Re: ROT13 support

2002-06-26 Thread Mike Apsey

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Thomas,

Wednesday, June 26, 2002, 2:10:59 AM, you wrote in 
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TF> Hello Mike,

TF> On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:32:43 -0400 GMT (26/06/02, 08:32 +0700 GMT),
TF> Mike Apsey wrote:

MA>> Quite easy to read with Agent installed and a copy/paste. ROT-13 is,
MA>> of course, a good over-the-shoulder security feature but that's it.

TF> I don't see it as a security feature but a toy, which is sometimes
TF> fun.

TF> V pna nqq pbzzragf gung arjovrf pna'g ernq. Be pna gurl?

One more try on the problem post to see if disabling the PGP wrap
works. Thank you for bearing with me and the help.

My incoming mail server has been only intermittently  available since
our deluge of Monday past here in Tampa but I am able to read replies
to my posted word-wrap thread through the web.

So we shall see with this one. This list has its own templates, thus
posting to it for a real test makes it a bit easier.

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Re[3]: ROT13 support

2002-06-26 Thread Gary

Hello Kurgan,

Tuesday, June 25, 2002, 6:27:21 PM, you wrote:



KLc> Just curious, but what exactly *is* rot13? Sounds interesting.


ROT13 is a method of 'encrypting' messages.  Well, ok, it really is
encryption, buts its such a weak form of it its not used for security.
The ROT stands for rotate, and 13 is the number of places.  IE, rotate
each charector 13 spaces through the alphabet.  Thus A becomes N, B
becomes O and so forth.  ROT(n) stands for rotate N letters, so you
can ROT14 if you wanted.  The benifit of ROT13 is that the english
language has 26 letters, so rather than having to have 2 programs(or
functions) - one for encrypting and one for decrypting, you can
instead use the same function to encrypt and decrypt(first pass, A
becomes N, second pass N becomes A)

It's main usage was for spoilers, flames, etc.  The idea being you
'encrypt' potentially offensive messages sent to public mailing
lists/newsgroups as a warning for those easily offended.  If someone
goes to the effort of decrypting your post and takes offense at the
content - well, they WERE warned.

I also see it used as an alternate method of encryping email
addresses.  I've seen a number of posts on usenet where the signature
is 'echo  | rot13'. Which is a unixish type
way of saying send this text through the rot13 program to find out my
email address.  A simple method of spambot avoidance, similiar to the
way many people encrypt email addresses for mailto links.

Its not a secure mechanism, but as long as MOST people aren't using
such methods, spambots will continue to be written to find only the
easy fish.


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Re: ROT13 support

2002-06-26 Thread Mike Apsey

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Thomas,

Wednesday, June 26, 2002, 2:10:59 AM, you wrote in
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MA>> Quite easy to read with Agent installed and a copy/paste. ROT-13
is,
MA>> of course, a good over-the-shoulder security feature but that's
it.

TF> I don't see it as a security feature but a toy, which is sometimes
TF> fun.

TF> V pna nqq pbzzragf gung arjovrf pna'g ernq. Be pna gurl?

Excuse  me  list.  I  see I had some quoted text wrapping issues on my
other  response  to  this  message  and  so  thought I would make some
adjustments  to  my  wrap  settings  and  try again on one known to be
wrap-challenged.

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Re: ROT13 support

2002-06-26 Thread Mike Apsey

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Thomas,

Wednesday, June 26, 2002, 2:10:59 AM, you wrote in
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MA>> Quite easy to read with Agent installed and a copy/paste. ROT-13
is,
MA>> of course, a good over-the-shoulder security feature but that's
it.

TF> I don't see it as a security feature but a toy, which is sometimes
TF> fun.

I sometimes use it when writing to friends/family with computers in
high traffic areas as a prying-eyes caution, that's what I meant. I
think using the word "security" was a poor choice and you are correct
that it's just a toy although it could possibly trip-up some kiddie
packet-sniffers.

TF> V pna nqq pbzzragf gung arjovrf pna'g ernq. Be pna gurl?

Safe to say this TB! newbie can. :-)

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Re: ROT13 support

2002-06-26 Thread Mike Apsey

Januk,

Tuesday, June 25, 2002, 10:45:49 PM, you wrote in
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MA>> MUA = TB! v%THEBATVERSION (www.RitLabs.com/the_bat)
MA>> %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME
MA>> %WINDOWSMAJORVERSION.%WINDOWSMINORVERSION.%WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER
MA>> (%WINDOWSCSDVERSION)
MA>> DH/DSS PGP Key: http://home.tampabay.rr.com/musings/ -or-
MA>> DH/DSS PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=key_request

JA> It looks like you put your template in an odd place. My bet is
JA> that you have a signature file and you used %PUT to insert it into
JA> your reply. If that's the case, change %PUT to %INCLUDE.

Thank you. I think what I did was to that into the message instead of
my template like an idiot. I was fiddling with my templates and
updating them.

