Re: TB vs. PMMail
On Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:15:47 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the filter rule, create your source and destination folders, insert your first search string under the 'filter strings' dialog. For the other strings you need to check for, go to the Alternative's tab and using the 'Add Set' key, you may enter as many alternative filter strings as you like. nnn The above procedure will filter all 30 friends to the same nnn destination folder, not 30 different destination folders? Correct. :-) -- -=A. Curtis Martin=- [TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1] PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Never say, Oops!; always say, Ah, interesting! " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TB vs. PMMail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Wednesday, August 09, 2000, 2:38:05 PM, Curtis wrote: KP Found this. Why would one select text and *not* want this to happen by KP default? Why the special keystroke? Ask Steve Lamb about this. He was the main voice of reason behind your question. :-) Voice of reason? I'll have to remember that. KP What kinds of things are you doing in TB that PMMail lacks? Threading. The folder sorting is adjustable on a per folder basis. I'd kill to not have to remove flagging and having to adjust the size of the columns for every folder. The editor is a big plus for me: I'm able to reformat quoted text on the fly, even ones with complex quote prefixes. TB! also never reflows text on sending which is very useful. PMMails WYSIWYG option is really shoddy compared to this. I'm able to adjust how I select text blocks in different ways. On the status bar of the editor, right click the word 'stream' and you'll be offered other ways of selecting text blocks. Try them. :-) Nah, I'd rather have vim. Oh, , ouch, that external editor thing strikes again. Filtering in TB! has more to offer than PMMail. Take a good look through those options. I'm not saying that TB! will do everything that PMMail will do with filtering either. *cough*bullpoo*cough* Filtering on TB! is very, VERY messy and lacking compared to PMMail. - -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. - ---+- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOZHWt3pf7K2LbpnFEQLGCwCgnP52ZwBt3ocDY23TZtGoxO9jOoMAoPRu jFhCG09YF3obVbIK9oMGNZac =6TCz -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TB vs. PMMail
On Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:38:05 -0500, Curtis wrote: OK, what you should do is go into the account properties and delete the templates there. From then on, any new folder that you create will have no templates defined. I think a large part of my problem is the sparse and inconsistent help (admittedly a problem with many programs). Is this another case of an undocumented feature? I have a single filter for about 30 of my friends and a few others for others who send messages often enough to deserve a folder each. I filter on sender name. All work perfectly. shrug Cool, I'd love to simplify my huge filter list like this. How does such a filter look in TB? I don't know what your problem is. Are you familiar with the 'active' and 'manual only' options in the filter rule configuration dialogs? What settings do you use? From a later posting, I gather that Active means full-text match, when I thought it meant the filter could be temporarily disabled without deleting it by unchecking Active. I dislike creating filters this way because it's inefficient in terms of creating too many filter rules and also it disregards the importance of the order of the filters. Agreed. down. I suspect that the filter rules for your friend may be occurring below the spam filter in your filter set and hence the spam filter is catching them first. No, I checked for that. The spam filter was at the bottom of the list. I think the Active setting is what was biting me. But if you have to drill down to do filter tweaking the purpose of the filter builder is defeated isn't it? Yeah. The advantage to the builder is in the modality of the regular filter dialog (which is part of an account's properties), preventing me from inspecting messages to build a filter from. I think TB doesn't have this problem. Threading. The folder sorting is adjustable on a per folder basis. Interesting. Using templates EXTENSIVELY. They are really POWERFUL once you can use them to your advantage. I suspected this, but poor documentation limits my use as yet. I'm thinking I'll lurk the list here to pick up the undocumented tricks before I re-attempt using TB. I'm able to reformat quoted text on the fly, even ones with complex quote prefixes. TB! also never reflows text on sending which is very useful. PMMails WYSIWYG option is really shoddy compared to this. I'm able to adjust how I select text blocks in different ways. On the status bar of the editor, right click the word 'stream' and you'll be offered other ways of selecting text blocks. Try them. :-) Again, didn't see how to do this, and found its absence really frustrating. It's something that's on the RMB context menu in the Xnews newsreader, which doubled my frustration with TB. Again, something to remember at the next trial after lurking a bit. I'm able to colour code messages after selecting them or using filters This looked interesting, but I never tried it. Quoted text having a different colour from unquoted text is a real visual enhancement that I much appreciate. Another item from Xnews that I find lacking in PMMail. which I'm leaving out ... ah yes.. like cookies. Not a necessity by any I know what a browser cookie is, but not an email cookie. Filtering in TB! has more to offer than PMMail. Take a good look through those options. It looked promising, but I didn't see how different tabs related to each other. PMMail uses a choice of either some simple canned predicates presented as fields in a dialog or the ability to use a relatively simple predicate language to create more elaborate tests. BTW, PMMail comes with a doc giving a few tips on slick things that aren't documented, and reading this first really leverages a first-time user's experience during evaluation. TB really needs something like this to sell among power users with little time to perform an extensive eval. Ken mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sewingwitch.com/ken/ http://www.harrybrowne2000.org/ Kill the Carnivore! http://www.lp.org/action/carnivore/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TB vs. PMMail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Wednesday, August 09, 2000, 4:51:12 PM, Kenneth wrote: I think a large part of my problem is the sparse and inconsistent help (admittedly a problem with many programs). Is this another case of an undocumented feature? Well, given that regex aren't even mentioned in the index, I'd say yes. Point there, for Marck since he is being an ignorant twit today, is that if a rich feature is omitted from the overall index and, at best, given lip service then chances are the lesser features are completely forgotten. Cool, I'd love to simplify my huge filter list like this. How does such a filter look in TB? Compared to PMMail with its complex filters? Horrible. - -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. - ---+- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOZH2h3pf7K2LbpnFEQIsLACgxq3U/F5ZTwxnDa8tYyQvmrb1zG0AnRf0 w63SsWEIlzVlFoxqgX3fdRe7 =h+Py -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TB vs. PMMail
