Re: Many, many confusing options for templates with no explanations

[Volker Ahrendt]

[Reply to: »Marek Mikus« · 2009-04-18 · 11:52 h (CET)]

> I do not understand You confusion, do not check buttons You do not
> know, its simple.

BRUHARHAR! You made my day! :-D

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Re: Many, many confusing options for templates with no explanations

[Jim Kyle]

On Saturday, April 18, 2009, at 4:20:47 AM, AC wrote:
> In the same dialog, for each template, there are check boxes for "Use For" 
> "New Messages", "Reply
> Messages", and "Forward messages". However, in each of your Account 
> properties, you have to set up
> templates for all these categories anyway. Again, what's the  difference, and 
> how is each one meant
> to be used? Furthermore, why do i even have to check those options?

I start from the top down. That is, I first set up the templates for my 
accounts (I only use three accounts, and one of those is for archiving old 
messages so it's never used for sending or receiving, hence does not need any 
templates). Then, if I want the same template in both accounts, I set it up as 
a Common Template and in its Options pane, check off both accounts under "Use 
In." This lets me omit that template from both the accounts. The next level 
down is at the "Group" stage. I have several groups of users that get 
specialized templates, stored under the "Group." Finally, there are individual 
templates at the Address Book level, and apply only to the specific user.

When a template is to be used, the program looks first at the Address Book 
level for one specific to the recipient. If there's not one, it looks at the 
groups to which that recipient belongs. If there's still not one, it looks in 
the Common Templates if the account is checked, and finally at the Account 
properties. The first time it finda a template, it's the one used. The only 
ones that have to be there are those in the Account properties. All the rest 
are optional, letting you select special treatment for individual users, for 
user groups, or everyone. In my case, most of the template properties provided 
are left blank. Only a few Address Book templates are used, a couple of groups 
get special treatment, and most of my Quick Templates are specific to one 
account or the other although in all of them I have "Use In" checked for both 
because I created most of them before learning about the Common Templates. I 
don't use the QTINCLUDE macro a lot, but it's nice to have available.

I hope this helps a bit; I agree that the documentation leaves much to be 
desired, mostly because so much of what does exist is obsolete and no longer 
valid. There is a conventional online forum, but my experience has been that 
the mailing lists are so much more helpful that I've not logged into that forum 
for many weeks now and when I do, I don't find much of interest. One of the 
reasons for lack of documentation is the lack of a common language; the user 
base here is the most internationalized of all the programs I use. I understand 
that if I were able to read Russian I could find more information on line 
(since that's the native language of the developers). This is a problem for 
many other programs as well; that's why the mailing lists continue to be the 
most reliable data sources.

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Re: Many, many confusing options for templates with no explanations

[Marek Mikus]

Hello all,
Saturday, April 18, 2009, AC wrote:

> I  have  huge  problems  with  templates because there are many confusing
> options  and difficult to find documentation.  So, I'm just going to list
> my several questions on templates that have been bugging me:

what huge problems are You speaking about?

> There's  a "Common Templates" section in the quick templates dialog.  But
> every template also has a checkbox for "share with other accounts".  This
> is confusing.  What's the difference?  How does each work?

Common templates section in QT editor is available allways for viewing and
editing, even You are logged to program as administrator or user.

When You log into program via account with "user" rights, You will see
specific QTs and Common templates, but if there are some shared templates
from other accounts, You can use them from main toolbar, where is a small
arrow for displaying and using them. So they can be used, but not edited.

> In  the  same  dialog,  for each template, there are check boxes for "Use
> For"  "New Messages", "Reply Messages", and "Forward messages".  However,
> in  each of your Account properties, you have to set up templates for all
> these  categories  anyway.  Again, what's the difference, and how is each
> one meant to be used?

as in previous answer, You can add a flag to a quick template about its
purpose, so if You check "New messages and Mass Mailing", You will see it
in New message dropdown and in Address Book for sending Mass mailing, if
You check "Reply messages", You will see it in Reply button dropdown.

> Furthermore, why do i even have to check those options?!  Whenever I want
> to  use a quick template inside another template, I can always do so with
> the  QINCLUDE function, right?  I don't have to check those boxes at all.
> Very, very confusing.

I do not understand You confusion, do not check buttons You do not know,
its simple.

> Is  there somewhere that lists all the template functions in some kind of
> organized  fashion?   I'm  talking all the functions and how to use them?
> For example, the ISSIGNATURE command makes no sense to me whatsoever.

look to help, macros like ISSIGNATURE are explained there.

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Many, many confusing options for templates with no explanations

[AC]

I have huge problems with templates because there are many confusing options 
and difficult to find
documentation. So, I'm just going to list my several questions on templates 
that have been bugging
me:

There's a "Common Templates" section in the quick templates dialog. But every 
template also has a
checkbox for "share with other accounts". This is confusing. What's the 
difference? How does each
work?

In the same dialog, for each template, there are check boxes for "Use For" "New 
Messages", "Reply
Messages", and "Forward messages". However, in each of your Account properties, 
you have to set up
templates for all these categories anyway. Again, what's the difference, and 
how is each one meant
to be used? Furthermore, why do i even have to check those options?! Whenever I 
want to use a quick
template inside another template, I can always do so with the QINCLUDE 
function, right? I don't have
to check those boxes at all. Very, very confusing.

Is there somewhere that lists all the template functions in some kind of 
organized fashion? I'm
talking all the functions and how to use them? For example, the ISSIGNATURE 
command makes no sense
to me whatsoever.

Thanks for all the advice. I love the Bat, but there seriously needs to be a 
more convenient place
to find answers to these questions besides mailing lists newsgroups. A good 
help file would be
ideal. but I understand if that's not the developer's priority. At least a 
normal web forum or
something. Newsgroups and mailing lists are old-school. I still haven't set up 
my newsreader to be
able to reply to messages...all I can do is create a new message right now. OK, 
I'm done!

-- 
AC




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