Re: problem about list
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Marck! On Sunday, June 24, 2001 at 2:31:53 PM you wrote: DB but now every msg is addressed only TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I can confirm this. I have asked Syafril to get this back but I don't know if he can. It's because of a change to the list routing and I, for one, don't like it! :-(. While writing this I see TO: Marck D. Pearlstone [EMAIL PROTECTED]. - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.53d on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Die meisten Leute machen sich selbst bloß durch übertriebene Forderungen an das Schicksal unzufrieden. (Wilhelm von Humboldt) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBOzXjUPTo1oA8g8dLEQLV2QCbBSkPL2p35CaF4QnSmfGtL3CpGhIAoKJx we+1tQaryXwg1lXJsa/GulwB =5Dd9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: problem about list
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Dierk, On 24 June 2001 at 15:55:43 +0200 (which was 14:55 where I live) Dierk Haasis wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these points: I can confirm this. I have asked Syafril to get this back but I don't know if he can. It's because of a change to the list routing and I, for one, don't like it! :-(. DH While writing this I see TO: Marck D. Pearlstone DH [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Yes, of course you do. The server can't reach out and change the message in your TB editor, can it? The problem occurs when the message is resent from the server to the list members. The To header is changed and the real name is stripped from it. This is different to how it used to work. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / v1.53/iKey1000( 55238-48F0B) on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: GPG Sealed for freshness iD8DBQE7NfdmOeQkq5KdzaARAvnCAKD+rNxLIEKYZRK0c6FMKbqmgFZ+VgCfcv0t fK7Tgs2iTjmtIh6ZajQppf4= =d9th -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: problem about list
Hello Listers, On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, at 15:21:25 [GMT +0100] (which was 16:21 where I live) Marck wrote: MDP The problem occurs when the message is resent from the server to MDP the list members. The To header is changed and the real name is MDP stripped from it. This is different to how it used to work. I see know. And yes, I can confirm. I see right while writing this. You see wrong while reading. -- Chema Berian mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Spanish GDUTB Moderator Suscriptions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.53bis on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 TB Tip of the Moment: You can drag files from the Windows Explorer into the messages you create or into The Bat! main window to attach the files to an outgoing message. PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: problem about list
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Marck! On Sunday, June 24, 2001 at 4:21:25 PM you wrote: Yes, of course you do. The server can't reach out and change the message in your TB editor, can it? The problem occurs when the message is resent from the server to the list members. The To header is changed and the real name is stripped from it. This is different to how it used to work. OK, now I understand, when I get your message, you are in the FROM header. When I now hit Reply, your name is chosen from this field (FROM) and inserted into the TO header, so my template can use it. But, since the sender's name nonetheless reaches me and can be used, where exactly is the problem with it disappearing on the server? Or may I don't understand it, because I tend to read all messages, not just the ones from specific senders? - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.53d on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Ein Berater ist jemand, der 49 Liebespositionen kennt, aber kein einziges Mädchen. (Kasimir M. Magyar) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBOzX6NPTo1oA8g8dLEQItAACg3uZOBOo8/B2nQH+5ApF8CDpDp30AoKAw /z/IpeSsdw/y72d5vGlmgbAs =q6IH -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: problem about list
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Chema! On Sunday, June 24, 2001 at 4:42:55 PM you wrote: I see know. And yes, I can confirm. I see right while writing this. You see wrong while reading. When I read your message I saw who wrote it (you), but not to whose message your answer was written. But I can't see that it is wrong, because a mailing list is inherently public (well, closed public to be precise). So everybody is addressed by a message, as you make clear through your template, which uses even for replies the addressing Hello Listers. Mine on the other hand uses the original senders first name, so everybody can identify to whose mail my answer is written. Which is actually often wrong since I sometimes reply to a posting deep in a thread even if I answer the original question - comes from the old Usenet habit to read all postings before making a fool of oneself. ;-) - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.53d on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C If you think that thinking the earth is spherical is just as wrong as thinking the earth is flat, then your view is wronger than both of them put together. (Isaac Asimov) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBOzX7b/To1oA8g8dLEQL4ZwCgte2Fbv3sw7P+YjOv1jukwy6TTZwAn071 Q/nDfL77IeKGa7E2+FzXyg6q =G+mo -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: problem about list