On Wed, 09 Aug 2000 16:51:12 -0700, Kenneth Porter wrote: KP I think a large part of my problem is the sparse and inconsistent KP help (admittedly a problem with many programs). Is this another case KP of an undocumented feature? TB! is features are poorly documented. This is a well established consensus opinion among all users and Ritlabs as well. Ritlabs is small and Russian. The size and the language barrier has been a problem. At present their trying to find a professional writer to properly document the features. Most of what I've learnt is from rigorous trial and error and learning as I go along. The two more significant challenges were to master the templates and also to understand the filtering and how to maximize on it, (short of using Regexp's). :-) I have a single filter for about 30 of my friends and a few others for others who send messages often enough to deserve a folder each. I filter on sender name. All work perfectly. shrug KP Cool, I'd love to simplify my huge filter list like this. How does such KP a filter look in TB? For the filter rule, create your source and destination folders, insert your first search string under the 'filter strings' dialog. For the other strings you need to check for, go to the Alternative's tab and using the 'Add Set' key, you may enter as many alternative filter strings as you like. KP From a later posting, I gather that Active means full-text match, when KP I thought it meant the filter could be temporarily disabled without KP deleting it by unchecking Active. What you thought *is* what it means AFAIK. 'Manual only' prevents the filter from running automatically. down. I suspect that the filter rules for your friend may be occurring below the spam filter in your filter set and hence the spam filter is catching them first. KP No, I checked for that. The spam filter was at the bottom of the list. KP I think the Active setting is what was biting me. OK. Threading. The folder sorting is adjustable on a per folder basis. KP Interesting. Using templates EXTENSIVELY. They are really POWERFUL once you can use them to your advantage. KP I suspected this, but poor documentation limits my use as yet. I'm KP thinking I'll lurk the list here to pick up the undocumented tricks KP before I re-attempt using TB. Template usage are the least documented and yet the most versatile. Just a hint on their use is in the help ad well as a complete list of the various macros and what they do. I'm able to reformat quoted text on the fly, even ones with complex quote prefixes. TB! also never reflows text on sending which is very useful. PMMails WYSIWYG option is really shoddy compared to this. I'm able to adjust how I select text blocks in different ways. On the status bar of the editor, right click the word 'stream' and you'll be offered other ways of selecting text blocks. Try them. :-) KP Again, didn't see how to do this, and found its absence really KP frustrating. It's something that's on the RMB context menu in the KP Xnews newsreader, which doubled my frustration with TB. Again, KP something to remember at the next trial after lurking a bit. Again, trial and error and inspecting all menu options etc. Clicking on all areas, right clicking etc. to see what happens. I'm able to colour code messages after selecting them or using filters KP This looked interesting, but I never tried it. It's nice once you have it and after a while you pretty much are addicted. which I'm leaving out ... ah yes.. like cookies. Not a necessity by any KP I know what a browser cookie is, but not an email cookie. Notice how my signature has a new tagline each time. That's TB! randomly extracting a line of text from a remote text file. You may define a cookie macro anywhere and any number of times in the templates. My farewells in other templates of mine are cookie based. Filtering in TB! has more to offer than PMMail. Take a good look through those options. KP It looked promising, but I didn't see how different tabs related to KP each other. PMMail uses a choice of either some simple canned KP predicates presented as fields in a dialog or the ability to use a KP relatively simple predicate language to create more elaborate tests. KP BTW, PMMail comes with a doc giving a few tips on slick things that KP aren't documented, and reading this first really leverages a KP first-time user's experience during evaluation. TB really needs KP something like this to sell among power users with little time to KP perform an extensive eval. Can PMMail filter messages according to their age, size and other similar distinguishing features? -- -=A.C. Martin=-[TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1] PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Oxymoron: Sweet sorrow. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list
Re: TB vs. PMMail
On Wed, 9 Aug 2000 19:42:26 -0500, Curtis wrote: Can PMMail filter messages according to their age, size and other similar distinguishing features? I don't see those offhand as separate language items, but I do see PROGRAM. This takes a path to a program and invokes that program with the name of the MSG file and a path to a results file. The contents of the results file is then compared to the string in the filter. One can specify whether or not an exact match (vs. a partial string) is used, and whether the comparison is case-sensitive. Ken mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sewingwitch.com/ken/ http://www.harrybrowne2000.org/ Kill the Carnivore! http://www.lp.org/action/carnivore/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
