Re: Filter questions/problems

2004-09-10 Thread Sander van den Berg
On 8-9-2004, 17:22, Sander van den Berg wrote:

SvdB> I have some questions and a problem concerning the NFS.
:pacsnip:

In two days not a single reply... :boohoo:

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Re: Filter questions/problems

2004-09-10 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Sander van den Berg & everyone else

10-Sep-2004 11:21, you wrote:

SvdB>> I have some questions and a problem concerning the NFS.

> In two days not a single reply... :boohoo:

:-)

...the NFS is currently discussed a *lot* on the beta mailinglist. The v3
release version had bugs which are currently being resolved one after the
other.

As for you suggestion of "address book group" selection, I'd say that
should be formed into a feature request (its a useful idea, indeed).

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Re: Filter questions/problems

2004-09-10 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Sander,

On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 17:22:11 +0200GMT (8-9-2004, 17:22 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

SVD> Recently I upgraded from v2.12 to v3.0 (I never used beta
SVD> versions). Now I suspect the conversion of my old filters to the
SVD> NFS went not as it should.

You're not the only one with that problem. v3's conversion went rather
well, but that's not the same as totally flawless on all systems.
Furthermore some filters (especially the more complex ones) acted a
bit different than what might have been expected. However on the beta
list we see a lot of improvement. (And every now and then a bit of
regression.)

SVD> It seems some messages get filtered based on a rule which I
SVD> already altered before the upgrade. I cannot verify which filter
SVD> rule it uses, it concerns a "Read messages" filter and apparently
SVD> these aren't logged.

Currently your only option seems is to check your read filters one by
one whether they could have caused your problems. Especially for vread
filters this should be easy, because of them being converted with
their source folder present. (I think to remember something like that,
don't use read filters myself)

Checking your filters won't hurt anyway. After the upgrade I've done
some weeding on filters that I didn't use anymore. (unsubbed mailing
lists and so on) and done some re-sculpting of filters using the
possibilities of the NFS (no more 'dot in headers and sender in AB
group', but only 'sender in AB group')

SVD> This leads to my second question:
SVD> The incoming mail filter actions are logged in the account log. But is it
SVD> not possible to log all the other kinds of filter actions (read, sent, etc.)
SVD> as well?

I think that would be a nice feature

SVD> I am using The Bat! about 4.5 years now and my filter collection has become
SVD> quite large. Sometimes I am puzzled which filter it is using, then a logfile
SVD> would be helpful.

Another option would be to regularly check your sorting office,
carefully fine tuning it and cutting dead wood. I'm doing that at
least twice a year and generally I know what filter caught a message
when I'm seeing something unexpected. I guess that's because I strive
to keep my filters as simple as possible, and I keep my 86 incoming
filters structured together, first mailing lists, then AB groups the
the rest and I try to keep them mutually exclusive, so the sequence
doesn't matter a lot. (Totally mutually exclusive can't be done, since
I've got some contacts in multiple AB groups and I've got filters for
almost all of them.)

SVD> Third question (also about the NFS):
SVD> When using "Address groups" in a filter rule, is manually typing the name of
SVD> the group the only way to select it? In the old filter system you could just
SVD> select it from a dialog box. And what if I want to select multiple groups?
SVD> Do I type "Group1+Group2" or "Group1,Group2" or ... ?

Multiple groups should be done as: bsv+bsvbestuur+bsvintern+bsvextern
I've checked this by reverting to an older version of TB (still using
the OFS) created a new filter with multiple AB groups, moved my
account.srb (NFS file) to a save location, upgraded back and checked
the new filter. I guess that would be a way to create them. ;-) Create
a new old filter convert it, paste the filter to a text editor, close
TB, restore the account.srb open TB and paste your new filter from the
text editor.
I suppose typing the handles is easier.

SVD> Lot of questions... I hope you can help me.

Not really.

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Re: Filter questions/problems

2004-09-10 Thread Mic Cullen
On Friday, September 10, 2004 @ 6:57:21 PM, Roelof Otten wrote:

[snips]

SVD>> Recently I upgraded from v2.12 to v3.0 (I never used beta
SVD>> versions). Now I suspect the conversion of my old filters to the
SVD>> NFS went not as it should.

Roelof> You're not the only one with that problem. v3's conversion went rather
Roelof> well, but that's not the same as totally flawless on all systems.

Yes :-)

Roelof> Furthermore some filters (especially the more complex ones) acted a
Roelof> bit different than what might have been expected.

FWIW, I ended up deleting all my old filters and rebuilding everything, as it
was easier than stuffing around with the old ones and fixing the problems
caused by conversion. I used the opportunity to reorganise my filter structure
using the new sub-filters, so I managed to justify it a bit that way...

Roelof>  However on the beta list we see a lot of improvement. (And every now
Roelof> and then a bit of regression.)

And, at times, bizarre behaviour where the filters work when you go to bed,
and don't when you get up. Hard to troubleshoot that :-) I've rebuilt filters
several times (identically) to get them to work again.

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