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Re: ROT13 support

2002-06-26 Thread Jernej Simončič

Hello Thomas,
 
26. junij 2002, 8:10:59, you wrote:

TF> V pna nqq pbzzragf gung arjovrf pna'g ernq. Be pna gurl?

I'd say that ROT13 is useful if your message contains spoilers, naq
lbh jbhyqa'g jnag crbcyr gb frr gurz hayrff gurl jnag gb.

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Re[2]: ROT13 support

2002-06-25 Thread Kurgan

Hello Thomas,

TF> V pna nqq pbzzragf gung arjovrf pna'g ernq. Be pna gurl?

V'z n Ebg13 arjovr, naq V'ir tbg vg! Jubbubb! Guvf pregnvayl pbhyq
or sha. V jvfu vg pbhyq or "cyhttrq-va" gb Gur Ong!


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Re: ROT13 support

2002-06-25 Thread Thomas F

Hello Mike,

On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:32:43 -0400 GMT (26/06/02, 08:32 +0700 GMT),
Mike Apsey wrote:

MA> Quite easy to read with Agent installed and a copy/paste. ROT-13 is,
MA> of course, a good over-the-shoulder security feature but that's it.

I don't see it as a security feature but a toy, which is sometimes
fun.

V pna nqq pbzzragf gung arjovrf pna'g ernq. Be pna gurl?

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Re: ROT13 support

2002-06-25 Thread Thomas F

Hello Gary,

On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 12:25:42 -0400 GMT (25/06/02, 23:25 +0700 GMT),
Gary wrote:

G> Hmm, the file attachment came through just fine on my message.

Not here, at least not yet.

G> I can use it to translate an entire message, including headers, into
G> ROT13 format.  But then, with the headers in ROT13 format, the message
G> is than unsendable.

That is true. :-(

I use the following work-around: I create a message (like the one you
replied to), and create anotehr one, this one encoded in ROT13, save
it as draft, and then c&p the encoded fragment into the message I am
composing. (The saved message gets moved into trash.)

G> Ideally, I'd like to just select some text and have it ROT13'd.
G> Alternatively, if just the body of the message was encoded that would
G> work.

Yes, I'd like that too.

G> Worst case, I can modify a perl script and create an outgoing email
G> filter.  Something like if ---EncodeROT--- is present, than run the
G> perl script with the message as a parm, and ROT13 everything between
G> the ---encode--- and -stopencode-- flags.

Yes you could. It seems a bit more work than my method, though.

G> Or I can just continue to use CGI web sites and cut and paste.  IE the
G> lazy route.

That's the lazy route? I must be over-lazy. 

Pna lbh ernq guvf be abg?

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Re: ROT13 support

2002-06-25 Thread Jernej Simončič

Hello Gary,
 
25. junij 2002, 18:25:42, you wrote:

G> Ran it, seems to work, but doesn't seem to provide what I want.

These two QT's were published on TBtech once:

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Re[2]: ROT13 support

2002-06-25 Thread Gary

Hello Thomas,

Tuesday, June 25, 2002, 12:09:58 PM, you wrote:

TF> Hello Gary,

TF> On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:35:15 -0400 GMT (25/06/02, 21:35 +0700 GMT),
TF> Gary wrote:

G>> I can't find this function in The Bat.  Am I just overlooking it, or
G>> is it wisely not supported since its old old old and hardly used?

TF> I have tried to attach the registry key that you need to import in
TF> order to enable TB to use ROT13, but I seem to be unalbe to send
TF> attachments.

Hmm, the file attachment came through just fine on my message.

Ran it, seems to work, but doesn't seem to provide what I want.

I can use it to translate an entire message, including headers, into
ROT13 format.  But then, with the headers in ROT13 format, the message
is than unsendable.

Ideally, I'd like to just select some text and have it ROT13'd.
Alternatively, if just the body of the message was encoded that would
work.

Worst case, I can modify a perl script and create an outgoing email
filter.  Something like if ---EncodeROT--- is present, than run the
perl script with the message as a parm, and ROT13 everything between
the ---encode--- and -stopencode-- flags.

Or I can just continue to use CGI web sites and cut and paste.  IE the
lazy route.

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Re: ROT13 support

2002-06-25 Thread Thomas F

Hello Gary,

On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:35:15 -0400 GMT (25/06/02, 21:35 +0700 GMT),
Gary wrote:

G> I can't find this function in The Bat.  Am I just overlooking it, or
G> is it wisely not supported since its old old old and hardly used?

I have tried to attach the registry key that you need to import in
order to enable TB to use ROT13, but I seem to be unalbe to send
attachments.

Therefore, in plain text: If you use Win98, c&p the following into
Notepad (or your favourite plaintext editor), name it rot13.reg and
double-click on it while TB is closed. It will install ROT13
capability into TB upon next startup. Look under "character set" when
you right-click on an incoming message, or Options / Message Encoding
when compsing a message.


