Re[6]: Idiot Mode
Hi tracer, on Friday, November 26, 1999, 9:39:27 AM GMT+0800, tracer wrote: Thomas I am using a Chinese keyboard . :-) t I thought that meant a special mouse with character pad (g) No, it's a standard 104-key keyboard. You toggle between red, green, blue and black printing on the keys with crtl-shift or crtl-space. (But I'm only using the black printing - English). ;-) -- Best regards, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.38 Beta/6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Swiss German keyboard shortcuts (was Re: Idiot Mode)
On Sunday, November 28, 1999, 1:49:02 AM, tracer wrote: I thought Swiss keyboards were essentially german keyboards with some French characters added in one group. They have some common differences to the US layout, but the difference ist rather big. With the 48 'white keys' (letters, numbers and special characters), there are some 120 different combinations (without Ctrl, just the printable characters). And of these 120 combo are only approximately 85 identical (55 letters, 10 numbers and 20 others) (and of these 85 combos, only about 65 are identical to the US layout) As I mentioned earlier, 99% sure is coupled to ASCII character codes so if you compare the Englisg/USA code with yours, it should be a matter of probably a simple translation excercise of codes to their equivalent stickers on the keys. What do you mean with ASCII character codes? Pressing the key that yields the same ASCII code and then apply the modifier keys? That works only for keys on the same 'layer' (unshifted/shifted). The often used characters /\[];= all need some modifier key on our keyboards, so if you have a Shift-/ or Ctrl-[ there is no simple translation because these Shift or Ctrl are already needed to get the character itself. On the other hand, just pressing the same physical key (same keycode) doesn't work either. Eg. the 'move to next/previous unread' are Ctrl-] / Ctrl-[ for the US layout (the last and second last key in the second row, IIRC). On my keyboard, these are the 'ü' and '¨' keys (the second is the diaeresis dead key). But the correct combo for these two commands are the two keys left of backspace, as i recently found out). The other example, the idiot mode key (US: Shift-Ctrl-Alt-/, / has keycode 61), the German and Swiss combo are each using a different key: German is Shift+Ctrl+Alt+#, # has keycode 51 (is that correct?) Swiss is Shift+Ctrl+Alt+§, § has keycode 49 Now which hidden algorithm ties all this together? Regards Peter -- Peter Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] "U dene n ischs i d Chnöde glöötet wie bschüttigs Chrüzimääl düre Chätschabertrog." - Franz Hohler -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Swiss German keyboard shortcuts (was Re: Idiot Mode)
Sunday, November 28, 1999 Hello Peter, Saturday, Saturday, November 27, 1999, you wrote: Peter On Friday, November 26, 1999, 3:37:30 PM, Jast wrote: If i would only find out the Swiss German combo for "Move to next unread", sigh... Isn't it right next to "Move to last message"? On German keyboard last message is Ctrl+?, next message Ctrl+´ (left of backspace) Peter Thanks, Jast, I've found it, yes it's just left of backspace (Ctrl-^, Peter and previous message is Ctrl-', which is two left of backspace). Peter Now I wonder why the heck TheBat! doesn't show this shortcut on the Peter navigation and context menus. Could it be because ^ is a 'dead key' Peter (means you have to press ^ followed by a space to write one; or if you Peter press ^ and then e, you get ê) on Swiss keyboards? I thought Swiss keyboards were essentially german keyboards with some French characters added in one group. So probably what works on a german keyboard will likely also work on a Swiss keyboard... Unless it involves the special French keys.. Anyway, your best way to get them all documented is to go through Alis list and convert that stuff to whats suitable for your keyboards. As I mentioned earlier, 99% sure is coupled to ASCII character codes so if you compare the Englisg/USA code with yours, it should be a matter of probably a simple translation excercise of codes to their equivalent stickers on the keys. Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38 Beta/3 mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTE: 1 MAILRUN PER DAY ONLY Phone 271194 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Idiot Mode
Morning Peter Steiner, Shift-AltGr-§ Heh, cool, AltGr replaces Ctrl-Alt on German Keyboard too. And vice versa, you can use Strg-Alt for AltGr... If i would only find out the Swiss German combo for "Move to next unread", sigh... Isn't it right next to "Move to last message"? On German keyboard last message is Ctrl+?, next message Ctrl+´ (left of backspace) -- +--Jast |on Windows 98 4.10 Build A :with The Bat! 1.36 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Swiss German keyboard shortcuts (was Re: Idiot Mode)
