Re: Attachments open with a different name
MFPA @ 2006-6-13 3:40:27 PM "Attachments open with a different name" Another benefit I just realize after adding the paragraph above (after queuing to send): The Bat! will automatically strip out the old signature and re-sign the edited message. >>> Benefit of PGP/MIME, I take it? >> Yes. > Hold on - doesn't that happen with PGP-inline too? Not in my experience. If I forget to trip out the in-line PGP stuff, and re-enable signing, I'll get an invalid signature if I try to verify the signature. -- Chris Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. ((lambda (x) (x x)) (lambda (x) (x x))) pgpFuEGTt2SrG.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Attachments open with a different name
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hi On Thursday 8 June 2006 at 2:43:37 AM, in , Chris wrote: >> You don't anyway. Just reply and the "-BEGIN PGP SIGNED >> MESSAGE-" has disappeared. Oops. No it hasn't. Sorry, my bad. >> The cut mark still works after gaining an extra dash space at >> the beginning, so I should think all is hunky dory... That bit is true, though. > I don't experience that. I have to delete it every time. Do you have > some fancy REGEX that you use in your template? No. >> Unless you actually verify the PGP signature. This seems leave a cut >> mark missing the trailing space and therefore non-functional. Same >> happens if you decrypt a (non-MIME) PGP-encrypted message. To clarify the point, the PGP sig is of course gone but the conventional sig remains. >> Can anybody reproduce this? > Cannot confirm using GnuPG 1.4.2.2 Using PGP 8.1 with TB!'s v5,6,7,8 built-in support. >>> Another benefit I just realize after adding the paragraph above >>> (after queuing to send): The Bat! will automatically strip out the >>> old signature and re-sign the edited message. >> Benefit of PGP/MIME, I take it? > Yes. Hold on - doesn't that happen with PGP-inline too? - -- Best regards, MFPA We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.2.2 Comment: "" iQCVAwUBRI8Uw6ipC46tDG5pAQGZyQP/eViGvrD7SLCRL3vkTEpQiGxFQpv8kUvS a+l+DLhVstM7K/lfbBjZFzgXmzPeJhrz9cU9nG1iDzq7JfSr4X1Pk9bz+nz7Ro+y j+o1zrwc4dUIbvDMxUvXB0xquMj2jgADxU4GQBW4GxLMi4WCNDncQtOnAmOuW6zZ G8tHHtPlgOY= =rEpt -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Attachments open with a different name
Hello Chris,
On Wed, 7 Jun 2006 you wrote in
C> I don't experience that. I have to delete it every time. Do you have
C> some fancy REGEX that you use in your template?
Try adding this one to your reply template. Its' in the macro list
somewhere, can't remember where, but it strips everything out on the
reply:
%QUOTES='%SETPATTREGEXP="(?is)%-
((\s*)?\n?-BEGIN PGP SIGNED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?%-
(\s*(Dear|Hi|Hello|Hey|Greetings|Howdy) \S*?\s*\n+)?%-
(-+[\S ]+\n)?%-
(.*?)(^(%-
- -*?\s*?--\s*\n|%-
_{40,}\s*\n|%-
-{40,}\s*\n|%-
\n-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE.*s?\n|%-
--+\s+.*roups.*~--\>)|%-
\n\nYour use of|%-
\n+Get your FREE download|%-
\nNote that the email address of the sender has been changed|%-
\n---\nOutgoing mail is certified Virus Free.|%-
\z)"%REGEXPBLINDMATCH="%text"%SUBPATT="7"'
--
Regards,
Richard
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Re: Attachments open with a different name
MFPA @ 2006-6-07 8:15:26 PM "Attachments open with a different name" > You don't anyway. Just reply and the "-BEGIN PGP SIGNED > MESSAGE-" has disappeared. The cut mark still works after > gaining an extra dash space at the beginning, so I should think all > is hunky dory... I don't experience that. I have to delete it every time. Do you have some fancy REGEX that you use in your template? > Unless you actually verify the PGP signature. This seems leave a cut > mark missing the trailing space and therefore non-functional. Same > happens if you decrypt a (non-MIME) PGP-encrypted message. > Can anybody reproduce this? Cannot confirm using GnuPG 1.4.2.2 > We all seem to manage ignoring the HTML attachment many people send > along with a few lines of text, as well as the screenfuls of > disclaimers at the bottom of messages sent from corporate systems. > (-; Don't we all know... >> Another benefit I just realize after adding the paragraph above >> (after queuing to send): The Bat! will automatically strip out the >> old signature and re-sign the edited message. > Benefit of PGP/MIME, I take it? Yes. -- Chris Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. "There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish sometimes." -The Doctor pgpMG8RL4k6Jb.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Attachments open with a different name