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Dierk, On 24 June 2001 at 17:33:23 +0200 (which was 16:33 where I live) Dierk Haasis wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these points: DH where exactly is the problem with it disappearing on the server? In that, where people don't use detailed attribution (like I have above) or threading (not everyone uses thread by reference) or initial quoting, there's no other way of seeing to whom they are replying. For instance, look at your message (to which this is a reply). The only way an onlooker can see that it is a reply to me is that you have said Hello Marck at the top. The 'To' real name munging that many of us like to engage in has a real point when an answer is *to* an individual within a public list. As you pointed out to Peter, his replies have even less attribution :-). - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / v1.53/iKey1000( 55238-48F0B) on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: GPG Sealed for freshness iD8DBQE7Ng5jOeQkq5KdzaARAguQAJ49JbUwiY1/JZDw7f3FsxvN/aZIywCfdVxd 3F5oP6AH7Fujl2oT0BWYN8A= =yANy -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: problem about list
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, June 24, 2001, at 9:01:12 AM PDT, Deniz Baygan wrote: DB see: http://pink.glowingeyes.net/old.jpg (which we prefer) DB Isn't it much better to see who replied who? DB and also see: http://pink.glowingeyes.net/new.jpg DB To section is ripped off and only listaddress remains. Hello Deniz, I agree - I much prefer the way it used to be. It seems the switch took place between the 19th and 20th. I hope the original format can somehow be restored. Melissa - -- PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=PGP_Keys_8Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Personal Security 7.0.3 iQA/AwUBOzYSRI1W11L7BPLpEQJ4uQCg5P/lyOacr85bBmT8daBqM77uYOYAn3ai UjFBqEaJrcwC8grIpzvELklV =eUDE -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: problem about list
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Marck! On Sunday, June 24, 2001 at 5:59:30 PM you wrote: As you pointed out to Peter, his replies have even less attribution :-). Well, I can see where the difficulties come in (i.e. I just had a look for the messages I sent myself, which are automatically trashed and colour coded). BTW, wasn't it Chema's message your last sentence refers to? - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.53d on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C A great truth is a truth whose opposite is also a great truth. (Niels Bohr) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBOzYJl/To1oA8g8dLEQKt3QCfejFYQkV2AxJeKGONXvU/FwgN1TwAoL4b kab3YpAfEILUQ5CBDWT7qbXM =ivpx -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: problem about list
Hello Dierk, On Sun, 24 Jun 2001 17:38:38 +0200 GMT (24/06/2001, 23:38 +0800 GMT), Dierk Haasis wrote: When I read your message I saw who wrote it (you), but not to whose message your answer was written. But I can't see that it is wrong, Tis is a matter of philosophy, and a number of people on this list post without any real name before the TBUDL lsit address. However, for those who choose to write Dierk Haasis on TBUDL, whihc is what I prefer, the list server shouldn't interfer, unless it is a list rule (which it isn't here). Having said that, tomorrow is a holiday in many parts of Asia (Dragon Boat Festival), but I don't know about Indonesia. So, if we don't hear from Syafril within tomorrow, I suggest everybody just be patient for another day. ;-) comes from the old Usenet habit to read all postings before making a fool of oneself. ;-) You read all postings first, and then make a fool of yourself afterwards? Good habit, I agree. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. -I'm not going deaf. I'm ignoring you. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.53d under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: problem about list
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 24 Jun 2001 23:58:49 +0800, Thomas contributed this to our collective wisdom: ... TF Tis is a matter of philosophy, and a number of people on this list TF post without any real name before the TBUDL lsit address. I'm one of those. The address auto-completion is now a lot nicer since it doesn't auto-complete names to list addresses as a side effect of putting real names in front of list addresses. :-) - -- ©Allie C. Martin List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) Using SecureBat! (v1.53bis/iKey1000) [OS: Windows 2000 (Service Pack 2)] - 'Originality is the art of concealing your sources.' __ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: Get my Public Key here - http://key.ac-martin.com iEYEARECAAYFAjs2a1QACgkQV8nrYCsHF+JqLACg+2F1gPI5dfXcdpLCuteoI8jM UZ8An1VMznG4cfIPUpwK6JeEZUzJjwHL =rCFC -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