On Friday, November 26, 1999, 3:37:30 PM, Jast wrote: If i would only find out the Swiss German combo for "Move to next unread", sigh... Isn't it right next to "Move to last message"? On German keyboard last message is Ctrl+?, next message Ctrl+´ (left of backspace) Thanks, Jast, I've found it, yes it's just left of backspace (Ctrl-^, and previous message is Ctrl-', which is two left of backspace). Now I wonder why the heck TheBat! doesn't show this shortcut on the navigation and context menus. Could it be because ^ is a 'dead key' (means you have to press ^ followed by a space to write one; or if you press ^ and then e, you get ê) on Swiss keyboards? Peter -- Peter Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Schtill! Was ziberlet dert näbem Tobelöhli z grachtige n uuf u aab?" - Franz Hohler -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: Idiot Mode
Hello Thomas, Your message from Thursday, November 25, 1999, 04:31: "Idiot Mode" Thomas So Germans have no way of achieving idiot mode? How lucky they are ! -- Liebe Grüße, Bernhardmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[5]: Idiot Mode
\\\|/// / ~ _ \ (- O o -) --oOOo-(_)-oOOo--- Hello Thomas, TF The keys are printed in four colours: green, red and blue for Chinese TF characters and radicals (part-characters, of which most characters are TF composed). Black is for latin letters. They are printed with the TF Amercian lay-out, but that doesn't make it an American keyboard. ok, definit 'not an idiot' :-) seems like ya gotta take a course to be able to read your keyboard :) -- Der Immer Jodelende Schweizer In Lederhosen Roelmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I'll have one brain on drugs with bacon, toast and juice. .oooO ( ) Oooo. --\ (( ) \_)) / (_/ Visit the official site of Enigma at http://www.enigma3.com (it's really worth it!) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Idiot Mode
Hi there!
On 25 Nov 99, at 4:44, Roel wrote
about "Re[3]: Idiot Mode":
TF So Germans have no way of achieving idiot mode?
look at it this way: everyone using a non-american keyboard
is considerd to be 'not an idiot' :-) (probably cause we
figured out to type on a non-american keyboard :-) )
or the other way... everyone with an american keyboard...
(no offense meant) :-)
VBG
But then those working on Macs are genius, probably:-))) Mac
with Swedish keyboard, task: symbol "$". Nowhere absolutely!
Finally found out: three-key combo needed: that funny button
with 4 "ears" on it, "Alt" and "4" (something like that, AFAIR)...
Damn it, I wrote TeX file with lots of math on that Mac:-((( And
in TeX, each and every math formula is *preceeded* with $ or
$$ and succeeded in the same way, too... Nightmare! Same
with "{" and "}"...
SY, Alex
(St.Petersburg, Russia)
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Re[3]: Idiot Mode
Morning Thomas Fernandez, So Germans have no way of achieving idiot mode? Instead of wondering and discussing ;-P I tried out the keys and, tada! The combination on a German keyboard is Shift+Ctrl+Alt+# The key-combos for other keyboards should be similar. :-) -- +--Jast |on Windows 98 4.10 Build A :with The Bat! 1.36 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Idiot Mode
On Thursday, November 25, 1999, 6:44:11 PM, Jast wrote: Morning Thomas Fernandez, So Germans have no way of achieving idiot mode? The combination on a German keyboard is Shift+Ctrl+Alt+# The key-combos for other keyboards should be similar. Swiss German keyboard: Shift+Ctrl+Alt+§ or Shift-AltGr-§. Now I'm allowed to be an idiot too ;-) If i would only find out the Swiss German combo for "Move to next unread", sigh... Peter -- Peter Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Uuuh, isch das e botterepfloorigi Schtrüpfete gsi! Die zwee hei gschwouderet u ghetzpacheret, das si z näbis meh gwüsst hei, wo se der Gürchu zwurglet." - Franz Hohler -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[5]: Idiot Mode
Friday, November 26, 1999 Hello Thomas, Thursday, Thursday, November 25, 1999, you wrote: Thomas Hi Roel, Thomas on Thursday, November 25, 1999, 11:44:19 AM GMT+0800, Roel wrote: TF So Germans have no way of achieving idiot mode? R look at it this way: everyone using a non-american keyboard is R considerd to be 'not an idiot' :-) (probably cause we figured out to R type on a non-american keyboard :-) ) R or the other way... everyone with an american keyboard... R (no offense meant) :-) Thomas I am using a Chinese keyboard . :-) I thought that meant a special mouse with character pad (g) Thomas The keys are printed in four colours: green, red and blue for Chinese Thomas characters and radicals (part-characters, of which most characters are Thomas composed). Black is for latin letters. They are printed with the Thomas Amercian lay-out, but that doesn't make it an American keyboard. Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38 Beta/3 mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTE: 1 MAILRUN PER DAY ONLY Phone 271194 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Idiot Mode
Hi,
On Wednesday, November 24, 1999, 10:15:49 AM, Thomas Fernandez wrote:
Ctrl+Shift+Alt+/ (toggle idiot mode on/off) will take "Folder" off
the menu in the main screen, and some of the choices out of
Account/...
