Re: problem about list

[A Curtis Martin]

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On Sun, 24 Jun 2001 23:58:49 +0800, Thomas contributed this to our
collective wisdom:
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TF> Tis is a matter of philosophy, and a number of people on this list
TF> post without any "real name" before the TBUDL lsit address.

I'm one of those. The address auto-completion is now a lot nicer since it
doesn't auto-complete names to list addresses as a side effect of putting
real names in front of list addresses. :-)

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Re: problem about list

[Thomas F]

Hello Dierk,

On Sun, 24 Jun 2001 17:38:38 +0200 GMT (24/06/2001, 23:38 +0800 GMT),
Dierk Haasis wrote:

> When I read your message I saw who wrote it (you), but not to whose
> message your answer was written. But I can't see that it is wrong,

Tis is a matter of philosophy, and a number of people on this list
post without any "real name" before the TBUDL lsit address. However,
for those who choose to write "Dierk Haasis on TBUDL", whihc is what I
prefer, the list server shouldn't interfer, unless it is a list rule
(which it isn't here).

Having said that, tomorrow is a holiday in many parts of Asia (Dragon
Boat Festival), but I don't know about Indonesia. So, if we don't hear
from Syafril within tomorrow, I suggest everybody just be patient for
another day. ;-)

> comes from the old Usenet habit to read all postings before making a
> fool of oneself. ;-)

You read all postings first, and then make a fool of yourself
afterwards? Good habit, I agree. ;-)

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Re: problem about list

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello Marck!

On Sunday, June 24, 2001 at 5:59:30 PM you wrote:

> As you pointed out to Peter, his replies have even less attribution
> :-).

Well, I can see where the difficulties come in (i.e. I just had a look
for the messages I sent myself, which are automatically trashed and
colour coded).

BTW, wasn't it Chema's message your last sentence refers to?


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Re: problem about list

[Melissa Reese]

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On Sunday, June 24, 2001, at 9:01:12 AM PDT, Deniz Baygan wrote:

DB> see: http://pink.glowingeyes.net/old.jpg (which we prefer)
DB> Isn't it much better to see who replied who?
DB> and also see: http://pink.glowingeyes.net/new.jpg
DB> To section is ripped off and only listaddress remains.

Hello Deniz,

I agree - I much prefer the way it used to be.  It seems the switch took
place between the 19th and 20th.  I hope the original format can somehow
be restored.

Melissa
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Re: problem about list

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Dierk,

On 24 June 2001 at  17:33:23 +0200 (which was 16:33 where I live)
Dierk Haasis wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these points:

DH> where exactly is the problem with it disappearing on the server?

In that, where people don't use detailed attribution (like I have
above) or threading (not everyone uses "thread by reference") or
initial quoting, there's no other way of seeing to whom they are
replying.

For instance, look at your message (to which this is a reply). The
only way an onlooker can see that it is a reply to me is that you have
said "Hello Marck" at the top. The 'To' real name "munging" that many
of us like to engage in has a real point when an answer is *to* an
individual within a public list.

As you pointed out to Peter, his replies have even less attribution
:-).

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Re: problem about list

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello Chema!

On Sunday, June 24, 2001 at 4:42:55 PM you wrote:

>  I  see know. And yes, I can confirm. I see right while writing this.
>  You see wrong while reading.

When I read your message I saw who wrote it (you), but not to whose
message your answer was written. But I can't see that it is wrong,
because a mailing list is inherently public (well, closed public to be
precise). So everybody is addressed by a message, as you make clear
through your template, which uses even for replies the addressing
"Hello Listers". Mine on the other hand uses the original senders
first name, so everybody can identify to whose mail my answer is
written. Which is actually often wrong since I sometimes reply to a
posting deep in a thread even if I answer the original question - comes
from the old Usenet habit to read all postings before making a fool of
oneself. ;-)



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Re: problem about list

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello Marck!

On Sunday, June 24, 2001 at 4:21:25 PM you wrote:

> Yes, of course you do. The server can't reach out and change the
> message in your TB editor, can it?

> The problem occurs when the message is resent from the server to the
> list members. The "To" header is changed and the real name is stripped
> from it. This is different to how it used to work.

OK, now I understand, when I get your message, you are in the FROM
header. When I now hit Reply, your name is chosen from this field
(FROM) and inserted into the TO header, so my template can use it.

But, since the sender's name nonetheless reaches me and can be used,
where exactly is the problem with it disappearing on the server? Or
may I don't understand it, because I tend to read all messages, not
just the ones from specific senders?



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Re: problem about list

[Chema Berian]

Hello Listers, 

On  Sun, 24 Jun 2001, at 15:21:25 [GMT +0100] (which was 16:21 where I
live) Marck wrote:

MDP> The  problem occurs when the message is resent from the server to
MDP> the list members. The "To" header is changed and the real name is
MDP> stripped from it. This is different to how it used to work.

 I  see know. And yes, I can confirm. I see right while writing this.
 You see wrong while reading.

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Re: problem about list

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Dierk,

On 24 June 2001 at  15:55:43 +0200 (which was 14:55 where I live)
Dierk Haasis wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these points:

>> I can confirm this. I have asked Syafril to get this back but I don't
>> know if he can. It's because of a change to the list routing and I,
>> for one, don't like it! :-(.

DH> While writing this I see "TO: Marck D. Pearlstone
DH> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>".

Yes, of course you do. The server can't reach out and change the
message in your TB editor, can it?

The problem occurs when the message is resent from the server to the
list members. The "To" header is changed and the real name is stripped
from it. This is different to how it used to work.

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Re: problem about list

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello Marck!

On Sunday, June 24, 2001 at 2:31:53 PM you wrote:

DB>> but now every msg is addressed only TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> I can confirm this. I have asked Syafril to get this back but I don't
> know if he can. It's because of a change to the list routing and I,
> for one, don't like it! :-(.

While writing this I see "TO: Marck D. Pearlstone
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>".


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