don't know you, your e-mail will be deleted unread and you will get an auto-reply describing how to circumvent the filter. If you choose not to read the reply or conform, you and your message can take a hike. It's all so painfully simple a child could do it. Wow. I've been on this list for well over a year now and for the most part, the tone has been quite friendly. sarcasmWelcome to the list Mike!/sarcasm Please, if we're all causing you so much grief, find another e-mail client and go bother their forum. -- Matt Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automated response(?)
Hi Mike, On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:54:37 -0400 Mike Apsey wrote: Regretably I explicitly and emphatically trust no-one in things e-mail So your best bet is to stop posting. Even if archive conceals addresses in mail bodies (very bad, btw. look into HTML source at the bottom of the page), every spammer can easily simply subscribe this list and harvest addresses w/o end. This is a known fact for _EVERY_ mailing list that keeps the original From: header. So as much as your exercises about spam filtering are appretiated in list context you now can stop becoming personal (e.g. mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) and dooming every single thing you don't like and try to concentrate on the essentials here. I bet here're not many people subscribed that like spam and even lesser that try to provoke increase in spam in anybodys inbox, so a smart _hint_ (in opposite to a rough rant) should be enough in most cases. This explicitely excludes, of course, repeating offenders but I'm still about to see such here ... -- Ciao, Pit Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automated response(?)
Hello Peter, On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, at 19:33:02 GMT +0200 (6/13/2003, 12:33 PM -0600 GMT here), you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Regretably I explicitly and emphatically trust no-one in things e-mail So your best bet is to stop posting. Agreed. -- Best regards, Greg Strong TB! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automated response(?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Mike, On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, at 12:54:37 GMT -0400 (6/13/2003, 11:54 AM -0600 GMT here), you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: MA I am absolutely furious over the recent open post of my home, MA private and personal e-mail address on this list, not to mention MA having the entire header displayed. I can understand your feelings. However after going through intrusion with regard to my own on-line experience to a LARGE degree myself, I have come to accept the down side of being on-line with the HUGE up side of being on-line. The resources on-line to learn about advancing technologies and to communicate with friends, family, and associates far exceeds the negatives. I've learned I can't control what other people do, but I can control what I do. Simply stated as long as the UP side far exceeds the DOWN side, I'll stay on-line. When the DOWN side exceeds the UP side I will NOT be on-line although I don't expect this to ever happen. Your experiences may vary. The intrusion of other people into your on-line experience is nothing more than example of the negatives of the human condition. This has always been, and will always be. The only change is the medium upon which it occurs. Your post is intact above. I should frame it. Well said, and I fully agree. Yes, the on-line experience for me has much more up than down and that's why I am here. Nice post. Happy to have seeded it. ;-) -- Regards, Mike Using The Bat! v1.62q on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Email addresses in the Archive (was Re: Automated response(?))
Before you blow a gasket, take a look: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg57120.html. This message in the archive included email addresses in the body. Why don't you have a look and see if you can tell me what they were? I cannot see nor determine them. They were hidden by the posting software. Well done. Some steam relieved and I salute your method. But before I rest my aggravation completely, I want to see the post in the archive and it's not there yet. Other valid information relative to my mail paths were presented which could subject servers in the advertised chain to DOS attack. If I want my headers made public, I'll do it myself. Tell you what, if I'm banging worthless drums here, send me an e-mail, and let me publish your entire header back to the list so we all can see exactly how it moves through the system, okay? Put the word pass in the subject line to skirt my filters. Blow a gasket? Pulze. -- Regards, Mike Using The Bat! v1.62q on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automated response(?)
Wow. I've been on this list for well over a year now and for the most part, the tone has been quite friendly. sarcasmWelcome to the list Mike!/sarcasm Please, if we're all causing you so much grief, find another e-mail client and go bother their forum. Same way everywhere. Join us, but don't express any upstream opinions, and certainly don't say anything that might upset someone. I have never once been critical of TB! I will leave without hesitation when invited to leave by a moderator, not an individual listee as you have just done. Many thanks. Please read my posts, and if you have a problem, filter me. If you don't know how, read my posts. -- Regards, Mike Using The Bat! v1.62q on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automated response(?)
Hello Mike, On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, at 13:47:09 GMT -0400 (6/13/2003, 12:47 PM -0600 GMT here), you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: MA Well said, and I fully agree. Yes, the on-line experience for me has MA much more up than down and that's why I am here. MA Nice post. Happy to have seeded it. ;-) What can I say? Glad you like it! It pretty much sums up my feelings after years of on-line experience. -- Best regards, Greg Strong TB! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automated response(?)
So your best bet is to stop posting. Ah, good! Without a single personal attack, and without a single defamatory word about TB! This is officially my second unfortunate invitation to stop posting here. Thanks, so very much. The view of e-mail with the fuzzy-wuzzy glasses removed is quite different from my side, wanna see? No? Fine. If I told you not to eat that apple because there was a worm visible to me, you could either take my word for it and have eyes in two places, or disregard my comment and discover the worm for yourself after biting into it. Your comment suggests you don't want to see anything but the good side. Being a Pollyanna is one thing. Rejecting valid input is another. As I said in another post, when a list moderator invites me to leave, I will--without fuss. Petition them if you like, you know who they are. Even if archive conceals addresses in mail bodies (very bad, btw. look into HTML source at the bottom of the page), every spammer can easily simply subscribe this list and harvest addresses w/o end. This is a known fact for _EVERY_ mailing list that keeps the original From: header. Ain't life grand? So as much as your exercises about spam filtering are appretiated in list context you now can stop becoming personal (e.g. mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) and dooming every single thing you don't like and try to concentrate on the essentials here. Excuse me? What did you just say? If spam filtering and privacy protection are not part of what's perceived to be essentials here, then I clearly misunderstand what TB! and its filtering methods are about. So what, I should praise this wonderful thing called e-mail? Get serious, young fellow. I bet here're not many people subscribed that like spam and even lesser that try to provoke increase in spam in anybodys inbox, so a smart _hint_ (in opposite to a rough rant) should be enough in most cases. This explicitely excludes, of course, repeating offenders but I'm still about to see such here ... In the real world a smart _hint_ will reach those thinking individuals who carefully read, can understand the spirit of the author, and can walk away without throwing stones or inviting him/her to simply leave. For the majority of busy folk, the message needs to be repeated. -- Regards, Mike Using The Bat! v1.62q on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automated response(?)