REGEDIT4

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat!\XLT\ROT13]
@="ROT13"
"Order"=dword:000e
"Table"=hex:00,01,02,03,04,05,06,07,08,09,0a,0b,0c,0d,0e,0f,10,11,12,13,14,15,\
  16,17,18,19,1a,1b,1c,1d,1e,1f,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,2a,2b,2c,2d,2e,\
  2f,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,3a,3b,3c,3d,3e,3f,40,4e,4f,50,51,52,53,54,\
  55,56,57,58,59,5a,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49,4a,4b,4c,4d,5b,5c,5d,5e,5f,60,\
  6e,6f,70,71,72,73,74,75,76,77,78,79,7a,61,62,63,64,65,66,67,68,69,6a,6b,6c,\
  6d,7b,7c,7d,7e,7f,80,81,82,83,84,85,86,87,88,89,8a,8b,8c,8d,8e,8f,90,91,92,\
  93,94,95,96,97,98,99,9a,9b,9c,9d,9e,9f,a0,a1,a2,a3,a4,a5,a6,a7,a8,a9,aa,ab,\
  ac,ad,ae,af,b0,b1,b2,b3,b4,b5,b6,b7,b8,b9,ba,bb,bc,bd,be,bf,c0,c1,c2,c3,c4,\
  c5,c6,c7,c8,c9,ca,cb,cc,cd,ce,cf,d0,d1,d2,d3,d4,d5,d6,d7,d8,d9,da,db,dc,dd,\
  de,df,e0,e1,e2,e3,e4,e5,e6,e7,e8,e9,ea,eb,ec,ed,ee,ef,f0,f1,f2,f3,f4,f5,f6,\
  f7,f8,f9,fa,fb,fc,fd,fe,ff
"Reverse table"=hex:00,01,02,03,04,05,06,07,08,09,0a,0b,0c,0d,0e,0f,10,11,12,\
  13,14,15,16,17,18,19,1a,1b,1c,1d,1e,1f,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,2a,2b,\
  2c,2d,2e,2f,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,3a,3b,3c,3d,3e,3f,40,4e,4f,50,51,\
  52,53,54,55,56,57,58,59,5a,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49,4a,4b,4c,4d,5b,5c,5d,\
  5e,5f,60,6e,6f,70,71,72,73,74,75,76,77,78,79,7a,61,62,63,64,65,66,67,68,69,\
  6a,6b,6c,6d,7b,7c,7d,7e,7f,80,81,82,83,84,85,86,87,88,89,8a,8b,8c,8d,8e,8f,\
  90,91,92,93,94,95,96,97,98,99,9a,9b,9c,9d,9e,9f,a0,a1,a2,a3,a4,a5,a6,a7,a8,\
  a9,aa,ab,ac,ad,ae,af,b0,b1,b2,b3,b4,b5,b6,b7,b8,b9,ba,bb,bc,bd,be,bf,c0,c1,\
  c2,c3,c4,c5,c6,c7,c8,c9,ca,cb,cc,cd,ce,cf,d0,d1,d2,d3,d4,d5,d6,d7,d8,d9,da,\
  db,dc,dd,de,df,e0,e1,e2,e3,e4,e5,e6,e7,e8,e9,ea,eb,ec,ed,ee,ef,f0,f1,f2,f3,\
  f4,f5,f6,f7,f8,f9,fa,fb,fc,fd,fe,ff
"Script"=dword:0001


Cyrnfr pbasvez lbh pna ernq guvf. ;-)

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Re: ROT13 support

2002-06-25 Thread Thomas F

Hello Gary,

On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:35:15 -0400 GMT (25/06/02, 21:35 +0700 GMT),
Gary wrote:

G> I can't find this function in The Bat.  Am I just overlooking it, or
G> is it wisely not supported since its old old old and hardly used?

If you are using Win98, unpack the attachment and double-click on it.
It will give you ROT13 as one of the encoding/decoding options. :-)

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Re: ROT13 support

2002-06-25 Thread Markus Gloede

Hi,

Gary wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

> Ok, I know very few people use ROT13 these days, but I do find it
> usefull occassionaly to 'encrypt' flame bait so as to keep it from
> bothering people on a list yet still feel like I had my say.

> [...] If its not supported, anyone know of a nice plug in that I could
> use? And heck, if I'm using a plug in, is there one that will do ROT(N)
> so I can be even a little more off the wall?

There used to be an XLAT table for just that purpose.

(Later)

Ah yes, there it is: http://www.guenther-eisele.de/bat/index_e.htm

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ROT13 support

2002-06-25 Thread Gary

Hello tbudl,

Ok, I know very few people use ROT13 these days, but I do find it
usefull occassionaly to 'encrypt' flame bait so as to keep it from
bothering people on a list yet still feel like I had my say.

I can't find this function in The Bat.  Am I just overlooking it, or
is it wisely not supported since its old old old and hardly used?

If its not supported, anyone know of a nice plug in that I could use?
And heck, if I'm using a plug in, is there one that will do ROT(N) so
I can be even a little more off the wall?

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