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Hi On Wednesday 7 June 2006 at 12:26:42 AM, in , Chris wrote: > it makes replying to your messages easier (I don't have to > manually delete the -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- and > related text. You don't anyway. Just reply and the "-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-" has disappeared. The cut mark still works after gaining an extra dash space at the beginning, so I should think all is hunky dory... Unless you actually verify the PGP signature. This seems leave a cut mark missing the trailing space and therefore non-functional. Same happens if you decrypt a (non-MIME) PGP-encrypted message. Can anybody reproduce this? I may log it on issue tracker in a few days if I have the time, as I am sure this behaviour cannot be by design. > However, I agree with you for the most part. Most people seem to be > able to ignore the -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-, but can't seem > to ignore the "mystery attachment" their e-mail client displays for a > PGP MIME message. We all seem to manage ignoring the HTML attachment many people send along with a few lines of text, as well as the screenfuls of disclaimers at the bottom of messages sent from corporate systems. (-; > Another benefit I just realize after adding the paragraph above (after > queuing to send): The Bat! will automatically strip out the old > signature and re-sign the edited message. Benefit of PGP/MIME, I take it? Here, an inline-signed PGP message keeps the "-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-" but the cut mark works so the PGP sig is not quoted in the reply. ( Provided you do not verify the sig). If you do verify the sig, the "-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-" goes and so does the PGP sig but due to the broken cut mark the ordinary (non-PGP) signature appears in the reply . - -- Best regards, MFPA Yellow snow is not lemon flavoured Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.2.2 Comment: "" iQCVAwUBRIdsQqipC46tDG5pAQMznQP/QURaO4q2GEOp3CTW3GpsXr1arD355ja0 3Z7jhpMBHy1I+G/+VysHtfTUL1XYgNBSiGkPGMXwzUbiNkF3DdALNFemHTVdl5k2 GakyTKwhzOyXHLuuu3spXkzgrcJryG6+pLmO17K6+qYkzkXRgkN7pMQJFznO3gDE QH6iNraMWYI= =BQG5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Attachments open with a different name
MFPA @ 2006-6-06 5:44:31 PM "Attachments open with a different name" >> Do you think that you could turn on PGP MIME for this list? > Why? I dislike it intensely. Since our e-mail client can handle it nicely (i.e., it knows it's there, but doesn't show it), it makes replying to your messages easier (I don't have to manually delete the -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- and related text. However, I agree with you for the most part. Most people seem to be able to ignore the -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-, but can't seem to ignore the "mystery attachment" their e-mail client displays for a PGP MIME message. Another benefit I just realize after adding the paragraph above (after queuing to send): The Bat! will automatically strip out the old signature and re-sign the edited message. -- Chris Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. A .44 magnum beats four aces. pgplos7intKIx.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Attachments open with a different name
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hi On Tuesday 6 June 2006 at 1:54:02 AM, in , Chris wrote: > Do you think that you could turn on PGP MIME for this list? Why? I dislike it intensely. - -- Best regards, MFPA The truth is out there. Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.2.2 Comment: "" iQCVAwUBRIX3RaipC46tDG5pAQEj0gQArCObRzuop6vi2ZKi+PW5kq9mxDRdNoLM 7byqhqVqzHeVnZyOJRBticeXDPqb/6GLB6Edo0AdelLmcoZrrbUszr8Zw7NsVzvf V7IAfFI7R0f009OIETXivzhfduliBSFfqqLhtoqTSUqyY9N+3QRd/LZ5M7A2IZiA An31KlHdWWI= =LXeq -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Attachments open with a different name
MFPA @ 2006-6-05 8:17:07 PM "Attachments open with a different name" > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Do you think that you could turn on PGP MIME for this list? >> When The Bat! is extracting/decoding the file, it stores it in the >> temporary folder. Lest The Bat! overwrite some other application's >> temporary file, it uses a random, unique filename. > Why use the random/unique string as the filename? It could be the > name for a folder containing the file. I don't know. It's probably the return from GetTempFileName(). -- Chris Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. You can go anywhere you want if you look serious and carry a clipboard. pgpJv2AawJZt6.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Attachments open with a different name