Hello Peter, On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, at 19:33:02 GMT +0200 (6/13/2003, 12:33 PM -0600 GMT here), you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Regretably I explicitly and emphatically trust no-one in things e-mail So your best bet is to stop posting. Agreed. My, we are collecting a whole list of people wanting me to go away. Sad, actually. Everyone wants the comments sugar-coated? No one wants to be on the receiving end of polite and civil dialog and debate? Fine. I think I'm getting the message but I will wait for Marck to banish me. And when of if he does, I will ask he remove my photo from the gallery. C'Mon folks! Grow up! Have a dialog! Quit with the namby-pamby, blind goody-goody e-mail is the salvation of man stuff already! It is NOT! Together we can work to delay what I think will be the eventual morphing of e-mail into much less than we have today! You may not agree with me, but my comments here are to increase the usefulness and longevity of e-mail, not to destroy it. And I am not now and never was interested in winning a popularity contest. Love me or hate me, I could care less. -- Regards, Mike Using The Bat! v1.62q on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automated response(?)
Good evening Marck D Pearlstone ! On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 17:35:08 +0100 GMT your local time, which was 13.06.2003, 18:35 (GMT+0200) where I live, you (Marck Pearlstone) wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: DG It is my understanding that email addresses, even in message DG bodies, are now concealed in the TBUDL web archives. Can anyone DG confirm? Confirmed. :-))) Hmmm, sorry, but are you sure? Here is the source code of the last message in the archive [I deleted the mail address, please check yourself] : ,-- [ http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg57980.html ] | !-- MHonArc v2.6.3 -- | !--X-Subject: Re: PC Lock ups and generally slow performance of The Bat! -- | !--X-From-R13: Xbua [befr cntrznxreNfrzb.arg -- | !--X-Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 07:22:35 #45;0700 -- | !--X-Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- | ^ Look here ^ | !--X-Content-Type: text/plain -- | !--X-Reference: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- | ^ Look here^ | !--X-Head-End-- '-- The header of the mail I received [mail address deleted]: ,-- [ no msg id ;-)) ] | Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] '-- These are not the real mail addresses but you know what I mean. Nevertheless: I never received any spam with my list-addresses but with others. Not even those addresses which are uploaded on the keyservers with my various PGP-keys received any spam. This may be an indication that concealing the address the way MHonarc does it could be sufficient P.S.: I deleted the domains in the above examples to avoid further possible discussion why I published John's address. -- Best regards, Gerd === Tutorial for using regular expressions with TheBat! www.regenechsen.de --- A user-friendly computer first requires a friendly user. --- now playing: WDR2 :-) Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
DEAD HORSE (was Automated response(?))
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Csaba, @13-Jun-2003, 20:30 +0200 (19:30 UK time) Csaba Kiss [CK] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said MA C'Mon folks! Grow up! Have a dialog!... CK I hate flame-wars just as much you do. But you provoke it ... moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Csaba. This topic has gone way off / too long and I am forced to pronounce it dead. Please take it off-list or to TBOT. For anyone unfamiliar with Dead Horse policy, DEAD means DEAD. NO REPLIES to the list, only off-list or on TBOT. Thank you. /moderator It's a shame that people had to start debating the words used instead of the issues. It was a good topic with serious scope. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. iQA/AwUBPuobsTnkJKuSnc2gEQKmnACeI7Cb72uPFbslg+JUZD3Fe+99EjwAoIKb JfHEBx3SLCAqv/sylfk2cIzS =ULiE -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automated response(?)
Hello Csaba, Friday, June 13, 2003, 1:30:22 PM, you wrote: HMTL mail is here and will stay whatever you declare and even if you were there at the creation of e-mail. Life changes and evolves. E-mail is changing into html. I am glad you can't do anything about it. The fact that it is happening does not make it good or acceptable. Nor does it mean that I have to grant my unlimited stamp of approval to it. I don't use it usually. But sometimes if I need it I use it to enhance my mails. I make few exceptions for HTML email. It's too bad that Outhouse and Outhouse Express have convinced the uninformed masses that HTML email is a good thing and that emails with hideous colors and fonts are good things. However it's even more appalling when someone who should know better uses HTML email. Try to be a little bit more open-minded. People might get to like you. Was this really necessary? I realize that I'm often less civil than I should be, but personal comments like this have no place in this discussion. -- Dave Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: DEAD HORSE (was Automated response(?))
Hello Marck, Friday, June 13, 2003, 1:44:54 PM, you wrote: DEAD means DEAD. Sorry, Marck, I sent my last reply before I got as far as your proclamation. No disrespect intended. -- Dave Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Automated response(?)
Dont get confused by the Subject! When I am sending a Automatic Response using Rules, How can I get it not to quote the origional message? In the Template Editor for the auto response it does not have the %QUOTES tag, that I can see, so how can i not get it to quote?? Thanks for any help... Michael Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
