Re[2]: RE checkbox in 'options'?
On Tuesday, August 29, 2000, 9:52:16 PM, you wrote: JA One has to check Regular Expressions when one is using regular JA expressions. Check out the help file, it does deal with regular JA expressions fairly well. It has a nice summary of RE's, I agree. The confusion, for me, comes from mixing RE chrs with other concepts. For example, the [ ] and | chrs are RE chrs as well. Since these are used in 'signal strings', and so are RE's, I wondered if one had to check the RE box to actually get []| to work correctly. What do you do to use BOTH "special syntax", as seems to be required, AND RE, for example, since both use the same chrs? Thanks, ztradermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: RE checkbox in 'options'?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi ztrader, On 30 August 2000 at 06:21:47 GMT -0700 (which was 14:21 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject of "RE checkbox in 'options'?": JA One has to check Regular Expressions when one is using regular JA expressions. Check out the help file, it does deal with regular JA expressions fairly well. z It has a nice summary of RE's, I agree. The confusion, for me, comes z from mixing RE chrs with other concepts. For example, the [ ] and | z chrs are RE chrs as well. Since these are used in 'signal strings', z and so are RE's, I wondered if one had to check the RE box to z actually get []| to work correctly. z What do you do to use BOTH "special syntax", as seems to be required, z AND RE, for example, since both use the same chrs? They are mutually exclusive :-). Either you use special characters for simple logic or you use regular expressions (which do everything the specials do and *then* some) for more complex pattern matching. - -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone | Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY Kids Stuff: Thunder is a rich source of loudness. TB! v1.46 Beta/3 S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness! iQA/AwUBOa0OHjnkJKuSnc2gEQKJ5gCfSy5nOKpYvfuW5oucWQgDQj36CK0AoKye +mmJqAWWQedlHH0y7U2FhoVF =ENP0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: RE checkbox in 'options'?
On Wednesday, August 30, 2000, 6:21:47 AM, ztrader wrote: It has a nice summary of RE's, I agree. The confusion, for me, comes from mixing RE chrs with other concepts. For example, the [ ] and | chrs are RE chrs as well. Since these are used in 'signal strings', and so are RE's, I wondered if one had to check the RE box to actually get []| to work correctly. No. And it's inherently clear if you understand how the two search methods work. Many don't, however, and I agree that the help file could be made clearer. What do you do to use BOTH "special syntax", as seems to be required, AND RE, for example, since both use the same chrs? In the case of pipe (vertical bar) character, it means "OR" with or without RE, so it doesn't matter. Square bracket pair does mean different things, and if RE is enabled, the special usage of RE preempts the non-RE usage. The reason is simple. With simple search (without RE), square bracket pair means "whole word match" or "exact match", in contrast to "partial match", which is the default, with or without RE. I.e., a filter string of "ztrad" (without the quotation marks) would match "ztrader". With simple search, you use a square bracket pair to prevent that. With RE, you have several ways to achieve the same effect (e.g., ^ztrad$), and square brackets are reserved for another purpose. Don't worry if you find RE complicated. Many do. You don't really need to be an expert (I'm certainly not one) to make good use of it. Of course, the better you get hold of it, the more power it gives you. But for most users, a little knowledge of it would be enough to achieve what we want. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: RE checkbox in 'options'?
On Wednesday, August 30, 2000, 6:37:23 AM, you wrote: MDP They are mutually exclusive :-). Either you use special characters for MDP simple logic or you use regular expressions (which do everything the MDP specials do and *then* some) for more complex pattern matching. A reworded version of the above would be a nice addition to the help file :-). From the many helpful replies on this list, the concept behind TB is becoming clear to me. I assume that the and/or relationship between 'rules' and 'alternatives' also holds when using RE's - true? An interface thought... If the RE box is checked, the 'rules' and 'alternatives' tabs are replaced by a single RE tab. This might be more clear and avoid confusion between the two. Also would give a larger area for complex RE's to be seen and edited. Thought 2... Would it be possible to use an add-on to do part of the filtering? I now have a procmail script (not mine) that does a great job of 'scoring' spam by numeric techniques. It will spot spam, even when addressed directly to me, perhaps 80-90% of the time. If this could be included in TB it would be a killer add-on, IMHO. Would it possible to run perl, or VB, or ??, for example, "inside" TB? Thanks, ztradermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: RE checkbox in 'options'?
On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 07:21:38 -0700, ztrader wrote: snip z An interface thought... If the RE box is checked, the 'rules' and z 'alternatives' tabs are replaced by a single RE tab. This might be z more clear and avoid confusion between the two. Also would give a z larger area for complex RE's to be seen and edited. You may still wish to filter using more than one regular expression so the 'AND' and 'Alternative' string support shouldn't be removed when RE's are being used. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Portable: survives system reboot. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: RE checkbox in 'options'?
Hello ztrader, On Tuesday, August 29, 2000 at 20:31:04 GMT -0700 (which was 8:31 PM where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: When does one have to check the Regular Expressions box in the options section of a rule? What does it do? One has to check Regular Expressions when one is using regular expressions. Check out the help file, it does deal with regular expressions fairly well. If you need help with a more specific expression, there are some RE gurus on this list. To find the help in the help file, select Help - Help Topics Then under the contents tab, select Regular expressions. For some reason, this topic is not accessible from the Index tab. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