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hi On Monday 5 June 2006 at 9:05:33 PM, in , Chris wrote: > When The Bat! is extracting/decoding the file, it stores it in the > temporary folder. Lest The Bat! overwrite some other application's > temporary file, it uses a random, unique filename. Why use the random/unique string as the filename? It could be the name for a folder containing the file. - -- Best regards, MFPA Always borrow money from a pessimist - they don't expect it back Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.2.2 Comment: "" iQCVAwUBRITJhqipC46tDG5pAQFQTQP/VHxJGLR3UElqN3Ha4EMYFFMHM4Qs9GHB 01Beg/vQ7giGFSSg+UqgUWgcdUyo9p2RLmrCJdRzfpVodrfnUtBGjlpm2ScsJY0O x9LUxz00Zqqj8c0j2S+Scy9nGyUDHwhrJKQlm7vtWeoay1SJlAxmqdBpnzjA8J1o bpZfIH0UGF8= =vOYm -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Attachments open with a different name
Robin Anson @ 2006-6-04 11:23:39 PM "Attachments open with a different name" >> I don't think it is directly a bug. TB must deal with the temporary >> files somehow. > True, but why not in the same way it does with attachments stored > separately? When The Bat! is extracting/decoding the file, it stores it in the temporary folder. Lest The Bat! overwrite some other application's temporary file, it uses a random, unique filename. -- Chris Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. It's hard to write foolproof software because there are so many fools, and they are very inventive. pgp3Ss3leMF1e.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Attachments open with a different name
On Mon, 5 Jun 2006 at 10:32:09 +0200, Alexander wrote: >> True, but why not in the same way it does with attachments stored >> separately? > > I am not Ritlabs and can't answer that. :-) That's okay, it was a rhetorical question anyway. ;-) -- Robin Using The Bat! v3.80.06 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Popfile v0.22.4 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Attachments open with a different name
Hello Robin Anson & everyone else, on 05-Jun-2006 at 05:23 you (Robin Anson) wrote: >> I don't think it is directly a bug. TB must deal with the temporary >> files somehow. > True, but why not in the same way it does with attachments stored > separately? I am not Ritlabs and can't answer that. :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) It is a condition which confronts us - not a theory. -- Grover Cleveland Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Attachments open with a different name
Hello MFPA & everyone else, on 05-Jun-2006 at 01:28 you (MFPA) wrote: >> If you store the attachments in the message body, the attachment must >> be extracted from the messagebase and saved as a temporary file >> before opening it. Thats the "different name" you're seeing. > Other mail clients I use / have used normally manage to give the > temporary file the same filename as the attachment itself. And other mail clients I use give a temporary filename just like TB. :-) > Storing separately has always seemed awkward to me. YMMV of course > (-; No, I store attachments in the messagebase as well. Its just not important for me what the attachments name is when I open it from within TB. If I want to keep it, I save it to my harddisk anyway and, depending on the size, remove it from the message in TB. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes. -- Mark Twain Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Attachments open with a different name
On Sun, 4 Jun 2006 at 23:12:13 +0200, Alexander wrote: > If you store the attachments in the message body, the attachment must be > extracted from the messagebase and saved as a temporary file before > opening it. Thats the "different name" you're seeing. > > If you select to store attachments separately, the attachement can be > opened directly. If you receive multiple messages with the same > attachment, the filename will still not match the attachment, because in > that case, TB adds a number to the filename to distinguish between the > different attachments from different messages. <...snip...> > I don't think it is directly a bug. TB must deal with the temporary > files somehow. True, but why not in the same way it does with attachments stored separately? -- Robin Using The Bat! v3.80.06 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Popfile v0.22.4 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Attachments open with a different name