BTW, that's yet another shortcut that doesn't work on some keyboards
(e.g. on a German keyboard the "/" is on the shifted "7", also on
that key is the left curly bracket "{" which may be reached by
pressing Ctrl-Alt-7).
Regards,
Markus
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Re: Idiot Mode
Ctrl+Shift+Alt+/ (toggle idiot mode on/off) will take "Folder" off the menu in the main screen, and some of the choices out of Account/... Perhaps to further signify the software is running in "idiot mode" the bat icon should be replaced with a Microsoft one and the program would immediately bloat to 5 times it's original size! -- - Nick Nick Danger's Complimentary Curse (©¿©): May 529,000 persistent bikers baste pigs in your lungs. Using The Bat! 1.38 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Idiot Mode
Ctrl+Shift+Alt+/ (toggle idiot mode on/off) will take "Folder" off the menu in the main screen, and some of the choices out of Account/... Perhaps to further signify the software is running in "idiot mode" the bat icon should be replaced with a Microsoft one and the program would immediately bloat to 5 times it's original size! -- - Nick Nick Danger's Complimentary Curse (©¿©): May 529,000 persistent bikers baste pigs in your lungs. Using The Bat! 1.38 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Idiot Mode
Hi all, ... TF Ctrl+Shift+Alt+/ (toggle idiot mode on/off) will take "Folder" off the TF menu in the main screen, and some of the choices out of Account/... did somebody already find out what to use on a german keyboard for this nice function? Regards, Wolfgang Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA discussion lists Using The Bat! 1.38 Beta/3 under Windows 95 4.0 Build B in Darmstadt, Germany, on a 166Mhz Cyrix, 128MB SDRAM, half SCSI system ;-) http://people.frankfurt.netsurf.de/wky/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Idiot Mode
In Reference to "Idiot Mode" From Nick Danger: Ctrl+Shift+Alt+/ (toggle idiot mode on/off) will take "Folder" off the menu in the main screen, and some of the choices out of Account/... ND Perhaps to further signify the software is running in "idiot mode" the ND bat icon should be replaced with a Microsoft one and the program would ND immediately bloat to 5 times it's original size! Speaking (ok, writing) of idiot mode. Can anyone explain why that last message might have been sent twice? I check the log and sure enough two instances of it were sent, yet I know I only typed it and hit send once. Any clues? I've seen other messages on this board duped before and wondered about it. -- - Nick Using The Bat! 1.38 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Idiot Mode
Hi Markus,
on Wednesday, November 24, 1999, 11:46:18 PM GMT+0800, Markus Gloede wrote:
Ctrl+Shift+Alt+/ (toggle idiot mode on/off) will take "Folder" off
the menu in the main screen, and some of the choices out of
Account/...
MG BTW, that's yet another shortcut that doesn't work on some keyboards
MG (e.g. on a German keyboard the "/" is on the shifted "7", also on
MG that key is the left curly bracket "{" which may be reached by
MG pressing Ctrl-Alt-7).
So Germans have no way of achieving idiot mode?
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Re[3]: Idiot Mode
\\\|/// / ~ _ \ (- O o -) --oOOo-(_)-oOOo--- Hello Thomas, TF So Germans have no way of achieving idiot mode? look at it this way: everyone using a non-american keyboard is considerd to be 'not an idiot' :-) (probably cause we figured out to type on a non-american keyboard :-) ) or the other way... everyone with an american keyboard... (no offense meant) :-) -- Der Immer Jodelende Schweizer In Lederhosen Roelmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The cigarette does the smoking, YOU'RE just the sucker!! .oooO ( ) Oooo. --\ (( ) \_)) / (_/ Visit the official site of Enigma at http://www.enigma3.com (it's really worth it!) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[4]: Idiot Mode
Hi Roel, on Thursday, November 25, 1999, 11:44:19 AM GMT+0800, Roel wrote: TF So Germans have no way of achieving idiot mode? R look at it this way: everyone using a non-american keyboard is R considerd to be 'not an idiot' :-) (probably cause we figured out to R type on a non-american keyboard :-) ) R or the other way... everyone with an american keyboard... R (no offense meant) :-) I am using a Chinese keyboard . :-) The keys are printed in four colours: green, red and blue for Chinese characters and radicals (part-characters, of which most characters are composed). Black is for latin letters. They are printed with the Amercian lay-out, but that doesn't make it an American keyboard. -- Ciao, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.38 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