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hi On Sunday 4 June 2006 at 10:12:13 PM, in , Alexander S. Kunz wrote: > If you store the attachments in the message body, the attachment must be > extracted from the messagebase and saved as a temporary file before > opening it. Thats the "different name" you're seeing. Other mail clients I use / have used normally manage to give the temporary file the same filename as the attachment itself. > If you select to store attachments separately, the attachement can be > opened directly. If you receive multiple messages with the same > attachment, the filename will still not match the attachment, because in > that case, TB adds a number to the filename to distinguish between the > different attachments from different messages. Storing separately has always seemed awkward to me. YMMV of course (-; >> I have reported this at https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5901 > I don't think it is directly a bug. TB must deal with the temporary > files somehow. Bug or otherwise, it is a *slight* inconvenience / irritation. Whilst TB! names the temp file with a string of letters and numbers, another mail client I use stores the temp file _with the original attachment name_ in a temp folder named with a string of letters/numbers. - -- Best regards, MFPA Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals. Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.2.2 Comment: "" iQCVAwUBRINs1aipC46tDG5pAQEWBAQAjqYH4ykV7rtnkcTGTz36YYNlWRzh8itF /h2ZVvA6pu7fmqTQJevLmg7u8Tak8v1RWyuvHmjg4SWla96txGWY3m6gsY0H9HE9 +IfWZCIBrKRSXp6wta65/wXpnvnO8+Y86L94X20yiaRsGPMUOirQtG1nIl5RCkDK 0IMXWST0KYw= =UgTP -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Attachments open with a different name
Hello MFPA & everyone else, on 04-Jun-2006 at 20:53 you (MFPA) wrote: > When I open an attachment it opens with a different name to that > displayed in the message below its icon. It depends on your configuration. If you store the attachments in the message body, the attachment must be extracted from the messagebase and saved as a temporary file before opening it. Thats the "different name" you're seeing. If you select to store attachments separately, the attachement can be opened directly. If you receive multiple messages with the same attachment, the filename will still not match the attachment, because in that case, TB adds a number to the filename to distinguish between the different attachments from different messages. > I know this is trivial but it is an irritation if you open an > attachment before saving it. > I have reported this at https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5901 I don't think it is directly a bug. TB must deal with the temporary files somehow. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) NP: "Rhythmism 4" by Ubar Tmar (from the 1998 album "True") Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Attachments open with a different name
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hi On Sunday 4 June 2006 at 8:09:05 PM, in , Mary Bull wrote: > Hello MFPA! > On Sunday, June 04, 2006, 1:53 PM, you wrote: >> When I open an attachment it opens with a different name to that >> displayed in the message below its icon. > Confirmed. >> I know this is trivial but it is an irritation if you open an >> attachment before saving it. > I agree. >> I have reported this at https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5901 > Just now put a confirming note there. Thank you. - -- Best regards, MFPA I'll tell you what's the matter! This parrot is dead! Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.2.2 Comment: "" iQCVAwUBRIMyS6ipC46tDG5pAQHnZQQAxHIfd/ziV8UHPc9/rpeA5JZGKofbDD8P NpaDBU2jpgnu83NeEUt7/Bo5SQCYn+ewpEJ/cPvyVD3d/yjieYYSMbnrQn7/UEH3 XgNZJG7PAjXmwCs8XeG9oY+gmheitueUPX2VT3LyYHHe44P27NXVmlXf67tU2YL/ Rl3WlfOCYt8= =ht+R -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Attachments open with a different name
Hello MFPA! On Sunday, June 04, 2006, 1:53 PM, you wrote: > When I open an attachment it opens with a different name to that > displayed in the message below its icon. Confirmed. > I know this is trivial but it is an irritation if you open an > attachment before saving it. I agree. > I have reported this at https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5901 Just now put a confirming note there. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
